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[noobcannon]

how come when you talk to space ghost boy you do not have a helmet on in the middle of space?

how come your 2 squadmates vanish on your way down the hill to the beam and then magically show up on the normandy?

why does that new pistol i have when i wake up have infinite ammo?

how the hell did anderson and TIM get to the citadel? and before me?

the magic elevator ride up into outer space to meet brainchild seemed waaaay to trippy. even by goofy/trippy/deus-ex/LOST/vanilla sky standards. 

TIM is the blue paragon looking choice of controling them and anderson is the red "destory them" option? not buying it. no comment on the whole synergy option where everyone is a now robot hybrids. it is beyond retarded and there is no real counter-argument. if the whole indoctrination theory is true, and i am really starting to believe that it is, then they could've just left that one out. also, when you choose the "destroy" option and you have enough of a war asset score, you have that shot of n7 armor waking up/ takling a deep breath under rubble.(see next)

okay the shot of him taking a breath (has to be you because of the n7 armor right?). the rubble and everything, even the audio, sounds like it's still back on earth. right? RIGHT?!

the one thing i still do not have an answer to is joker flying away. is that all made up in shepard's head as well? why would my LI, Tali, after some of the more emotional moments in the trilogy just run away and crash land on jumanji like "meh, this sucks"? SERIOUSLY?! not sure what to make of that. to me that entire scene was the icing on the ending from hell and it's also the part that still bothers me.

i have some others but these are the ones that really get me thinking bioware knows what they're doing and i almost feel bad for ever doubting them. perhaps i have been indoctrinated myself. i cant get my hopes though just to be complelety crushed all over again, just can't handle it right now.

Modifié par noobcannon, 11 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[kyrieee]

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard is still in London.

That's not during the dream, that's after Shepard has been hit by the laser and is stumbling towards the beam

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after
being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when
Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they
realized they didn't have him under complete control.

Could you be more specific when? I can't hear it
The only growl is after he opens the citadel, but that's clearly andersson

Modifié par kyrieee, 11 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[Turtlicious]

For the Anderson Scene?

http://www.youtube.c...Lwo-wAvI#t=692s

sounds rrrooooowwww

[Sindrop]

Turtlicious wrote...

For the Anderson Scene?

http://www.youtube.c...Lwo-wAvI#t=692s

sounds rrrooooowwww

Isn't it voice of reapers outside?

[kyrieee]

Turtlicious wrote...

For the Anderson Scene?

http://www.youtube.c...Lwo-wAvI#t=692s

sounds rrrooooowwww

Ah, thanks

[BlackDragonBane]

 Damn, this is what I get for sleeping. What'd I missin the last.... 4 hours?

[billida]

 I didn't see the end in english, but can someone explain why TIM says to shepard, while dying, "i wish you could see what I see, it's perfect"... showing the earth ...

what is perfect ? the vision of earth destroyed by reapers ?????

[Yuzna75]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 Damn, this is what I get for sleeping. What'd I missin the last.... 4 hours?

Nothing really, there is nothing to do but hope that there is something better out there than the end we seem to be stuck with. At least here is already a youtube video making fun of it, guess it was just a matter of time. This has got to be the most used video on youtube, or close to it.

[Doctor Quinn]

Well the lack of head wound and bloodiness may also be EA being like sorry guys but up close brain splatter is too much for the parents. Also Shepherd's whose hands are completely bloody leaves no bloody hand prints as he/she crawls.

[Yuzna75]

billida wrote...

 I didn't see the end in english, but can someone explain why TIM says to shepard, while dying, "i wish you could see what I see, it's perfect"... showing the earth ...

what is perfect ? the vision of earth destroyed by reapers ?????

No, that was more a statement of the visions TIM had. He was always extremely pro human so that he sees earth different is just a statement to that fact and that shepard clearly didn't see it the way he did.

[billida]

ok... but the choice to kill him with a renegade interruption seems so weird... i would have thought that killing him was parangon !

[Stalker]

Yuzna75 wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 Damn, this is what I get for sleeping. What'd I missin the last.... 4 hours?

Nothing really, there is nothing to do but hope that there is something better out there than the end we seem to be stuck with. At least here is already a youtube video making fun of it, guess it was just a matter of time. This has got to be the most used video on youtube, or close to it.

Great how this video sums up my complete opinion on this.

[Yuzna75]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Yuzna75 wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 Damn, this is what I get for sleeping. What'd I missin the last.... 4 hours?

Nothing really, there is nothing to do but hope that there is something better out there than the end we seem to be stuck with. At least here is already a youtube video making fun of it, guess it was just a matter of time. This has got to be the most used video on youtube, or close to it.

Great how this video sums up my complete opinion on this.

Pretty much, its the lack of closure that really gets to me, bad writing I can live with.

[Turtlicious]

Sit's 8 am, I'mma go to bed.

[Golferguy758]

Considering the writing for 99% of the game was incredible I doubt that it'd turn so bad so fast. Hallucination/indoctrination makes sense because that is the level of writing that was showing throughout the game.

[Taone]

First post on the forums, let's make it count!

I came into the Mass Effect series as an achievement ****, hearing that ME1's achievements were fairly easy and that it wouldn't take alot of effort to get them. I saw the game for like 10 bucks and figured i'd give it a shot.. I was a fan in minutes. The second I started playing the game, I could not put it down. A game that makes you decide how things turn out in the next 2 games in the trilogy? You have a choice in the matter? That's incredible, and never done before. Sort of reminds me of those old Goosebumps books that let you take branching paths by going to different pages in the book.

When Mass Effect 2 came out, I was the first one in line to get it, ran back home *cause I didn't have a working car at the time* and popped that bad boy in. I played it nonstop. Jump forward to ME3's release, same thing.

Why am I bothering writing all of this? Because Bioware turned me into a fan of this series from the get go. They know what they're doing with the Mass Effect series, and I have hope that this very disappointing ending isn't all that's there. Bioware's never really been known to leave massive loop holes in the Mass Effect series, and to throw them all at you at once in the last 5 minutes, in this surreal situation.. I don't buy it.

First off, the Catalyst taking the form of the dead child. It makes sense for Shepard to see that, or Harbinger to see that and use that to his advantage. He blames himself for that child dying. Same with all of the mass relays exploding, it doesn't make sense for them to just blow up regardless of what you decide. What's the point? Honestly, I think Shep sees the relays exploding and thinks back to the scene in Arrival where he blew up the relay to stop the reapers from arriving, at the cost of 200k Batarians. Finally, the scene where you see Shepard on the floor on Earth still wearing his armor and breathing. That was the defining moment for me. How did he get back to earth? The real question is.. did he even get to the beam, or was he stopped right there when the laser hit him?

Some of you might think i'm in denial, or that i'm giving Bioware too much credit but I have hope!

Don't let me down Bioware.

[tuzem2]

I'm kind of hoping that BioWare will release some nice DLC that would continue the story and give it a better (true) ending while explaining what the hell happened the last 30 minutes of the game...

And you know: "Without hope, we might as well be machines, programmed to do what we are told"

[iiToxyy]

 Glad to see this thread getting so much support and attention after following it from page 1. 

[Lugaidster]

Regardless of what happened at the ending, the music you get when being lifted by the guardian in the platform is epic. That right there is a moment I won't forget, regardless of what comes next.

[Doctor Quinn]

TAONE, what child? He never existed. Shepherd is the only one who ever acknowledges him. He somehow disappears quietly down a duct that he previously made noise when he moved around in it. When he runs into the shuttle no one turns to look at him, and when he stumbles up the step no one inside the shuttle tries to grab him or remotely reacts to the boys presence with so much as a footstep. The boy isn't real.

[Doctor Quinn]

Also it's hard to tell where shepherd is. He's in a pile of rubble. It could easily be the citadel.

[Lugaidster]

Doctor Quinn wrote...

TAONE, what child? He never existed. Shepherd is the only one who ever acknowledges him. He somehow disappears quietly down a duct that he previously made noise when he moved around in it. When he runs into the shuttle no one turns to look at him, and when he stumbles up the step no one inside the shuttle tries to grab him or remotely reacts to the boys presence with so much as a footstep. The boy isn't real.

This, besides, the growl when he disapears is pretty telling, no matter how people say it's a reaper outside. It felt too weird to be just a reaper sound.

[BigBossBoo]

11. Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of
indoctrination.
5. Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade
15. Shepard is not wearing his armor when he wakes up in the Citadel, implying that this is a dream.

I noticed the odd coloration of the control/destroy things. I thought at first, middle choice, maybe Shepard's conscious is more right and synthetics is better. But it makes more sense that it's a hallucination. Shepard HAS been around reapers a lot, there's no reason for him to not be affected in some way.  Plus what are reaper forces such as husks?  Organic life genetically altered and enhanced with synthetic parts (such as Saren).  The choices are, destroy the reapers and end the cycle, allow the reapers to easily indoctrinate all organic life, or fully indoctrinate Shepard and inseminate him into the Reapers themselves.  Choice seems more obvious then (and makes the, only destroy reapers allows Shepard to live, understandable).

TIM was indoctrinated, clearly, yet he was adamant about keeping Shepard alive, and we were never given an answer as to why. However, Shepard is probably the greatest foe the Reapers have ever faced (killing 3.5 reapers himself and foiling their plans nearly 3 times). The Reapers would probably want to do something special to Shepard as a result, which is why TIM can't kill Shepard, even in the dream. TIM could've easily had Shepard shoot himself but he didn't.

I didn't notice the clothing thing either, I figured Shepard's armor just disintegrated. But considering that Reaper lasers cut through ships all the time, no one could've survived a laser to the face (as we saw on Rannoch). All the more reason to be wary of BW deceits.

No true final boss fight (like ME1&2) and odd, fully depressing endings? There might be more... hopefully.. sadly, as an unfinished ending to ME3.  And technically we never see Shepard get hit by the laser.  The laser could've barely missed him and rocks could've hit Shepard, knocking him out.  As the guys on the radio said, no one made it to the light, everyone was decimated, which was said about 5 seconds after shepard got up.  And notice the Reaper was gone when Shepard got up and the Citadel resembled a Reaper at first (dialogue).  I think that part was representing Shepard's fight for himself against indoctrination and all the dead, bloody bodies were all the lives he lost to the Reapers.

Modifié par BigBossBoo, 11 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Yuzna75]

Still don't buy that child theory, sure its weird that the soldiers don't acknowledge him, but as far as I see it he is there as a reminder of what shepard is fighting for and what is being lost. Its a representation of all those he can't save, which clearly burdens him throughout the game.

as for the music, the two tracks by clint mansell rocks

Modifié par Yuzna75, 11 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[SomeBug]

Lugaidster wrote...

Doctor Quinn wrote...

TAONE, what child? He never existed. Shepherd is the only one who ever acknowledges him. He somehow disappears quietly down a duct that he previously made noise when he moved around in it. When he runs into the shuttle no one turns to look at him, and when he stumbles up the step no one inside the shuttle tries to grab him or remotely reacts to the boys presence with so much as a footstep. The boy isn't real.

This, besides, the growl when he disapears is pretty telling, no matter how people say it's a reaper outside. It felt too weird to be just a reaper sound.

It's called dramatic timing. It's an editing mechanism to add emphasis to the visuals.

You're really reading far too much into these things.