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[nyrocron]

 

variobunz wrote...

Is this a kinda confirmation of an ending-DLC?

 

Could also be pre-ending DLC that explains some stuff.. but real ending-DLC would be much nicer obviously.

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Dein Justin]

aw shucks..
The Doctor has spoken! and I was just about to plan more playthroughs...but if all I get for about 75 hours of combined ME trilogy gameplay is some rainbow-colored ending..sigh~...the numerous possibilities! dark energy! some higher power than the Reapers! Cerberus secrets! Lost extinct civilization with Jamaican accents!...

...all of that, to be continued in upcoming ME universe games...

[creiGn]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

****...Irrational Games(BioShock) and Mythic(Warhammer) are standing behind BioWare and their ending....They said also that fans shouldn't force BioWare to change the ending.

That's a pitty if they really think that way. If they consider video games as a form of art, they should be open to constructive criticism. Telling "mind your own damn bussiness and don't tell me what to do with MY game" won't cut it.

I wouldn't call the people with this arrogant attitude artists. They should be open-minded and listen to what their fans are saying. That attitude surely won't do any good except pissing people off. The people WHO REALLY CARES about their game.

They should be appreciating us, not telling us to mind our own bussiness. We were, and will be, the ones who pre-ordered, who bought collector's editions, who bought merchandise, who really supported this damn company.

I don't know if they will ever make this right but i'm certain that i'm not going to buy future Bioware products if they keep this attitude. I'm buying every single CE versions of this series and all i got back is this arrogant attitude.

[Kanon777]

Once more he said nothing on the subject, the indoc theory is not really reliable anymore guys.

They are surprised at how people disliked the ending of the game and had no plans (until now) to do anything about it

[greywardencommander]

Redbelle wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Which came first. The Reaper or the indoctrination? Cause we're all operating under the assumption that Reaper's invented indoctrination. What if indoctrination caused the creation of the Reapers?

Each Reaper is many minds and the DNA of a species. Many minds implies multiple personailties, but they are all united in the Reaper agenda? Sounds like the Reaper may itself be indoctrinated to its own agenda.

In the arrival DLC the holo of Harbinger seemed to contain what looked like a brain. Could be wrong but if this is case Reapers themselves are under the thrall of the signal they carry.

Just a thought.

mind -> blown

Further to this theory.... the catalyst. Here is the dictionary definition:

1. (Chemistry) a substance that increases
the rate of a chemical reaction without itself suffering any permanent
chemical change
2. a person or thing that causes a change

Now in my humble opinion the citadel doesn't deserve to be called a catalyst because nothing happened till Shepard made something happen. In that way Shep is the catalyst. If we accept indoc theory then the battle shep is waging against indoc may be the cornerstone of the ending. If he succumbs the reapers win, if he wins the Reapers are faced with a person who has the mental conditioning to use the crucible/citadel to beam that conditioining into the Reaper mind, thereby freeing the minds in the Reapers and eliminating the compulsion to harvest advanced races.

I knew the definition and also the crucibel
'1. [/b]A vessel made of a refractory substance such as graphite or porcelain, used for melting and calcining materials at high temperatures (which is what made me originally think the crucible was a place for them to harvest the bodies)
2. A severe test, as of patience or belief; a trial (made me think the indoctrination theory/hallucination idea was true
3. A place, time, or situation characterized by the confluence of powerful intellectual, social, economic, or political forces (the welding of Shepard and the Reapers)
So I guess Shepard COULD be the catalyst and the reason control is the ending is because he 'frees' the reapers from their own indoctrination (indoctrinated by the starchild) but if he is that needed to have been explained, perhaps by the Starchild 'don't you see, you are the catalyst'
also as that could explain why it's the Paragon ending (though doesn't understand why TIM represents it)

[chkchkchk]

Back on topic,  I'm still wondering if anyone can shed light on this:

chkchkchk wrote...
Watch the "breath" scene and note the smooth curved structure in the background.  (Keep your eyes on the purple misty part.)  Is that something we've seen before?  If we can locate that in London, we've got good evidence.  If that's something we've seen on the Citadel, we might be in trouble.

[Gernbuster]

[quote]variobunz wrote...

Either way, BioWare sure gots peoples imagination going. Just as Mr Hudson predicted.
[/quote]


I think, the ending we got so far has a purpose. They had the indoctrination idea, but ran out of time, so they produced an ending which can either be interpretated as the final one OR if they want to invest some more money in ME3 as just a stop on a longer DLC journey.
Their main fault was to underastimate us, Shepard-fans and the whole ME comunity itsself.
HOLD THE LINE![/quote]

If BW really ran out of time for the real ending, it would be no problem to do it now, right?

[/quote] Yes, absolutely. If my Theorie is right, they definitly discuss about it. The main problem I see, may be the consequences. Many people would still feel betrayed by Bioware and won t believe, that it was a plan or at least the idea behind it. On the other hand the news are focusing more and more on whats going on. Now we suddenly got these stupid discussions about art, moral, etc.
It will take some more time till they will find a solution and I bet on DLC or Add-On. If not Biowares image would get harmed more and more. They will definitly sell less in future and they can skip their comics and films they are planing.
" U can lose the trust of the people in less then a second, but it takes years to earn. "
They know it and I am pretty sure they are thinking about Biowares future.
As long as we are fighting their fear is rising.
HOLD THE LINE my international comrades!

[Rifneno]

greywardencommander wrote...

to be honest trying to claim it is the cable is every bit as difficult as trying to claim it's concrete in London, if is the citadel HOW the hell did Shepard survive, I mean come on the place has been blown to smithereens (it's only in the destroy one after all) and you've entered the atmosphere WITHOUT a helmet to even breathe (don't get me started on not needing a helmet to breathe on outside of Citadel when that's established in ME1) something that killed you in ME2.

And that's not even getting into how Shepard surviving atmospheric re-entry.  It's not exactly a big secret that the Earth's atmosphere isn't exactly organic-friendly.  If a satellite falls back down here, most of it will have ceased to be by the time it hits the ground (or ocean).  And that's a giant machine, not a human body.  If Shepard was on the Citadel, the few seconds after that rubble scene must be him struggling to hide the Superman costume he's wearing under his armor.  Ask NASA what the hardest part of space travel has been.  "Atmospheric reentry" will be the response, without hestitation.  We get pelted by 15,000 tons of meteorites a year and the reason we don't hear about the catastrophies that causes is because the atmosphere vaporizes almost all of it.  An unprotected human being surviving that?  Pauly Shore wouldn't do a movie about something that asinine.  And the company that gave us a sniper rifle that uses ferrofluids (the javelin is based on science, omg!) accidentally forgot about one of the most basic parts of space travel in their sci-fi fiction?  Sorry IT skeptics, not buying it.

[Red Starblazer]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Just wondering, has anypony considered, that if we are indoctrinated it will not simply go away by itself? Maybe BW is paying close attention to the forum and social media and is waiting for the right connections to be discovered. Maybe we have to resist the indoctrination in this way. Maybe we are playing the game right now…

Mass Inception? 0.o LEONARDO! WE NEED YOU!

this was something talking about earlier in the thread - the whole ending, the marketing, the entire lack of mods on the boards, the vague hints, the lack of straight answers everything is all about getting the player base convinced they're done and dusted.

The whole process goes beyond the game.

It was even stated by Casey Hudson they had found a way to make the players feel what the avatar in the game was feeling - seems like a pretty chunky piece of evidence right there personally.

It may be all about having hope agains impossible odds

I started writing them all down - but got distracted and lost the notes...but how many times through ME3 does it constantly remind you there is hope.

That there is a way out of the darkness.

Even Liara's vision right at the end is you and her in the darkness, with a light getting closer.

The whole game is telling you to keep hope no matter what. BioWare even came out on their twitter feeds and said - have faith.

I honestly believe the ending is not here yet - what we got was cobbled together quick smart to look like a real ending (the normandy crash, the reuse and recolouring of the videos etc) - with the real ending to come when we had all given up.

This.

Cannot agree with you more. The whole game and marketing is about hope. And we have to as a community do the same. It's bat **** crazy if you ask me but I'm loving every minute of it. 

I am right there with you guys. Its obvious that the whole thing is indoctrination, because its impossible for Bioware to write so badly. I mean they've had there slips up, who hasn't? But its down right impossible for them to be this bad and not know it or do something about it.

We were all indoctrinated. And some of us didn't make it. But for those of us who keep the faith, we will be rewarded.

Holding the Line.

[dorktainian]

Shep is indoctrinated.

We were indoctrinated.

''Take Back Earth'' - why when there is no way to do this?

Hold That Line.

Modifié par dorktainian, 21 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

If I was BioWare, I'd get everybody creating a DLC that confirms the indoc theory. This is really the only way they MIGHT be able to repair their image even a little bit.

[greywardencommander]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

If I was BioWare, I'd get everybody creating a DLC that confirms the indoc theory. This is really the only way they MIGHT be able to repair their image even a little bit.

and hire the person who first started the idea, that attention to detail in terms of lore, continuity and detail is something they can do with I'd wager...

Modifié par greywardencommander, 21 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

A guy in a german forum just pointed this out:

"the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3"

...CURRENT endings?

[nyrocron]

wow! nice find!

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Spectre-61]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

A guy in a german forum just pointed this out:

"the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3"

...CURRENT endings?

Link?

[nyrocron]

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Woot the Indoctrination Theory made it onto Forbes! www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/21/did-the-real-mass-effect-3-ending-go-over-everyones-heads/

[Erethrian]

Of course, the current endings were meant to be this way. That doesn't mean the indoctrination theory isn't true.

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[Spectre-61]

nyrocron wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Thanks.
"current ending" seems pretty clear, does it?

[Joukahainen]

[quote]chkchkchk wrote...
Watch the "breath" scene and note the smooth curved structure in the background.  (Keep your eyes on the purple misty part.)  Is that something we've seen before?  If we can locate that in London, we've got good evidence.  If that's something we've seen on the Citadel, we might be in trouble.[/quote]
[/quote]
Well i dont think that disproves our theory.. There is no way how Shepard could survive the explosion of the Citaled. And if Citaled somehow ended down to Earth with Shepard alive, it would just be space magic No way that Shepard could survive re-entry to Earth´s atmoshpere without any armour.

Hold the line!

[Sammuthegreat]

Can anyone point me to where, in that statement, Muzyka says in clear and simple terms, "the current endings are final, and were always our planned endings?"

Thought not.

This is just more meaningless double-speak. I'm still sticking with this.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 21 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[lex0r11]

guys, it's basically full of PR again.

i myself will keep discussing in this thread until news of DLC comes out of their mouths. plain simple announcement without PR.

wake up shepard and hold the line people.

[Erethrian]

Joukahainen wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

Watch the "breath" scene and note the smooth curved structure in the background.  (Keep your eyes on the purple misty part.)  Is that something we've seen before?  If we can locate that in London, we've got good evidence.  If that's something we've seen on the Citadel, we might be in trouble.

Well i dont think that disproves our theory.. There is no way how Shepard could survive the explosion of the Citaled. And if Citaled somehow ended down to Earth with Shepard alive, it would just be space magic No way that Shepard could survive re-entry to Earth´s atmoshpere without any armour.

Hold the line!

This, and:

"He defends the "current" endings because as I said before the actual game is "complete". The endings were meant to be this way. He simply says they never expected this reaction from us the fans. Notice that he says they'll explain things on April. He never says that there was nothing coming, he just says what he needs to say to calm down the outrage. We must hold the line with the Indoctrinaton theory and wait for April 6th! :)"

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[Sammuthegreat]

Further to the "Shepard can't be on the Citadel because it exploded" thing - we've already got a very strong precedent for BioWare demonstrating what happens to a human being when they go through atmospheric re-entry. It's called the beginning of ME2.

No way would they forget that. Even if Shep somehow did manage to survive a ridiculously large explosion of which he was at the epicentre, there's just no possible way he'd have survived the fall and re-entry. BioWare already showed that ain't possible.

[XTR3M3]

He says they are addressing this ending issue at BioWare now and there will be an announcement soon. I will give them the time to do that.

Whether or not I ever buy anything BioWare again including DLC depends on how they address the ending "problem".

Keep it constructive people so we have a chance to get the endings we were promised.