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[krystalevenstar]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Maybe the dream like sequence and the choices provided is Harbinger trying to indoctrinate Shepard?

I bet you're right! Shepard gets blasted by Harbinger and knocked out, allowing Harbinger to indoctrinate Shep. We already know he/she is completely exhausted by this point and would put up no mental resistance. That's why 2 of the 3 endings allow The Reapers to live, it's the final attempt for Harbinger to try to trick Shepard into not destroying them. The Catalyst is simply a VI that Harbinger itself is using, making it appear like the child because it's seeing that's a powerful image in Shepard's mind. Then, if you maintain your resolve and still Destroy the Reapers, you get the Shepard actually is alive in the rubble clip, and maybe we'll get the option to continue after being knocked out, fire off the Crucible and have an actual ending.

GOD I HOPE THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. Honestly, I'm scared to hope about this hallucination theory, but it's making more and more sense and seems more like something Bioware would do than these garbo endings. Then they can go on and on about how unique the ending of ME3 was because they dared to do something no game developer had done before and let you believe you failed for X amount of time before revealing the real ending.

It had better be a FREE dlc though, that's all I'm saying.

Edit: Another thing that hasn't been sitting right with me since I played it was that while Coats or w/e his name is, is on the radio after Harbinger fires the laser, he mentions multiple times there are no survivors, the troops have been decimated. Which would make sense that Shepard would hear that as he/she faded out of consciousness. Don't you think that he would have noticed 'OH MY GOD, SHEPARD IS STILL HEADING TOWARDS THE BEAM!', not to even MENTION Anderson. I kept wondering to myself why he wasn't mentioning Shepard was still en route to the beam, albiet slowly.

If it looks like a duck people...

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 10 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[humes spork]

Oh, and has anyone questioned why on Earth the Reapers would just keep flayed corpses laying around in piles with blood-spattered and -smeared everything on the Citadel? It's all a little too...well, messy all things considered. By comparison, melting down people to turn them into Reaper-goo, or even turning them into husks, has autistic/OCD levels of immaculate neatness. Dragon's teeth don't even end up bloody, despite people being literally impaled on them.

Modifié par humes spork, 10 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[The Chosen Predator]

DLC - get a squad to rescue shepard

[Ghrelt]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

That's the real kicker. The fact that so many of us have invested so many hours into the game, even to the extent of beating it multiple times just so that we would have EVERY POSSIBLE scenario that could shift or change the ending. We've grown to learn about the different cultures in the galaxy. The different species, the politics, the cultures, etc.... and it's just all taken away. It doesn't matter if you cured the genophage, who you chose to save, kill, or sacrifice, or how many alliances you forged / species you decimated or destroyed. It's all just pointless, because it boils down to: "Hey, pick one! A, B, or C?"

For me, it wasn't the ending that bothered me.  It was the arbitrary reason for the Reaper's existence in the first place.  "We exist to keep you from creating synthetics that will destroy you..."  

*raises hand*  "Uuuum, excuse me?  Could you repeat that and actually listen to yourself?!  If we're just going to create synthetics that will destroy us, then your existence is kind of a moot point, huh?"   *Reapers cease to exist in a puff of logic*

I could live with the distruction of the relays and galactic civilization as we know it if not for that anti-logic being rammed down my throat alongside it.  I still killed the Reapers and saved Earth, dammit!  I succeeded!

/on topic: This thread makes me feel so much better about playing this game.  I can do more playthroughs without feeling sick to my stomach!

[k8ee]

I liked vega, but not as my Shep replacement... that would have been... upsetting.

I think also, BW's failure with the novel makes me wonder if they would be clever enough to release the ending after the launch, if not for the fact that everyone is crying murder, but to fix the fact that the script and endings were leaked? Grasping at straws me thinks,... now I've gone and depressed myself.

[Ariaya]

If it was a hallucination, that would explain how completely off the ending feels. I would be very, very glad if it was a hallucination and we got a real ending or endings that are more fulfilling and hopeful. The Reaper war has already come with great cost. Shepard has lost friends and loved ones and the galaxy has suffered terrible losses. It would make sense, too, since she kept dreaming about that little boy from the beginning throughout the game. Now with her injuries/ blood loss, the dream has intensified into a hallucination and he becomes the Star-Child god.

It could also be, as someone suggested, a hallucination created by the Reapers in that last moment because they know that Shepard might win--as a way of casting her into hopelessness and despair.

I like this hallucination idea very much. In fact, no matter what happens I am going to think about the whole thing as being a bad dream. If I can think about it like this, I might actually be able to replay ME3.

[k8ee]

krystalevenstar wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Maybe the dream like sequence and the choices provided is Harbinger trying to indoctrinate Shepard?

I bet you're right! Shepard gets blasted by Harbinger and knocked out, allowing Harbinger to indoctrinate Shep. We already know he/she is completely exhausted by this point and would put up no mental resistance. That's why 2 of the 3 endings allow The Reapers to live, it's the final attempt for Harbinger to try to trick Shepard into not destroying them. The Catalyst is simply a VI that Harbinger itself is using, making it appear like the child because it's seeing that's a powerful image in Shepard's mind. Then, if you maintain your resolve and still Destroy the Reapers, you get the Shepard actually is alive in the rubble clip, and maybe we'll get the option to continue after being knocked out, fire off the Crucible and have an actual ending.

GOD I HOPE THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. Honestly, I'm scared to hope about this hallucination theory, but it's making more and more sense and seems more like something Bioware would do than these garbo endings. Then they can go on and on about how unique the ending of ME3 was because they dared to do something no game developer had done before and let you believe you failed for X amount of time before revealing the real ending.

It had better be a FREE dlc though, that's all I'm saying.

Edit: Another thing that hasn't been sitting right with me since I played it was that while Coats or w/e his name is, is on the radio after Harbinger fires the laser, he mentions multiple times there are no survivors, the troops have been decimated. Don't you think that he would have noticed 'OH MY GOD, SHEPARD IS STILL HEADING TOWARDS THE BEAM!', not to even MENTION Anderson.

If it looks like a duck people...

This is exactly what I've been saying. Add all the weirdness about the entire exchange and the magic guns, and you have to wonder. Would be a great publicity stunt... if people weren't so angry they wouldn't play...

[mupp3tz]

Also, thinking back on your encounters with indoctrinated people... they make several references along the lines of: "You don't understand. We MUST follow the Reapers... It's the only way. " or "NOW I see why this must happen!" etc. Thus, the Control and the Synthesize endings = similarities to the thought that "The Reaper's will is my will." In the first one, Shepard, himself, becomes Daddy Reaper, and in the second one, the Reapers are forged with organics.

The Destroy ending is what Shepard has believed in all along, even though the picture painted from this choice is still grim. It makes Shepard question, "Is this REALLY what I need to do? What will happen to the galaxies?" It makes him doubt himself; however, it's only in choosing this path that Shepard regains consciousness = free will.

Aaaand... too far. You guys have got me thinking too much that I can't sleep now.

[Beast919]

k8ee wrote...

I liked vega, but not as my Shep replacement... that would have been... upsetting.
.

Oh but can't you IMAGINE!  All game, Vega keeps an open radio to Cortez (one of the few other survivors) and they continously banter back and forth every time anyone opens their mouth!  Oh the possibilities. 

They could even make it an entire sequel to the game, rather than just a DLC.  

Have Vega wake up in the rubble, verge of death, but neverfear, Cerberus is here, and they Lazarus his ass up real good.  So he becomes the Sheperd 2.0.....2.0!

And they can call it....

Mass Effect 3 : New Vega

.....

[mupp3tz]

*double post*

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 10 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[mupp3tz]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

For me, it wasn't the ending that bothered me.  It was the arbitrary reason for the Reaper's existence in the first place.  "We exist to keep you from creating synthetics that will destroy you..."  

http://i.imgur.com/F3p6X.jpg

I had to.

[Beast919]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

For me, it wasn't the ending that bothered me.  It was the arbitrary reason for the Reaper's existence in the first place.  "We exist to keep you from creating synthetics that will destroy you..."  

http://i.imgur.com/F3p6X.jpg

I had to.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[k8ee]

You made me smile, but not enough to take away the knot of horror I still feel in the pit of my stomach.

I think the OP should start listing all the reasons why it has to be a dream on the top post. That way we can keep a clear list. So we can reread it again... and again...

[LoliLiana]

movieguyabw wrote...

No, it wouldn't be the way to go. To fix the endings, they need to get rid of the whole Guardian bit entirely. Patch that scene right out of the game.

I'm all for this.  Is that terrible of me to say?

[krystalevenstar]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

... OR the could do the FF route and release a Mass Effect 3 II, which picks up after you recovering from the debris. I'd totes buy it.  Thus, making ME3 part 1 of 2.  Yay?

I made a thread earlier about thinking it was a setup for an expansion pack and I was just starting to think, during the promotion for this game the major overarching theme was 'Take back Earth', not 'Save the Universe' or anything like that. Obviously the slogan 'Finish the Fight' was already trademarked, lol, but still. My Shepard wasn't Humanity first, aliens second. She wanted to save the whole galaxy, not just earth. Maybe if this is part 1 of 2, that's why they were pushing saving Earth so hard for part 1 and then part 2, ME3.5, would be seeing how all your choices played out and the state the rest of the Galaxy is in post Reapers. 'One more story'...

Edit: FTR, I'm massively in support of the 'This was all a hallucination' now.

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 10 mars 2012 - 07:25 .

[mupp3tz]

I think I saw earlier that Chris Priestly mentioned how there would be a Mass Effect panel at some convention. It's still a little far off, but I hope they address fan concerns. It would be kind of ridiculous for them to just sweep it under the rug.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 10 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[byne]

Another thing I just noticed.

At the beginning of the game, when the council person on Earth asks Shepard how to defeat the Reapers Shepard says 'We fight or we die!'

If you choose any ending other than to fight the Reapers (by destroying them), you die, which, if this is all in Shepard's head, would work wonderfully, because she will have given up fighting.

[k8ee]

oh god, don't get my hopes up, lol.... and you'd only be able to play that DLC if you choose to destroy the reapers...

and it's interesting that there is a chapter save just before you head up to the citadel, I mean, get knocked out... makes it easy for people to reload and choose the right path...

[Beast919]

byne wrote...

Another thing I just noticed.

At the beginning of the game, when the council person on Earth asks Shepard how to defeat the Reapers Shepard says 'We fight or we die!'

If you choose any ending other than to fight the Reapers (by destroying them), you die, which, if this is all in Shepard's head, would work wonderfully, because she will have given up fighting.

Quite literal, but I don't think thats what Paragon Shep says is it? Pretty sure I said something about "standing together" or some typical group hug nonsense.

[krystalevenstar]

I'm going to go load the autosave from the citadel and play around with some choices and look for more clues... I shall return.

[k8ee]

byne wrote...

Another thing I just noticed.

At the beginning of the game, when the council person on Earth asks Shepard how to defeat the Reapers Shepard says 'We fight or we die!'

If you choose any ending other than to fight the Reapers (by destroying them), you die, which, if this is all in Shepard's head, would work wonderfully, because she will have given up fighting.

Exactly... there is no other choice but to destroy them. Shep goes on and on about everyone working together, to built the machine, to fight the war... It's many different parts working together that make up a whole unit - beauty in diversity.

All other choices leave the reapers alive, which was what all the indoctrinated people chose.

[littleork]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I'm going to go load the autosave from the citadel and play around with some choices and look for more clues... I shall return.

Haha i love how people want to feed the idea, i started reading that thread at the beginning and it made perfect sense to me.My lil brother is actuallly playing me1 right now and i think i will pay some attention to his talking with sovereign/saren to see if they say some stuff that would make those endings make no sense.

[mupp3tz]

Also, prior to the release of the game, Mike Gamble said that we should keep our ME3 saves.  As it stands, it's kind of pointless to keep your save, nevertheless do a NG+, all things considered.  What would be the point of a new squad member, weapon set, mission, or alt. clothing if it's all just goes to hell? 

Can't help but hope.

[mupp3tz]

littleork wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I'm going to go load the autosave from the citadel and play around with some choices and look for more clues... I shall return.

Haha i love how people want to feed the idea, i started reading that thread at the beginning and it made perfect sense to me.My lil brother is actuallly playing me1 right now and i think i will pay some attention to his talking with sovereign/saren to see if they say some stuff that would make those endings make no sense.

Oh my god, don't!  TELL YOUR LITTLE BROTHER TO STOP NOW.  Don't break his heart, too! haha

[littleork]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

littleork wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I'm going to go load the autosave from the citadel and play around with some choices and look for more clues... I shall return.

Haha i love how people want to feed the idea, i started reading that thread at the beginning and it made perfect sense to me.My lil brother is actuallly playing me1 right now and i think i will pay some attention to his talking with sovereign/saren to see if they say some stuff that would make those endings make no sense.

Oh my god, don't!  TELL YOUR LITTLE BROTHER TO STOP NOW.  Don't break his heart, too! haha

 I already told him where to stop in the game lol