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[Arlind Webb]

biggest thing a lot of people miss is the ending itself.... it wasn't one. What I mean is ME1 and 2 ended and you had free roam of the galaxy map for incoming DLC. ME3 did not, it's the only one in the series that puts you back in the game prior to that last mission not to mention this new chapter save feature that lets you jump straight to the ending choices? Come on people... that's the biggest clue of them all!

[kaotician]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

I'm just hoping that the Mass Effect is what brings the Reapers down - hoisted by their own petard, as it were, by which I mean that given that the Mass Effect works by reducing the Mass of an object, that the Crucible inverts this process and makes objects more massive instead, to the point that they implode into a singularity. That'd get rid of the Reapers once and for all, and would remove the lingering undead yet unalive affects of them too.

[Raze4573]

Andersons hat intact, not even scratched/burned/torn/dirty.
Thats the last image of him that Shepard saw when awake so his brain uses the same image to create Anderson the Good Conscience.

[Crasher027]

Raze4573 wrote...

Andersons hat intact, not even scratched/burned/torn/dirty.
Thats the last image of him that Shepard saw when awake so his brain uses the same image to create Anderson the Good Conscience.

Doesn't work, TIM wasn't all cybernetic as of when you raid the cerberus base and he contacts you via vidcom.

[Dein Justin]

Denvian wrote...

Can someone explain the origins of the whole "Marauder Shield" thing? Is there a forum post that I missed (obviously) I seem to be out of the loop

google it..it should now be circling among the meme-net. Hint: Final boss before reaching the citadel.

[IST]

Arlind Webb wrote...

biggest thing a lot of people miss is the ending itself.... it wasn't one. What I mean is ME1 and 2 ended and you had free roam of the galaxy map for incoming DLC. ME3 did not, it's the only one in the series that puts you back in the game prior to that last mission not to mention this new chapter save feature that lets you jump straight to the ending choices? Come on people... that's the biggest clue of them all!

It does lend itself to this, yes. :wizard:

[JimboAdams]

kaotician wrote...

I don't believe we have to think too hard about the ending not being 'real' at all. For one thing, your clothes are different during it, as are Anderson's too. When did you get time to change, exactly? And more importantly - why? The ending definitely takes place in some 'other' place, and I find the Indoctrination Trial theory the most compelling, and the most evidentially based.

Get hit by a stream of molten hot metal and tell me how your wardrobe looks, the "other place" is the supposed catalyst area of the citadel

[JTP117]

Crasher027 wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Andersons hat intact, not even scratched/burned/torn/dirty.
Thats the last image of him that Shepard saw when awake so his brain uses the same image to create Anderson the Good Conscience.

Doesn't work, TIM wasn't all cybernetic as of when you raid the cerberus base and he contacts you via vidcom.

Though that could be Shep's mind again, this is all speculation of course but: Anderson's persona=just, untainted (mostly clean appearance) 

TIM's persona= Corrupt, cruel (a "corrupted" appearance)

Modifié par JTP117, 22 mars 2012 - 07:02 .

[Denvian]

Dein Justin wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Can someone explain the origins of the whole "Marauder Shield" thing? Is there a forum post that I missed (obviously) I seem to be out of the loop

google it..it should now be circling among the meme-net. Hint: Final boss before reaching the citadel.

No I get the whole he tries to stop you from getting into the beam thing and thus trying to save you from Indoctrination but were did he start being called "Marauder Shield"?  

Im a bit of a etymology geek

[Dein Justin]

Arlind Webb wrote...

biggest thing a lot of people miss is the ending itself.... it wasn't one. What I mean is ME1 and 2 ended and you had free roam of the galaxy map for incoming DLC. ME3 did not, it's the only one in the series that puts you back in the game prior to that last mission not to mention this new chapter save feature that lets you jump straight to the ending choices? Come on people... that's the biggest clue of them all!

has been posted before...somewhere in the midst of 800 pages of posts..so, yeah. not actually a clue, and also provides nothing as a continuing plot point or otherwise.

things that have been mentioned before:
- magic gun
- 1M1 mirrored texture
- dead tree nearby the conduit
- voice sync of Sheps for starchild
- symbolism of the 3 choices
- clenching of gut position Shep-Anderson
- huskification signs in the eye on ending
- teleportation of crew and LI and Anderson and TIM
- keepers not dying in ending sequence
- textures of dead people
- living-not-ghost starchild being ignored in intro
- indoctrination codex
- and lots more? (can't remember what else..)

most of these arguments are posted in the OP...so, yeah.

[JimboAdams]

Crasher027 wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Andersons hat intact, not even scratched/burned/torn/dirty.
Thats the last image of him that Shepard saw when awake so his brain uses the same image to create Anderson the Good Conscience.

Doesn't work, TIM wasn't all cybernetic as of when you raid the cerberus base and he contacts you via vidcom.

Did TIM leave the cerberus base completely intact, and did he get through all the reaper forces completely unscathed too? TIM could have had any number of cybernetic implants, he was never really shown other than smoking, sitting in a chair, or standing at pointing at you. Whatever else happened on that station between me2-me3 is completely unknown. Besides we're supposed to be representing the chaos side(indoctrinated) what else would give that away other than cybernetic/organic beings

Modifié par JimboAdams, 22 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Rifneno]

LadyVakarian wrote...

variobunz wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

The main reactor of the derelict Reaper was still working. The Reaper would have fallen into the sun if not.

Oh Yeaaaaah. Forgot about that! Thanks, I would have been none the wiser. 

Well I doubt the eezo core has much if anything to do with indoctrination.  The codex actually gives us a vague explanation of how it works now, and it definitely sounds like an active process.  Although it also sounds like one of the most deeply embedded and thus difficult to destroy/disable.

BTW, something I've wondered...  Harbinger is said to be the leader of the Reapers, right?  Isn't it odd that no species has ever killed him just to say "FU" on their way out if nothing else?  Reapers are hard to defeat in conventional warfare, as in that taking down the entire fleet is pretty much impossible, but if you focus on one capital ship it's screwed.  Especially if you don't use mass accelerator weapons.  Reapers' main defenses are their simply incredible kinetic barriers.  If you use something like a thermonuclear weapon, they won't even know what hit them.

[Dein Justin]

Denvian wrote...

Dein Justin wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Can someone explain the origins of the whole "Marauder Shield" thing? Is there a forum post that I missed (obviously) I seem to be out of the loop

google it..it should now be circling among the meme-net. Hint: Final boss before reaching the citadel.

No I get the whole he tries to stop you from getting into the beam thing and thus trying to save you from Indoctrination but were did he start being called "Marauder Shield"?  

Im a bit of a etymology geek

noticed how there's a name on top of your targets? Marauders has Shields, and thus he's aptly named Marauder Shields. but if you shoot him by the numbers, he will evolve into Marauder Health, the split persona of Marauder Shields...

but still..even with transformation, he failed at his job of holding the line..oh, why...

[kaotician]

JimboAdams wrote...

kaotician wrote...

I don't believe we have to think too hard about the ending not being 'real' at all. For one thing, your clothes are different during it, as are Anderson's too. When did you get time to change, exactly? And more importantly - why? The ending definitely takes place in some 'other' place, and I find the Indoctrination Trial theory the most compelling, and the most evidentially based.

Get hit by a stream of molten hot metal and tell me how your wardrobe looks, the "other place" is the supposed catalyst area of the citadel

You're not suggesting the Reaper beam shot my clothes off, are you? It's pretty clear to me the Citadel/Crucible sequence isn't real at all.

[lex0r11]

Denvian wrote...

Dein Justin wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Can someone explain the origins of the whole "Marauder Shield" thing? Is there a forum post that I missed (obviously) I seem to be out of the loop

google it..it should now be circling among the meme-net. Hint: Final boss before reaching the citadel.

No I get the whole he tries to stop you from getting into the beam thing and thus trying to save you from Indoctrination but were did he start being called "Marauder Shield"?  

Im a bit of a etymology geek

'nuff said.

[Vahilor]

Probably a little of topic.. but allways talking of people without internet: I think the majority of people today has internet and that is the crowd the companys are focusing on. So the few people without internet don't really matter or need to wait a little longer to get their "Downloads" via Disc, DVD or special edition (like Fallout 3 with all DLs included).
Even on most games it is stated that you need internet to play the full content.

[Denvian]

lex0r11 wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Dein Justin wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Can someone explain the origins of the whole "Marauder Shield" thing? Is there a forum post that I missed (obviously) I seem to be out of the loop

google it..it should now be circling among the meme-net. Hint: Final boss before reaching the citadel.

No I get the whole he tries to stop you from getting into the beam thing and thus trying to save you from Indoctrination but were did he start being called "Marauder Shield"?  

Im a bit of a etymology geek

'nuff said.

riiiiigh... Got it. 

http://hisnamewasmar...lds.tumblr.com/ 

Modifié par Denvian, 22 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[Pezza360]

kaotician wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

I'm just hoping that the Mass Effect is what brings the Reapers down - hoisted by their own petard, as it were, by which I mean that given that the Mass Effect works by reducing the Mass of an object, that the Crucible inverts this process and makes objects more massive instead, to the point that they implode into a singularity. That'd get rid of the Reapers once and for all, and would remove the lingering undead yet unalive affects of them too.

Nice. And does anyone recall a conversation with EDI, she mentions that Liara was looking into something about how The Mass Effect only occured in the Milky Way? And then something about 1 + 1 = 3. This ended up having no relevance to the ending. There are many things like this, they are sometimes called red herrings - an elusion to a potential significant plot element which ends up being a false hint.
As well as this conversation are many other of these hints which are never concluded - The sun on Haestrom collapsing due to dark energy? The data about it being of extreme importance? Worth Tali's whole squad dying for?

Element zero releases dark energy when subjected to a pwoerful electric current, creating a mass effect field. 

The mass effect creates this dark energy.
This leaves a lot to speculate about potential endings, that unfortunately didn't (or haven't) happen(ed). 

[Vahilor]

And sorry for dopple post:

I was playing the end again yesterday and looked around a little before entering the beam up to the citadel:

I didn't see any of my team mates dead (I had Garrus and Ash with me) only some dead male humans from hammer team.. You see some destroyed Macos and this wired "Rubble".
Also a took a closer look on the bushes and had the impression they even don't look like real bushes... more like shadows that change when you change the angle of the light source.

[BaKaNoOB]

 http://hisnamewasmar...lds.tumblr.com/  

LOL Very nice

Modifié par BaKaNoOB, 22 mars 2012 - 07:15 .

[Dein Justin]

[quote]Denvian wrote...

[quote]lex0r11 wrote...

[quote]Denvian wrote...



'nuff said.

[/quote]

riiiiigh... Got it. 

http://hisnamewasmar...lds.tumblr.com/ 




[/quote]

that comic from koobarex is very good. heck, if he were to draw a comic for the tales of Marauder Shields into a graphic novel..wow. I like the part where he links Nihlus into being him.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Gamespot has no idea why we are upset

[Spectre-61]

Pezza360 wrote...

kaotician wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Hey guys, just had a weird thought. So back in ME2 we established that even dead/derelict reapers could indoctrinate, right? So what happens to earth and space that now just so happen to be COVERED in derelict reapers? Food for thought (or just my mind raging)

I'm just hoping that the Mass Effect is what brings the Reapers down - hoisted by their own petard, as it were, by which I mean that given that the Mass Effect works by reducing the Mass of an object, that the Crucible inverts this process and makes objects more massive instead, to the point that they implode into a singularity. That'd get rid of the Reapers once and for all, and would remove the lingering undead yet unalive affects of them too.

Nice. And does anyone recall a conversation with EDI, she mentions that Liara was looking into something about how The Mass Effect only occured in the Milky Way? And then something about 1 + 1 = 3. This ended up having no relevance to the ending. There are many things like this, they are sometimes called red herrings - an elusion to a potential significant plot element which ends up being a false hint.
As well as this conversation are many other of these hints which are never concluded - The sun on Haestrom collapsing due to dark energy? The data about it being of extreme importance? Worth Tali's whole squad dying for?

Element zero releases dark energy when subjected to a pwoerful electric current, creating a mass effect field. 

The mass effect creates this dark energy.
This leaves a lot to speculate about potential endings, that unfortunately didn't (or haven't) happen(ed). 

Another thing that didn't come up:
In ME2 when TIM tells you about the Reaper IFF. He told us that he scrambled teams to either find the Reaper or the mass accelerator weapon that penetrated the Reaper. And they found BOTH.
But that didn't come up in ME3, right? Such a weapon would be pretty useful. A well placed shot could take out a few Reapers at once.

Modifié par variobunz, 22 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[noobcannon]

Arian Dynas wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, can someone explain for me why Dr.Muzyka's letter supposedly kills the IT?

it doesn't. i read it twice just to be sure.

Lovely, mind explaining how? From where I stand it makes the endings look like they were the original intent.

That's really the only bit of heartburn I have right now.

he talks about working hard to address our feedback, provide more closure, and providing more clarity. he never says "alternate ending" or "new endiing". at least that's what i interpreted. not sure why people think it shoots down the indoc theory.

[Crasher027]

JimboAdams wrote...

 Did TIM leave the cerberus base completely intact, and did he get through all the reaper forces completely unscathed too? TIM could have had any number of cybernetic implants, he was never really shown other than smoking, sitting in a chair, or standing at pointing at you. Whatever else happened on that station between me2-me3 is completely unknown. Besides we're supposed to be representing the chaos side(indoctrinated) what else would give that away other than cybernetic/organic beings

That's all speculation, the point I was exercising was that their appearances aren't neccisarily based off the condition you last saw them in, elsewise TIM would look like he normally did, human with the freaky eyes.

Modifié par Crasher027, 22 mars 2012 - 07:34 .