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#20051
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Pezza360 wrote...

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What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.


PAX East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an indoctrination theory reveal.

Yes Please x 1000 :happy:


PAX is on April 6th 7th and 8th right?

Mass Effect 3 was released on the 6th of March?

One Month and One Day?

1M1. April 7th is my guess.


Going by what I said about 100 pages back, I am still saying that this was all planned. For them to tweet saying "have faith" and "if only you knew what we had in store for you", and now they are going to make a statement in exactly a months time just sounds so right to me. Leave the ending open with lots of theorys "lots of room for speculation!" with the intention of telling everyone a month later "when more people have played the game" for them to say what exactly happened "The indoctrination theory is completely true" ;) hehe I hope!

Just sounds so right and if this theory is true then this is EXACTLY how EA/Bioware would go about it. I think the hints were just a little too subtle at first which is why so many people have got angry about it. I genuinley think they wanted us to realise what had happened much easier, then say BOOM carry on playing a month later.

The sales of ME3 are killing it, PR stunts, cryptic messages. It all points to something special.

Holding the line! 

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Pezza360 wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.


PAX East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an indoctrination theory reveal.

Yes Please x 1000 :happy:


PAX is on April 6th 7th and 8th right?

Mass Effect 3 was released on the 6th of March?

One Month and One Day?

1M1. April 7th is my guess.


I don't know if I'll be able to wait one more day, hahaha, curiosity is killing me! :)


CitadelSurfer wrote...

Pezza360 wrote...

DEMIKLY wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

What's happening on April 6th? I don't have rreliable Internet, so I'm out of the loop on news.


PAX
East. It will be the first time bioware will answer questions from fans
since before the release and many (myself included) are hoping for an
indoctrination theory reveal.

Yes Please x 1000 [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]


PAX is on April 6th 7th and 8th right?

Mass Effect 3 was released on the 6th of March?

One Month and One Day?

1M1. April 7th is my guess.


Going
by what I said about 100 pages back, I am still saying that this was
all planned. For them to tweet saying "have faith" and "if only you knew
what we had in store for you", and now they are going to make a
statement in exactly a months time just sounds so right to me. Leave the
ending open with lots of theorys "lots of room for speculation!" with
the intention of telling everyone a month later "when more people have
played the game" for them to say what exactly happened "The
indoctrination theory is completely true" ;) hehe I hope!

Just
sounds so right and if this theory is true then this is EXACTLY how
EA/Bioware would go about it. I think the hints were just a little too
subtle at first which is why so many people have got angry about it. I
genuinley think they wanted us to realise what had happened much easier,
then say BOOM carry on playing a month later.

The sales of ME3 are killing it, PR stunts, cryptic messages. It all points to something special.

Holding the line! 


Indeed, I think the PR talk is completely needed right now. They're dealing with refunds, FTC complaints, bad reviews from fans, I'm sure they couldn't expect this reaction. :) And those messages, and the ones about the saves... :)

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 08:58 .


#20053
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Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture

Full size Image -> http://i202.photobuc...ReaperSpine.jpg



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Modifié par Denvian, 22 mars 2012 - 09:16 .


#20054
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michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.

#20055
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Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture




Posted Image


Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 09:09 .


#20056
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Let's hope the new ending makes all the running around gathering war assets worth it. Did they do anything to affect the gameplay because I simply can't tell if my actions of maxing war assests did anything

#20057
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Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture




Posted Image


Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.


I have been flamed so much today I cannot tell if you are
being facetious lol.  

#20058
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JimboAdams wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.


Well maybe synthetic implants  but still organic, not AI, red ending just destroying all AI, not machines, look on earth, Mako still is there, after shockwave. And sorry for capslook. But still he shouldn't survive this explosion.

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 09:16 .


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The more I think about this theory the more I believe it HAS to be true. I'm absolutely smitten with the subtle symbolism of the premise. I couldn't take the staggering number of errors and then unheralded pseudo-deux ex machina end-choice at face value. Planned or not Bioware has a way to transmute a steaming pile of manure into a lauded twist of remarkable narrative ingenuity; leaving artistic integrity unscathed.

Just do it Bioware.

Modifié par Comsky159, 22 mars 2012 - 09:18 .


#20060
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Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture




Posted Image


Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.


ID theory aside...doesn't it seem weird that only the Human Reaper has a form other than squid/insect-like? It's as if previous species were all insectoid bipeds during the Prothean cycle, the Inusannon cycle and before that. In ME2, they said that the Reaper's form takes upon the species that they preserved...but hey..only a minor alterations here and there between Reapers.

Other than that, good catch. Could be well another hint for items being recollected from Shep's memory. Talks of plans and saving saves are all for naught if BW doesn't deliver fast. Make it so, BW! :wizard:

#20061
Erethrian

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Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture




Posted Image


Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.


I have been flamed so much today I cannot tell if you are
being facetious lol.  


:S Not at all, I finished my second playthrough today and the thing you have to shoot at the "destroy" ending seems like the ones above the reaper to me... Maybe it's just me... Again, not being facetious... :/

#20062
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Comsky159 wrote...

The more I think about this theory the more I believe it HAS to be true. I'm absolutely smitten with the subtle symbolism of the premise. I couldn't take the staggering number of errors and then unheralded pseudo-deux ex machina end-choice at face value. Planned or not Bioware has a way to transmute a steaming pile of manure into a lauded twist of remarkable narrative ingenuity; leaving artistic integrity unscathed.

Just do it Bioware.


Really I think the only really good evidence that I heard against IT is that Bioware would being taking a huge risk in not reveling the true nature of the end because they are taking quite a bit of heat about the ending.  

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michal9o90 wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.


Well maybe synthetic implants  but still organic, not AI, red ending just destroying all AI, not machines, look on earth, Mako still is there, after shockwave. And sorry for capslook. But still he shouldn't survive this explosion.


The Normandy is almost destroyed thanks to the energy of the relays/crucible.

#20064
Denvian

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Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture




Posted Image


Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.


I have been flamed so much today I cannot tell if you are
being facetious lol.  


:S Not at all, I finished my second playthrough today and the thing you have to shoot at the "destroy" ending seems like the ones above the reaper to me... Maybe it's just me... Again, not being facetious... :/


No worries dude... Like I said I have spent the day getting told that I am crazy.

#20065
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Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.


Well maybe synthetic implants  but still organic, not AI, red ending just destroying all AI, not machines, look on earth, Mako still is there, after shockwave. And sorry for capslook. But still he shouldn't survive this explosion.


The Normandy is almost destroyed thanks to the energy of the relays/crucible.


But all the fleets were very close to the Crucible. They should have all blown up if the energy really was harmful to ships

#20066
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Have u ever think about the possibility, that Shepard got resurected with Reaper Tech?
As we know from the books, Cerberus came across it many times and it never got revealed how the Lazarus Project was working. TIM got this sort of Tech inside his body, too (ME Comic Evolution)
And what do we know about the red scars, which appearing after renegade actions? ;)
Imagine beeing renegade in ME2, 3 is some sort of listining to the reaper whispering. They may want u to kill innocent scientists or doing genocides, or even trusting Cerberus ;)
If u do so the reaper tech gets stronger and therefore u can see more and more of it on Shepards skin. Ofc its a much weaker and basicly controlled reapertech, but it may still have influence on Shepard same as TIM.

Sounds good to me so far =)

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Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.


Well maybe synthetic implants  but still organic, not AI, red ending just destroying all AI, not machines, look on earth, Mako still is there, after shockwave. And sorry for capslook. But still he shouldn't survive this explosion.


The Normandy is almost destroyed thanks to the energy of the relays/crucible.


I sort of attributed that to what EDI said earilier in the game about her systems being spread through the ship to the point were there is little difference between EDI and the Normandy

#20068
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Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture




Posted Image


Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.


I have been flamed so much today I cannot tell if you are
being facetious lol.  


:S Not at all, I finished my second playthrough today and the thing you have to shoot at the "destroy" ending seems like the ones above the reaper to me... Maybe it's just me... Again, not being facetious... :/


No worries dude... Like I said I have spent the day getting told that I am crazy.

It gets old right?  Dang haters.. haha.. :happy:

#20069
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Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

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...


:S Not at all, I finished my second playthrough today and the thing you have to shoot at the "destroy" ending seems like the ones above the reaper to me... Maybe it's just me... Again, not being facetious... :/


No worries dude... Like I said I have spent the day getting told that I am crazy.


No problem, mate. And also, you're right it looks like its spine. (missed that too).

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 09:27 .


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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.


Well maybe synthetic implants  but still organic, not AI, red ending just destroying all AI, not machines, look on earth, Mako still is there, after shockwave. And sorry for capslook. But still he shouldn't survive this explosion.


The Normandy is almost destroyed thanks to the energy of the relays/crucible.


But all the fleets were very close to the Crucible. They should have all blown up if the energy really was harmful to ships


Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

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If this Indoctrination theory is correct, and Bioware pull it off, for me it will be the greatest ending of all time. A true masterpiece that has had the whole community speculating, gathering evidence, arguing, frustrated . I love it. So much more involving and intriguing than any other video game I've ever played.

Please don't just be what it is and SPACE MAGIC and a annoying kid is what we are left with to end this amazing trilogy.

#20072
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michal9o90 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

I have simple conclusion about this indocritnation theory. If it isn't so how shepard still can be alive in red ending, after destroying citadel, he was in the middle of the explosion.

THIS ONE SENTENCE, SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR PROVE TO ALL BIOWARE EMPLOYERS AND GAMERS, ENDING IS STUPID!

Capslock doesn't prove your point faster, he shouldn't have, we all agree. He blew up all synthetics within the galaxy, which if you paid attention to the series, Shepard is held together by synthetic implants due to dying in ME and being brought back by the lazarus project in ME2.


Well maybe synthetic implants  but still organic, not AI, red ending just destroying all AI, not machines, look on earth, Mako still is there, after shockwave. And sorry for capslook. But still he shouldn't survive this explosion.


The Normandy is almost destroyed thanks to the energy of the relays/crucible.


But all the fleets were very close to the Crucible. They should have all blown up if the energy really was harmful to ships


Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.


Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

If this Indoctrination theory is correct, and Bioware pull it off, for me it will be the greatest ending of all time. A true masterpiece that has had the whole community speculating, gathering evidence, arguing, frustrated . I love it. So much more involving and intriguing than any other video game I've ever played.

Please don't just be what it is and SPACE MAGIC and a annoying kid is what we are left with to end this amazing trilogy.

but if it turns out that bioware wont be doing anything, people will get even more pissed.

perhaps that is why so many denies the theory, they don't want to get another reason to be pissed off, if it turns out that bioware ment it to end like this.

Hopefully they will come out with something, perhaps in april/mai

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Gernbuster wrote...

Have u ever think about the possibility, that Shepard got resurected with Reaper Tech?
As we know from the books, Cerberus came across it many times and it never got revealed how the Lazarus Project was working. TIM got this sort of Tech inside his body, too (ME Comic Evolution)
And what do we know about the red scars, which appearing after renegade actions? ;)
Imagine beeing renegade in ME2, 3 is some sort of listining to the reaper whispering. They may want u to kill innocent scientists or doing genocides, or even trusting Cerberus ;)
If u do so the reaper tech gets stronger and therefore u can see more and more of it on Shepards skin. Ofc its a much weaker and basicly controlled reapertech, but it may still have influence on Shepard same as TIM.

Sounds good to me so far =)


OMG yeah, lying on the ground, surrounded by debris. YEAH THIS IS laboratory conditions for restore someone's life. WHAT A BULL SH*T :blink:

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michal9o90 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Have u ever think about the possibility, that Shepard got resurected with Reaper Tech?
As we know from the books, Cerberus came across it many times and it never got revealed how the Lazarus Project was working. TIM got this sort of Tech inside his body, too (ME Comic Evolution)
And what do we know about the red scars, which appearing after renegade actions? ;)
Imagine beeing renegade in ME2, 3 is some sort of listining to the reaper whispering. They may want u to kill innocent scientists or doing genocides, or even trusting Cerberus ;)
If u do so the reaper tech gets stronger and therefore u can see more and more of it on Shepards skin. Ofc its a much weaker and basicly controlled reapertech, but it may still have influence on Shepard same as TIM.

Sounds good to me so far =)


OMG yeah, lying on the ground, surrounded by debris. YEAH THIS IS laboratory conditions for restore someone's life. WHAT A BULL SH*T :blink:


I think he meant the first time he was rebuilt.  As in Lazarus used reaper tech.  It would make sense considering the Doctor checked on your implants earlier thus calling a little attention to them.  Of course she said they did not seem unusual but that always makes me suspicious

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