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[Denvian]

tomhagen27 wrote...

when anderson says he is from london i wonder if maybe shepard was actually born in london (i can't remember if on me1's background story if you can choose to be born from somewhere other than earth) part of indoctrination that i can remember from me2 had people remembering the same memories so it makes me wonder if anderson was actually drawing off of shepards memories, this only works however if both shepard and anderson have started being indoctrinated.

am i reaching too much into this, indoctrinites?

I think you are on to something... They were in the shuttle with the guy from London!! Anderson sounds nothing like a londoner and that is why they had the wierd look at each other!

Because he had a memory from the other guy with a accent.  Don't remember what his name was but he and anderson had been in the resistance so they are both good candidates for Indoctrination.

Modifié par Denvian, 21 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[monrapias]

MJF JD wrote...

monrapias wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Not sure if this has been posted, but it's an interesting read
http://pastebin.com/i2cNVDp4

its fake 

how so?

because it was confirmed fake in the first thread that posted it.  

Insted of just going "it's fake, oh sorry (its) "  could you perhaps show me where the proof about that being fake?
I'm not saying I don't believe you about it being fake, but I don't see how  saying "it's fake" helps me.

[Jakedee010v2]

I was shooting the Crucible before I was even close enough, so, I guess I wasn't fooled.

[Rifneno]

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

[MJF JD]

monrapias wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

monrapias wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Not sure if this has been posted, but it's an interesting read
http://pastebin.com/i2cNVDp4

its fake 

how so?

because it was confirmed fake in the first thread that posted it.  

Insted of just going "it's fake, oh sorry (its) "  could you perhaps show me where the proof about that being fake?
I'm not saying I don't believe you about it being fake, but I don't see how  saying "it's fake" helps me.

http://social.biowar.../index/10399933

no need to be condescending about an apostrophe. 

[tomhagen27]

hopefully i don't get pegged as a lame-o for this question, but i'm terrible with lingo of any sort. what does retcon mean? also canon?

[nyrocron]

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Sammuthegreat]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Sorry but that one tweet just gets me... I believe it was Michael gambon. "if only you all knew what we had in store for you" or something along the lines. And then casey Hudson telling us hold on and have faith! Something is going down and it points to this thread!

Somehow I doubt it was Michael Gambon...

[MJF JD]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Sorry but that one tweet just gets me... I believe it was Michael gambon. "if only you all knew what we had in store for you" or something along the lines. And then casey Hudson telling us hold on and have faith! Something is going down and it points to this thread!

Somehow I doubt it was Michael Gambon...

haha it would strengthen the magic did it crowd. 

[Tiax Rules All]

tomhagen27 wrote...

hopefully i don't get pegged as a lame-o for this question, but i'm terrible with lingo of any sort. what does retcon mean? also canon?

Retcon means they go back and chage someething already written (like a re-write)
canon is the default story of a multiple branching game. like shep letting the council die (i believe) is canon if you dont import a ME2 save.

[Robhuzz]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Sorry but that one tweet just gets me... I believe it was Michael gambon. "if only you all knew what we had in store for you" or something along the lines. And then casey Hudson telling us hold on and have faith! Something is going down and it points to this thread!

I'm not sure if it points at this thread but it definitely points at this whole thing being planned. I also find the reactions from Casey and Ray to be a bit fake. Before this started they said the ending might ****** off some of the fans. They said dozens of things about the ending which are lies as things stand now, and they act surprised that so many people dislike the ending. I mean, come on, even a toddler would've seen it coming, I do not think for a second that this wasn't planned.

If it turns out I was wrong then curse me for putting so much faith in BioWare, but I'll at least know to never to do that again.

Ahh well, we'll see soon enough won't we?

[byne]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

tomhagen27 wrote...

hopefully i don't get pegged as a lame-o for this question, but i'm terrible with lingo of any sort. what does retcon mean? also canon?

Retcon means they go back and chage someething already written (like a re-write)
canon is the default story of a multiple branching game. like shep letting the council die (i believe) is canon if you dont import a ME2 save.

Actually, I dont think ME has any canon decisions.

I dont think the non-import stuff counts as canon.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

nyrocron wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Yeah...

You know the most tell tale sign something is off should be the fact that we are 750+ pages worth of Information in and we still find new hints, clues and problems with everything that happened...if all that was there by accident...yeah right.

[Denvian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Yeah...

You know the most tell tale sign something is off should be the fact that we are 750+ pages worth of Information in and we still find new hints, clues and problems with everything that happened...if all that was there by accident...yeah right.

Does anybody know if Anderson had ever mention in any previous game where he was born?  

[davionbandit]

I know what I am about to say has already been said in one form or another, but I am not going to go through all 785 pages so that I can quote it.  I don't think I have ever actually posted before either.  But I have to say a couple of things.  Just in case Bioware is listening.

1. I LOVE the hallucination/indoctrination theories. The entire sequence starting with the charge to the 'white beam' didn't feel right.  I was definitely having the "dream" feeling along with everyone else.

2. If they are wrong and the stuff on the citadel actually happened....I would be ok with that...wait...don't shoot me yet.  I just want the inconsistencies explained.  Specifically -

All of your Alien companions plus Kaiden/Ashley and James are on Earth.  How did those people get picked up by the Normandy from Earth to be in the final scenes?

Every space-faring species in the galaxy has a fleet around Earth.  What the heck is going to happen to all of those aliens?  Or were all of those space-faring vessels destroyed (The Normandy wasn't looking too hot after its landing)?  

If releasing the power of the Crucible destroys the relays, does it destroy all of those systems that have relays?

All that work I did helping the people on the Citadel and building the Citadel defense force-- for nothing because the Citadel is destroyed now?

Maybe that was the point.  Shepard sacrified an untold number of people/planets/systems to end the reaper threat permanently.

Who is the god child?  He says "us" when talking about the reapers/synthetics.  But says the reapers are his solution to save organics.  Who is he and why does he care about continuity of organic species?

So if any of these questions have been answered outside of the hallucination theories, please direct me to the answers.

ME3 is an AWESOME game.  I just hate the questions.  Along with a lot of other people it seems.

NJS

[nyrocron]

They answer almost all the tweets but keep ignoring all straight questions about the story, just great

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[byne]

Denvian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Yeah...

You know the most tell tale sign something is off should be the fact that we are 750+ pages worth of Information in and we still find new hints, clues and problems with everything that happened...if all that was there by accident...yeah right.

Does anybody know if Anderson had ever mention in any previous game where he was born?  

I dont know if it was in the games, but I'm fairly sure it was in the books, because I knew before ME3 that Anderson was born in London.

[Redbelle]

bigstig wrote...

the more I read the more I believe, indoctrination is the answer.

Not only that but once you accept indoc as what happened you gain a new respect for reapers as the big bads of the galaxy. So far Shep's just blown them up with military might and firepower. But do that enough times and they lose their boogieman status. Javik stated that once the Reapers adapted to their tactics the protheans lost the war. Well the Reapers have had it in for Shep since his influence killed Sovereign. Switching to aggressive indoctrination of Shep seems logical given that the Reapers agents have failed to reign him in.

I've brought this up in other threads but it seems logical that given the Reaper interest in Shepard they may have moved the Citadel to Earth not only to guard it with their fleet but also to trap Shepard and finally 'get to him'. Why not do this sooner? Becaues he flies around in a really fast stealth ship.

Shep has had Reaper interest in him for awhile but the reason is never expanded upon.

The Reapers are hundreds of thousands of minds in one body but they are united in their cause. Are Reapers indoctrinated? If so is indoctrination the cause of the rise of the reapers?

If Shep can fight his way free of indoctrination when other cannot is he a threat to the process of removing free will from all life?

Can the Crucible be used to spread Shepards will power to the Reapers freeing those minds from their fixed goal? Therby showing that the Reapers interest in Shepard is that he had the potential to become the catalyst. Because on it's on the crucible and citadel did nothing when joined.

I've read posts from ppl who ask what all the fuss is about. I believe the fuss is that Shep, for all his virtues and faults, is a soldier who will fight to defend his view of how the galaxy should be. the ending of ME3 took all that away from him. At the very end Conrad Verner could have standing in for Shepard and it wouldn't have mattered for what followed. And when you go back to the above questions you have to ask yourself, did mass effect really hit an end where their was no more story to tell? The answer being cried out load here and everywhere is no. There was more to say. More story to tell. Shepard wasn't finished and yet BW (seemingly) tossed him out and said no more ME.

We can keep going and discover more about the Reapers, why they do what they do and how they can hurt Shep and everyone and everything in the galaxy to achieve their goals. And when they have taken their best shot our decisions through Shepard will decide if the universe falls or survives, who lives and dies and wheather Shepard will be there at the end of it. That is what Mass effect gave us and that's what the ending of ME3 took away. And in that context no one actually got  to the end of Mass Effect. We've been left hanging with an ending that doesn't end our question's. We have either beat the Reapers or we haven't and despite all the buzz on the forums, I don't think anyone can catergorically say yes or no.

[benben84]

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

It's not mentioned anywhere after Anderson brings that up.  I also have wondered this right from the time he said it.  You'd think if it was just a way to get the most concentrated people it would have been LA like where all the other aliens seem to attack Earth...

I'd be very curious as to why that was mentioned and never expanded on...

[Denvian]

byne wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Yeah...

You know the most tell tale sign something is off should be the fact that we are 750+ pages worth of Information in and we still find new hints, clues and problems with everything that happened...if all that was there by accident...yeah right.

Does anybody know if Anderson had ever mention in any previous game where he was born?  

I dont know if it was in the games, but I'm fairly sure it was in the books, because I knew before ME3 that Anderson was born in London.

Maybe they meant London, Canada lol... that is a bit of a push lol

[Redbelle]

byne wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Yeah...

You know the most tell tale sign something is off should be the fact that we are 750+ pages worth of Information in and we still find new hints, clues and problems with everything that happened...if all that was there by accident...yeah right.

Does anybody know if Anderson had ever mention in any previous game where he was born?  

I dont know if it was in the games, but I'm fairly sure it was in the books, because I knew before ME3 that Anderson was born in London.

I tracked down a wiki page that raises the where was he born question. It's not definitive yet but it mentions Atlanta  and sources it to the Shadow Broker files. Can't see anything there that indicates he was born their though

[Golferguy758]

To play devil's advocate. The problem with Indoc theory is that it can effectively kill off the people who enjoyed the endings as they stand currently.

[lex0r11]

Capeo wrote...

Wow. We finally get a definitive statement that the endings were exactly what they planned, from the co-founder no less, and the IT cult still keeps chugging along.

you must really hate this thread, am i right? why do you keep coming here? that is saying alot about you.

if you have read something evident in that blog entry, then you must be PR GOD. people saying this thread keeps grasping at straws? the irony is killing me. you call us desperate? i'm about to soil myself from the overflowing of hypocrisy in all your posts. you leech at every sentence to find anything to make you feel superior so you can 'i told you so'.

okay, we get it. you hate indoc. leave it.

but please, enlighten me what i couldn't read in that statement. i will reward you for it with whatever you want.

hell, i might think about picking up that old offer and convince my girlfriend to cosplay as an asari stripper and take pictures of it. and i will cosplay as a batarian gigolo if you find anything EVIDENT in that wall of PR.

Modifié par lex0r11, 21 mars 2012 - 09:15 .

[njfluffy19]

Denvian wrote...

byne wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Speaking of London, doesn't it set off any alarm bells with anyone that we never find out why London? The final battle takes place there because the Reapers were focused on it, but we never found out why they were focused on it. Anderson made quite a point of how the Reapers were focusing on London for reasons unknown and it was unnerving him. The reasons unknown part, not the hometown part.

Wow, you are right. Has this been addressed anywhere?

Yeah...

You know the most tell tale sign something is off should be the fact that we are 750+ pages worth of Information in and we still find new hints, clues and problems with everything that happened...if all that was there by accident...yeah right.

Does anybody know if Anderson had ever mention in any previous game where he was born?  

I dont know if it was in the games, but I'm fairly sure it was in the books, because I knew before ME3 that Anderson was born in London.

Maybe they meant London, Canada lol... that is a bit of a push lol

Would explain the lack of an english accent.

[nyrocron]

The London thing really got me thinking. Why would they bring it up, why would Anderson explicitly state that they were focusing on London if that is never explained?

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 09:11 .