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[lex0r11]

So here is to remember Marauder Shields (once every 100 pages).

youtu.be/uNoIwHychkY#t=00m17s

By Jobasha from BSN:

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
The Husk who held the Line
The Guardian of the Endings
The Protector of our Mind
He tried to save you from yourself
From madness for all time
Lest you advanced into nonsense
Stood fast and held the Line





Wake up Shepard, hold the line.

Modifié par lex0r11, 22 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[tymtraveller]

The Three Husketeers and Marauder Shields the TRUE heroes of ME3!  HA!

Modifié par tymtraveller, 22 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[LadyVakarian]

 And now a moment of silence for Marauder Shields and the Three Husketeers... they will be missed...







EDIT: HAHA! We were thinking the same thing! I will only put my botched photoshop of the Three Husketeers then lol!

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 22 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[CLB17]

[quote]lex0r11 wrote...

So here is to remember Marauder Shields (once every 100 pages).



By Jobasha from BSN:

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
The Husk who held the Line
The Guardian of the Endings
The Protector of our Mind
He tried to save you from yourself
From madness for all time
Lest you advanced into nonsense
Stood fast and held the Line





Wake up Shepard, hold the line.






Lol All hail Marauder Shields!! Our true hero!!!

[JTP117]

lex0r11 wrote...

So here is to remember Marauder Shields (once every 100 pages).



By Jobasha from BSN:

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
The Husk who held the Line
The Guardian of the Endings
The Protector of our Mind
He tried to save you from yourself
From madness for all time
Lest you advanced into nonsense
Stood fast and held the Line





Wake up Shepard, hold the line.

I enjoy that you remembered my "wake up shepard" line

[ArkkAngel007]

FellishBeast wrote...

Not to bash, but GBGriffin just seems to be butthurt that he made the wrong choice or something. At least from what I read. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think it's the case.  I think he states his argument very well.  We can't just be like "IT explains everything perfectly, it's fact, and w/e future DLC will work perfectly with", which I know is what hardly anyone is saying and is completely hyperbolic, but the point is still being made.  Believe it or not, this theory has its own problems.

We've become way to overzealous about this theory in my opinion.  I haven't lost hope, not in the slightest, but just like with ReTakeME3 and BioWare, we need to meet the "opposition" mid-way as well.  And considering that GBGriffin did that very thing with me when I expressed how all three endings can work without alienating anyone who chose those options from potential-DLC content, it really showed how immature most of our arguments have been in the past and continue to be at times.  

We do have to be prepared to be wrong, and we do have to be prepared to welcome those who used to oppose us if we are right, and work towards the common goal of making sense of this madness BioWare laid on us.  We can't just alienate people who are hesitant in sharing our viewpoint.

Edit: I'm more than aware of those who want nothing more but to stamp this theory out and ridicule us, which I have complete didain for as they can't respect our opinion.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 22 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[lex0r11]

I added a video, manly tears were shed.

youtu.be/uNoIwHychkY#t=00m17s

Modifié par lex0r11, 22 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[FellishBeast]

 Any interesting tweets from any of the important people today?
Also, if you haven't gotten the chance to, feel free to take a second to check out this thread and thank Jessica Merizan for her awesome work and great attitude while working with us. She actually responded to it and is very appreciative 

[ArkkAngel007]

LadyVakarian wrote...

 And now a moment of silence for Marauder Shields and the Three Husketeers... they will be missed...







EDIT: HAHA! We were thinking the same thing! I will only put my botched photoshop of the Three Husketeers then lol!

Oh c'mon, the roughness makes it all the more legit.  Bravo!

[LadyVakarian]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Not to bash, but GBGriffin just seems to be butthurt that he made the wrong choice or something. At least from what I read. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think it's the case.  I think he states his argument very well.  We can't just be like "IT explains everything perfectly, it's fact, and w/e future DLC will work perfectly with", which I know is what hardly anyone is saying and is completely hyperbolic, but the point is still being made.  Believe it or not, this theory has its own problems.

We've become way to overzealous about this theory in my opinion.  I haven't lost hope, not in the slightest, but just like with ReTakeME3 and BioWare, we need to meet the "opposition" mid-way as well.  And considering that GBGriffin did that very thing with me when I expressed how all three endings can work without alienating anyone who chose those options from potential-DLC content, it really showed how immature most of our arguments have been in the past and continue to be at times.  

We do have to be prepared to be wrong, and we do have to be prepared to welcome those who used to oppose us if we are right, and work towards the common goal of making sense of this madness BioWare laid on us.  We can't just alienate people who are hesitant in sharing our viewpoint.

Edit: I'm more than aware of those who want nothing more but to stamp this theory out and ridicule us, which I have complete didain for as they can't respect our opinion.

I understand this fully and I think if we slip into what is said above, we are no better than the butthurt people who are doing nothing but whining about the ending. That being said, MOST of the people on this thread have kept their heads and when opposition comes our way, we welcome the chance to prove us wrong. The thing we usually see here are those who say, "The IT is all wrong and stupid....and you are all dumb.... cause...." and that is what we expect so it's normal for some of us to assume it's trolling. I am not condoning this behavior, I am just letting the good people of this thread know that we need to keep that open mind that we held for so long that made us different from the rest of the forum. We can do this you guys! 

@ArkkAngel007, Why thank you! I spent a whole 30 seconds on it! 

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 22 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[FellishBeast]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Not to bash, but GBGriffin just seems to be butthurt that he made the wrong choice or something. At least from what I read. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think it's the case.  I think he states his argument very well.  We can't just be like "IT explains everything perfectly, it's fact, and w/e future DLC will work perfectly with", which I know is what hardly anyone is saying and is completely hyperbolic, but the point is still being made.  Believe it or not, this theory has its own problems.

We've become way to overzealous about this theory in my opinion.  I haven't lost hope, not in the slightest, but just like with ReTakeME3 and BioWare, we need to meet the "opposition" mid-way as well.  And considering that GBGriffin did that very thing with me when I expressed how all three endings can work without alienating anyone who chose those options from potential-DLC content, it really showed how immature most of our arguments have been in the past and continue to be at times.  

We do have to be prepared to be wrong, and we do have to be prepared to welcome those who used to oppose us if we are right, and work towards the common goal of making sense of this madness BioWare laid on us.  We can't just alienate people who are hesitant in sharing our viewpoint.

Edit: I'm more than aware of those who want nothing more but to stamp this theory out and ridicule us, which I have complete didain for as they can't respect our opinion.

Okay, thank you for clarifying. In my eyes (and it could be my subconscious bias) the people opposing this theory have very hollow and immature arguments. It seems like they just want to hate on it. There reasoning being "then what if you made the wrong choice" and stuff. While I, on the other hand, think it's an exciting idea that the starchild's deceit could lead you to (perhaps) the ultimate failure while thinking you're doing a good thing. it really makes the player think. It's not that hard...I mean I couldn't imagine choosing anything BUT destroy after playing all 3 games, unless I was playing as an evil character or something. But I need to respect other people's opinions and ideas<_<

[FellishBeast]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

 And now a moment of silence for Marauder Shields and the Three Husketeers... they will be missed...







EDIT: HAHA! We were thinking the same thing! I will only put my botched photoshop of the Three Husketeers then lol!

Oh c'mon, the roughness makes it all the more legit.  Bravo!

Nice!
I keep forgetting I have photoshop ._.
Need to make something ME-themed before this is all over:huh:

[Vorchia]

Heh, 800 pages late but I guess I should add this if no one else has; if someone has sorry but I wasn't all that compelled to leaf through 800 pages lol. x3

To add to the whole hallucination/indoctrination theory, one thing I noticed was after you go up the beam and injuredly limp through the 'body pit', notice Anderson beats you to the terminal... Yeah he was in better shape, but wow he sure looked pretty clean from that violent run! Also notice, there is no other way to said terminal outside of the passage you took, how did he get there? Anderson states "The beam dropped us off at different sides"... Okay sure, to entertain the thought I could see that possible, I didn't build the citadel and I sure as hell am no beam-transportation tech student. But, to me anyway it just seemed odd for such a verticle beam to not be direct transprort. Then again our landing point was a bit obscure.



I suppose if you wish to argue against how Anderson beat you, you could say the platform shifted or something...? Seems sketchy to me though. After reading all the posts on the start of this topic, I must say this was beautifully constructed. I beat the game and chose the 'destroy' option, and honestly I was/am content with the ending, true it does leave a bit of disclosure to exactly what happened, but it also left a lot of room for fan fiction and DLC, since everyone was/is stuck in the Sol system due to mass relay's going out. (Although I remember somewhere they did start working on our own form of mass relay, and that was before they got their hands on reaper tech, so I could see it possible to get said relays back up and running... a different subject though.) Mixed views, mixed feelings, another time.

OH YEAH, your armor is also decimated, aswell as your gloves, how is Anderson talking to you? No Omni-tool communication, no helmet... ~It's all in your head Shepard~ Hehe. (Unless I'm retarded and it was somehow still in-tact, if so sorry. But yeah! That point there I just said! More fuel to the theory!)

Finally, this isn't me trying to pick apart any unintentional flaws from the story writers, like I said.. I'm content with it and don't see why people are making such a ginormous deal about the ending, true it was kind of silly but it could of been sooooo much worse. My only intents here are to help the theory, to give another stitch for the hole people feel exist so vastly in ME3's ending.


lol these faces, so adorable.

Modifié par Vorchia, 22 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[Arian Dynas]

Also, I'm planning on writing a letter to Dr. Muzyka, basically laying out in full our argument, what we have gathered, what we have picked apart, what we didn't like (provided the endings are taken at face value) and basically why, if the IT is correct, they would easily secure their place as the most brilliant game developer of all time (hint hint) Anyone have suggestions other than the given? (be polite)

Also, as a counter to the "Well what if you took thr wrong choice?" argument... correct me if I am wrong, but last I checked, the game makes an autosave just prior to the choice.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 22 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Pezza360]

I just read the codex entry for Marauders.

"Marauders are harvested turians that command and protect other Reaper troops. The lean, armored creatures present a significant threat in and of themselves, but they are especially dangerous when leading a Reaper task force.
Alliance marines have observed marauders fortifying husks and cannibals by enveloping them in a ribbon of energy that forms a scabby shell of armor. For this reason, when Alliance soldiers encounter a marauder alongside husks or cannibals, standing orders are to target the marauder first."

For this reason, when Alliance soldiers encounter a marauder alongside husks or cannibals, standing orders are to target the marauder first.

TARGET THE MARAUDER FIRST

[Denvian]

Page 800... Almost at post 20000. Wow... say one thing for bioware... they certainly got people talking

[Arian Dynas]

LadyVakarian wrote...

@Totally Not Swaggacide, that is the unfortunate truth...

Yeah, the unfortunate fact of ideas that didn't make the cut. Still works with indoctrination even (breaking down Shepard's will, forcing him to question his descisions, making him feel inadequate ect.)

Personally, I still wanted to see the Liara/Shepard/Virmire Survivor stand off for if you did too badly against Kai Leng, Especially the bit where Leng shoves a length of rebar through Shepard's chest, would have made the man scare the ****** out of me.

[thehomeworld]

FellishBeast wrote...

thehomeworld wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Exicuren wrote...

Uhmm, i don't know if this has already being commented, but about the whole dream thing, i have thought about it well, could harbinger be the one indoctrinating shepard since the beginning? If i remember correctly, harbinger is the only one who can indoctrinate from a distance (a very long distance considering he could control the collectors from unknown space), i remeber the moment shep destroys/cleans the collector base, harbinger stops the control.
My point is that in the invasion to earth, harbinger already knew that shep was there, so his first try to indoctrinate shep was the kid, but when shep leaves earth, harby already knows he fleed from the planet, so he did "long distance" indoc manipulating his dreams. The reason of this hypothesis was the second dream, i saw how the shadows started to gather in one place, exactly where the kid was, so it coud mean that following the kid in the dreams leads shep more and more to be indoctrinated.

That is kind of the implication yes. Harbinger barely appears, and yet he was firmly established as a villain in the previous game, blasts you personally with a laser, and a bunch of other mean stuff.

Also it's great for the theory here,in that it means Bioware actually DO follow up on characters and that Harbinger is actually a much more interesting villain, as well as more effective than you would think just watching the game as is.

I once had a theory that shep being brought back by TIM was actually because he was being brought back by the reapers to use as their Saren from the moment he wakes up on Cerberus's table the new shep is a flesh cylon programmed to think he is the real thing that is why TIM needs shep to think he is shep so the cylon model believes it too and will act like shep would've now adding in Exicuren  idea I could buy that it's Harbi's influence but then all this does for the player is say all of 2 - 3 was a lie it never happened like that or it was really twisted from the lies shep's eyes and ears where telling him the entire time which I don't like. It meant:

You indoctrinated your crew

You blew up the collector base not to FU TIM but because the reapers wanted their old meat lackeys gone to pave the way for their new human lackeys

You blew up the reaper not because it was by product to gaining the IFF but because the reapers didn't want the galaxy to get ahold of it and use its tech against them.

You blew up the Rho relay not because you were back door stopping the reapers but you were back door stopping the galaxy from getting into darkspace were the reapers were

You didn't flee Earth to get help. you fled Earth to bring back all the destructive power they possessed to trap them there with a dud crucible so the reaper could wipe them out.

And all this says the player has control how?

Interesting, I'll give you that, haha. Is there any proof that that relay can get us into darkspace?
And if that's what the Reapers wanted, why did their indoctrinated servants specifically fight against destroying it?

Because the Rho relay like the Illos one only goes one way that's in and the citadel is the only out of darkspace relay so they didn't want people jumping in behind them while they work on getting the citadel or plan # whatever the heck they're up to running again. The reapers are into the whole one way relay thing.

They needed Kensen to seem like she was fighting against its destruction. Remember Kensen was told they would come through that relay but all we saw was a relay being used shep assumes its Rho's relay as Kensen told him. She needed to stay there so the reapers lied to her. They also calculated on the fact the relay would go nova and make the humans be distracted by war with the Batarinas so they would be surprise when the reapers showed up. She was lied to solely to convince shep he was doing it for the better and not for evil she was also the original lore that got him into the range of the Rho beacon so he could receive the updated orders patch because getting rid of the relay meant he'd be on his own for a while and his programming needed to holdout till the could relink back up with him in 6months.

[LadyVakarian]

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

[kyg_20X6]

From Ray's comments, I feel they've already decided on their response (which seems like it'll be content of some description). I think all we can really do now is wait. Feeling exhausted by the whole affair. I'll come back and rage in April (if it's warranted).

[Spectre-61]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

The main reactor of the derelict Reaper was still working. The Reaper would have fallen into the sun if not.

[JimboAdams]

Modifié par JimboAdams, 22 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[LadyVakarian]

variobunz wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

The main reactor of the derelict Reaper was still working. The Reaper would have fallen into the sun if not.

Oh Yeaaaaah. Forgot about that! Thanks, I would have been none the wiser. 

[kaotician]

I don't believe we have to think too hard about the ending not being 'real' at all. For one thing, your clothes are different during it, as are Anderson's too. When did you get time to change, exactly? And more importantly - why? The ending definitely takes place in some 'other' place, and I find the Indoctrination Trial theory the most compelling, and the most evidentially based.

[Denvian]

Can someone explain the origins of the whole "Marauder Shield" thing? Is there a forum post that I missed (obviously) I seem to be out of the loop