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[MalexT]

variobunz wrote...

Another thing that didn't come up:
In ME2 when TIM tells you about the Reaper IFF. He told us that he scrambled teams to either find the Reaper or the mass accelerator weapon that penetrated the Reaper. And they found BOTH.
But that didn't come up in ME3, right? Such a weapon would be pretty useful. A well placed shot could take out a few Reapers at once.

I didn't see anything about it mentioned in ME3; at least, not that I recall. It makes sense. The weapon had been found by Cerberus, which has an agenda of controlling the reapers, not destroying them. Shepard probably never even knew where it was, and even if he did, no one at Alliance HQ was willing to believe him, so they wouldn't have followed up on it.
Also, having a viable alternative to the Space Magic Crucible would have diminished its importance to the war effort - why place all your bets on it when you have no idea what it's meant to do or if it will work if you have an alternative of proven effectiveness? - which would have undermined the narrative of the ending, regardless of whether you think it was all happening in Shepard's mind or not, so even from a meta-game perspective, removing it makes sense.

[MalexT]

LadyVakarian wrote...
and wrote again.

I won't quote the whole big post with pictures, just the link will do. Thanks so much for that, that's a great catch!

[Erethrian]

MalexT wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...
and wrote again.

I won't quote the whole big post with pictures, just the link will do. Thanks so much for that, that's a great catch!

Yep, good catch.

[noobcannon]

Erethrian wrote...

MalexT wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...
and wrote again.

I won't quote the whole big post with pictures, just the link will do. Thanks so much for that, that's a great catch!

Yep, good catch.

speculations for everyone!

[Erethrian]

noobcannon wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

MalexT wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...
and wrote again.

I won't quote the whole big post with pictures, just the link will do. Thanks so much for that, that's a great catch!

Yep, good catch.

speculations for everyone!

That's what they wanted, that's what we're giving to them. And also, waiting for April 6th, too, now. ^^

[noobcannon]

Erethrian wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

MalexT wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...
and wrote again.

I won't quote the whole big post with pictures, just the link will do. Thanks so much for that, that's a great catch!

Yep, good catch.

speculations for everyone!

That's what they wanted, that's what we're giving to them. And also, waiting for April 6th, too, now. ^^

it's so far away. uuuuggghh.

[RyanHensley2010]

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.

[Vahilor]

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.

BW will give us some news of the upcoming DLCs.

[noobcannon]

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.

PAX East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an indoctrination theory reveal.

[Hashbeth]

noobcannon wrote...

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.

PAX East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an indoctrination theory reveal.

If not a reveal then hopefully they will take some merits of the theory to mind. As I have grown fond of saying, there is the "Indoctrination Theory" and the "Indoctrination Conspiracy".
If the latter isn't true, the theory still has loads  of options they could use for changing the ending, without having to change the original content from being canon

[Arian Dynas]

noobcannon wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, can someone explain for me why Dr.Muzyka's letter supposedly kills the IT?

it doesn't. i read it twice just to be sure.

Lovely, mind explaining how? From where I stand it makes the endings look like they were the original intent.

That's really the only bit of heartburn I have right now.

he talks about working hard to address our feedback, provide more closure, and providing more clarity. he never says "alternate ending" or "new endiing". at least that's what i interpreted. not sure why people think it shoots down the indoc theory.

It's mostly because, reading it you very much get the feeling of "This is what was planned, and nothing more. We are completely suprised and taken aback by this, and thus could not have planned for it." That's why.

Also, forget April 6th, we'll likely just get some smarmy "Wait and seeee! :P" response.

When do I expect them to reveal something, if anything? April 11th.

Why? That's Shepard's birthday.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 22 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[RyanHensley2010]

Thanks for the update everyone. I sure hope they at least mention the ending.

[JimboAdams]

kaotician wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

kaotician wrote...

I don't believe we have to think too hard about the ending not being 'real' at all. For one thing, your clothes are different during it, as are Anderson's too. When did you get time to change, exactly? And more importantly - why? The ending definitely takes place in some 'other' place, and I find the Indoctrination Trial theory the most compelling, and the most evidentially based.

Get hit by a stream of molten hot metal and tell me how your wardrobe looks, the "other place" is the supposed catalyst area of the citadel

You're not suggesting the Reaper beam shot my clothes off, are you? It's pretty clear to me the Citadel/Crucible sequence isn't real at all.

I'm suggesting that the armor is exactly the same just damaged beyond recognition, and the whole point of the IT is that whole ending sequence after being hit by the laser is actually false and just an inner conflict in which Shepard overcomes or succumbs to reaper indoctrination. In theory at least

[Legion109]

April 6th has now been elected as Marauder Shields day we should all dress like this valiant hero who tried so hard to protect us from the rEApers.

- We dont hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -


Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination caused by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

[IST]

noobcannon wrote...

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.

PAX East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an indoctrination theory reveal.

Yes Please x 1000 :happy:

[TheVolusSuck]

When shepard is in TIM's base, Edi directs him to look at the first console you come across. After watching the video on the Lazarus project, he says something along the lines of "Maybe im an AI designed to think its shepard"

I really was hoping Bioware would develop upon that. That would have been a dark plot twist I could enjoy. Instead we got this Starchild BS.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

When shepard is in TIM's base, Edi directs him to look at the first console you come across. After watching the video on the Lazarus project, he says something along the lines of "Maybe im an AI designed to think its shepard"

I really was hoping Bioware would develop upon that. That would have been a dark plot twist I could enjoy. Instead we got this Starchild BS.

Yeah, that was weird. When Shep said that I was like "... DUN DUN DUUUN" but then it was never mentioned again. Why even bring it up?

[Arian Dynas]

Watching the indoctrination video again, something occurred to me.

I think I have figured out why it is short term indoctrination destroys the target more quickly than patient, slow indoctrination does.

Indoctrination is insidious because it damns you based on your choices, it's not brainwashing, not forcing you to think differently, or really even force you to do anything you don't want to. When done slowly.

Indoctrination is damning because YOU chose it. If it gets to a severe enough point, like it has with Shepard, then indoctrination is about making you damn yourself. Harbinger WANTS you to believe as he does, he is putting you in a situation where the only agreeable outcome he tries to present, is agreeing with him, choosing the lesser of two evils. Fast indoctrination is simply brainwashing, brute force, forcing the reaper's mind down on the individual, either blanking them out for simplicity's sake, or leaving them able to fight back, basically strangling themselves against their bonds.

Slow indoctrination is seduction, offering an easy "right" answer to complex questions. It's the fast way out.

It's about making the subject fulfill the Reaper's will, without them even knowing it.

[Blackwolf0519]

In a conversation with Miranda She mentions wanting to put a chip in shepard's head or something but TIM wouldn't allow her because he wanted shep's full potential. I personally don't think he is an AI programmed to think he is Shepard.

[Vahilor]

Somwere it is also mentioned he is mainly still organic.. I think it was somwere in ME 2.

[Arian Dynas]

Vahilor wrote...

Somwere it is also mentioned he is mainly still organic.. I think it was somwere in ME 2.

Jacob Taylor - "You're still you, you've got a few extra bits and peices inside."

Also, if he WAS an AI, what would be the point of the 6 Million Dollar Man style restoration scene? (watching Shepard's dead heart slowy begin to beat again, grey, dead flesh slowly turning pink and living again)

[JimboAdams]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Watching the indoctrination video again, something occurred to me.

I think I have figured out why it is short term indoctrination destroys the target more quickly than patient, slow indoctrination does.

Indoctrination is insidious because it damns you based on your choices, it's not brainwashing, not forcing you to think differently, or really even force you to do anything you don't want to. When done slowly.

Indoctrination is damning because YOU chose it. If it gets to a severe enough point, like it has with Shepard, then indoctrination is about making you damn yourself. Harbinger WANTS you to believe as he does, he is putting you in a situation where the only agreeable outcome he tries to present, is agreeing with him, choosing the lesser of two evils. Fast indoctrination is simply brainwashing, brute force, forcing the reaper's mind down on the individual, either blanking them out for simplicity's sake, or leaving them able to fight back, basically strangling themselves against their bonds.

Slow indoctrination is seduction, offering an easy "right" answer to complex questions. It's the fast way out.

It's about making the subject fulfill the Reaper's will, without them even knowing it.

I'm not intending to be a dick, but that is what's stated in the video.

[Pezza360]

DEMIKLY wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.

PAX East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an indoctrination theory reveal.

Yes Please x 1000 :happy:

PAX is on April 6th 7th and 8th right?

Mass Effect 3 was released on the 6th of March?

One Month and One Day?

1M1. April 7th is my guess.

[Arian Dynas]

JimboAdams wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Watching the indoctrination video again, something occurred to me.

I think I have figured out why it is short term indoctrination destroys the target more quickly than patient, slow indoctrination does.

Indoctrination is insidious because it damns you based on your choices, it's not brainwashing, not forcing you to think differently, or really even force you to do anything you don't want to. When done slowly.

Indoctrination is damning because YOU chose it. If it gets to a severe enough point, like it has with Shepard, then indoctrination is about making you damn yourself. Harbinger WANTS you to believe as he does, he is putting you in a situation where the only agreeable outcome he tries to present, is agreeing with him, choosing the lesser of two evils. Fast indoctrination is simply brainwashing, brute force, forcing the reaper's mind down on the individual, either blanking them out for simplicity's sake, or leaving them able to fight back, basically strangling themselves against their bonds.

Slow indoctrination is seduction, offering an easy "right" answer to complex questions. It's the fast way out.

It's about making the subject fulfill the Reaper's will, without them even knowing it.

I'm not intending to be a dick, but that is what's stated in the video.

Not explicitly, but *shrug* just me, stating my thoughts on the subject. Personally, this is why I love the idea of indoctrination, an ending that not only is a battle for the character's mind, but their very soul? It's not videogamey, it's not paticularly trite, can't recall a videogame where it's been done, it's personal, it's close to the heart, driving right to the CORE of what makes Shepard a hero. Now THAT is an ending worthy of memory.

[michal9o90]

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 08:52 .