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[nighthawk132651]

Co founder or prodoucer of mass effect 3 said we need to wait intill april to hear more about the extened journy of mass effect 3 look. heres paragraph heres link http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/


Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey. You’ll hear more on this in April. We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received. This is in addition to our existing plan to continue providing new Mass Effect content and new full games, so rest assured that your journey in the Mass Effect universe can, and will, continue.

[FataliTensei]

I've seen threads popping up that Ray Muzykya said indoc is incorrect, is that right or is it just more trolls?

[Bubalo]

If the Indoc Theory is true I will gladly travel to Edmonton and bow in front of BioWare HQ

[Sammuthegreat]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Why April, why?

I am going to Japan at the end of the month and not back until April the 15.

I've been in Spain since last Sunday (18th March) and I won't be back in the UK till May 5th. So if any ending content is released in April (which would make sense - imagine how much publicity they'd get it they didn't just talk about the ending at PAX, but actually released it to coincide with their PAX appearance!) I still won't get to experience it for another month...

[Spectre-61]

FataliTensei wrote...

I've seen threads popping up that Ray Muzykya said indoc is incorrect, is that right or is it just more trolls?

Trolls.

Hold the line!

[Erethrian]

FataliTensei wrote...

I've seen threads popping up that Ray Muzykya said indoc is incorrect, is that right or is it just more trolls?

That's people who already hated the theory, nothing's been said about the IT.

[lex0r11]

guys, read the statement for yourself.

blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


P.S.
watch out for a phrase with "current ending" in it.

Modifié par lex0r11, 21 mars 2012 - 04:46 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Erethrian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Why April, why?

I am going to Japan at the end of the month and not back until April the 15.

Because of PAX.

I know, but that doesnt prevent me from argonizing about it <_<

[Turbotanden]

Btw
"Nothing's happening, the crucible is not firing. It's gotta be something on your end."
There is no action, no fire up, no sound. But when you come up the big beam is already activated?

[Erethrian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Why April, why?

I am going to Japan at the end of the month and not back until April the 15.

Because of PAX.

I know, but that doesnt prevent me from argonizing about it <_<

Hahaha, yeah... Well I'll think about you while playing the ending, then.

[Veggiesofmanycolors]

I think with Ray Muzyka's recent response this whole thread is now invalid and should be closed down.

[Rifneno]

FataliTensei wrote...

I've seen threads popping up that Ray Muzykya said indoc is incorrect, is that right or is it just more trolls?

Trolls, nothing more.

[Erethrian]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

I think with Ray Muzyka's recent response this whole thread is now invalid and should be closed down.

Please tell me where he says IT is not true and that this wasn't planned.

He states that they never expected this reactions and he tells us to wait 'til april, when they'll explain this.

The Indoctrination Theory hasn't been denied. ^^


Edit: Also, they're dealing with refunds and FTC complaints. I already expected a huge PR damage control statement of some sort because of this, which (again) doesn't mean that this is not true.

Modifié par Erethrian, 21 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Spectre-61]

Erethrian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Why April, why?

I am going to Japan at the end of the month and not back until April the 15.

Because of PAX.

I know, but that doesnt prevent me from argonizing about it <_<

Hahaha, yeah... Well I'll think about you while playing the ending, then.

Don't jinx it, man.

[Sammuthegreat]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

I think with Ray Muzyka's recent response this whole thread is now invalid and should be closed down.

Bye then.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

I think with Ray Muzyka's recent response this whole thread is now invalid and should be closed down.

Why? He never disproved of the Indoctrination theory (fromw hat i could see) and actually incouraged us to post our feelings about the ending and share it with others (which is what we are doing)

[Japse]

Hello everyone, I have never posted here and probably I will never post here again, but I just want to say, that many from the "silent majority" support this theory as well. :-) I will never buy any of Bioware or EA products again until the end will be reworked.
I salute you from the Czech republic.
Hold the line!

[Sammuthegreat]

Turbotanden wrote...

Btw
"Nothing's happening, the crucible is not firing. It's gotta be something on your end."
There is no action, no fire up, no sound. But when you come up the big beam is already activated?

Not sure what to make of this. There's certainly no sound, true.

When the cutscene plays, showing the Crucible moving into place and joining the Citadel, is there no beam there? I can't remember how the scene plays out.

EDIT: If the beam isn't there in the cutscene and it's just space magicked into existence despite Hackett saying nothing had happened, then this is a good catch. Unlikely to be the difference between people believe Indoc Theory or not, but a good catch nontheless.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 21 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[T16skyhopp]

Considering the endings are vague and purposefully open to interpretation, this theory will always be a valid interpretation whether or not Bioware intended it as truth. Art, and its meaning, does not solely rely on artistic intent. The viewpoints, interpretations and meaning of the viewer can be just as valid as that of the artist.

[Red Starblazer]

For all of you who still doubt the Indoc Theory, this video is probably the one that analysis it the best. At least that I've seen anyway.

[Unschuld]

Nothing has been flatly confirmed or denied yet. Sit tight. Easter is coming...

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

guys, read the statement for yourself.

blog.bioware.com/2012/03/21/4108/


P.S.
watch out for a phrase with "current ending" in it.

Nice catch!  I still think Bioware had something up their sleeves even before release.  So far, all they have been saying is that they didn't expect the fan response to the endings would be this negative.  However, perhaps what they mean by that is they didn't expect the death threats and other crazy buisiness that many people have been posting.  I don't think their writers could have come up with something this... this... ordinary for an ending.  It would not necessarily have been out of place in many other games.  However, I think the fans are so disappointed by the fact that the ME series isn't JUST another game series.  Up until this point, it has been so far beyond everything else that we just couldn't believe the endings could be that ordinary.  We expected something that would reflect our choices and give us closure.  Instead, we get something that is so painfully like something you might expect from any other series that we just CANNOT believe it is right.  The Bioware writers are just too good to do this.  Therefore, I am certain that, as they have said before I might add, we have not seen the last of Commander Shepard.

[Turbotanden]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Turbotanden wrote...

Btw
"Nothing's happening, the crucible is not firing. It's gotta be something on your end."
There is no action, no fire up, no sound. But when you come up the big beam is already activated?

Not sure what to make of this. There's certainly no sound, true.

When the cutscene plays, showing the Crucible moving into place and joining the Citadel, is there no beam there? I can't remember how the scene plays out.

EDIT: If the beam isn't there in the cutscene and it's just space magicked into existence despite Hackett saying nothing had happened, then this is a good catch. Unlikely to be the difference between people believe Indoc Theory or not, but a good catch nontheless.

First you get the sequence where the crucible connects. Then Shepard and Anderson talk. Then the "comm" from Hackett comes.

Edit: Hmm you do however get a small sequence of the Citadel suddenly for no apparent reason opening fully after you ride the magical elevator.

Modifié par Turbotanden, 21 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[Streambeck]

So, I just wanted to add something to this. What I'm saying is grasping at straws more than the theory itself, but it potentially works with the theory, so bear with me:

Taking the end sequence at face value, and really the entirety of ME3, you have to really consider something about TIM's motives.

Why is it so important to him that Shepard agrees with him? Why, particularly in the end segment, if the ending is literal, would it be so important for Shepard to see things his way? He's on the cusp of his "control," he appears to have more knowledge about whatever is going on than Shepard or Anderson. Why not just kill them and open the arms himself?

This also goes all the way back to why he would bring Shepard back in the first place, and Harbinger's keen interest in Shepard. If the Reapers were so intent on securing Shepard's body, and TIM had the body, why wouldn't there just be some kind of exchange where TIM would be led to believe it was in humanity's best interest? They give him some Reaper tech in exchange for Shepard's body, or something along those lines.

I think it's possible that Harbinger's goal with Shepard, and what TIM was doing without even being aware of it (considering he's under some level of Reaper control), was fashioning a successor for TIM. The new human voice for the Reapers. TIM was shrewd and resourcefull, a "worthy" agent of the Reapers, but Shepard was "a symbol, a bloody icon." Shepard is able to unite the entirety of the galaxy with his inherent leadership.

I mean, think about it. If the proto-Reaper was the endgoal of the Collectors/Harbinger, why have their agent send the person most likely to be capable of foiling their plan? Why show such interest in preserving Shepard's body when they already had it? Why would TIM have such a keen interest in observing Shepard's leadership skills, his ability to gain loyalty and trust, his ability to repair bridges, his critical thinking, with the resources he has? Maybe the "dirty dozen" were the only ones truely capable of foiling the Collectors, and maybe Shepard was the only one that could unite them, but that not only seems far-fetched, it seems so oddly specific. With what we understand of TIM's means now, it just doesn't seem like Shepard could possibly serve as some kind of lynchpin in stopping the Collectors. It just feels like ME2 was, in a way, more of a test, a trial run for Shepard.

Yeah, sorry, this is way far fetched, just thought I'd share.

[Red Starblazer]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

I would just like to say this. I've posted in here several times supporting the Indoc Theory (which it is, no doubts here), and how Bioware is god for it. But I would like to say that they still dropped the ball.

Because the initial emotional orgasm we had throughout that game of happiness, rage and even sorrow (I cried when I lost Mordin and Legion) is gone. I WILL NOT have the same emotional hightness that I did when spending 60 hours straight playthrough on Insanity when I picked it up in stores when I play any future DLC revealing the true ending. It just won't have the same effect. What they should have done was JUST FREAKING INCLUDE THE REAL ENDING IN THE GAME, so the emotional stakes could remain present.

I still feel jipped. While the genius of it all is most definitely acknowledged, I still feel jipped..And that's grounds enough to cry again..

I dont think anything is lost in waiting, if anything the emotional stakes are currently much higher because they extend beyond the game itself.

The entire Indoctrination part would have lost its entire punch if you simply woke up and was like "Oh, it was not real" and then continued. This only ahs the effect it has because of the cut of and the questions which I think is worth it.

If it is true off course.

You definitely have a point there. I don't know. I just want my closure. I want to have that drink with Garrus and build that house on Rannoch with Tali and have a litter of Alien babies in which Garrus is the Godfather and Liara is Godmother.

My dream..