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[monrapias]

They found him! marauder shields is the store clerk.

[michal9o90]

hmm maybe, to much comments in to short time.

[Denvian]

michal9o90 wrote...

hmm maybe, to much comments in to short time.

Head go boom

[Mixon]

Byne, I really hope that ur theory will be true... If so, well.. It means that Bioware still can impress!!!!

And thank you for your hard work.

[Gernbuster]

michal9o90 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Have u ever think about the possibility, that Shepard got resurected with Reaper Tech?
As we know from the books, Cerberus came across it many times and it never got revealed how the Lazarus Project was working. TIM got this sort of Tech inside his body, too (ME Comic Evolution)
And what do we know about the red scars, which appearing after renegade actions?
Imagine beeing renegade in ME2, 3 is some sort of listining to the reaper whispering. They may want u to kill innocent scientists or doing genocides, or even trusting Cerberus
If u do so the reaper tech gets stronger and therefore u can see more and more of it on Shepards skin. Ofc its a much weaker and basicly controlled reapertech, but it may still have influence on Shepard same as TIM.

Sounds good to me so far =)

OMG yeah, lying on the ground, surrounded by debris. YEAH THIS IS laboratory conditions for restore someone's life. WHAT A BULL SH*T

I meant at the beginning of ME2 -.- isnt it obvious??? He is completly dead for at least days. It was never possible to resurect people. Shepard was the first who was ever brought back to live. MAYBE WITH REAPERTECH?????
And the fact that he got Reapertech inside is body may support indoctrination theorie.
THAT WAS MY STATEMENT

[WebFoo]

monrapias wrote...

They found him! marauder shields is the store clerk.

Ha ha.... before watching the video I thought you meant the one in ME2, the one that wants a Geth's head as a lamp:
http://youtu.be/DT__J_59-TM?t=38s

Modifié par bdragon, 22 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Primula Nightfall]

Dein Justin wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture

Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.

ID theory aside...doesn't it seem weird that only the Human Reaper has a form other than squid/insect-like? It's as if previous species were all insectoid bipeds during the Prothean cycle, the Inusannon cycle and before that. In ME2, they said that the Reaper's form takes upon the species that they preserved...but hey..only a minor alterations here and there between Reapers.

Other than that, good catch. Could be well another hint for items being recollected from Shep's memory. Talks of plans and saving saves are all for naught if BW doesn't deliver fast. Make it so, BW! 

The "squid" form is just due to the outer shell of the Reapers. They just found out that this is the optimal shape for spacefaring. Their inner core is different, and each one mirrors the shape of the species that was used to create each Reaper.

Even the Human reaper, if it had been completed, would have been provided with a "squid-like armor".

Source: Wikia

Modifié par Primula Nightfall, 22 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[Primula Nightfall]

Double post fail.

Modifié par Primula Nightfall, 22 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[michal9o90]

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

See, this is what i meant. I can't say what is right or wrong too. But there is TO MUCH, unknow for accept this endind.
Besides like i said it thousands of times. Where we have this not linear plot game. Even if we thought ME1 and ME2, is not linear, beacuse at least even ME1 had 2 endings. Let die council or not. Then on the ending In ME3 you discovering this all earlier not linear plot was just an Illusion, to make fans bielive in what bioware saying.

[michal9o90]

Gernbuster wrote...

I meant at the beginning of ME2 -.- isnt it obvious??? He is completly dead for at least days. It was never possible to resurect people. Shepard was the first who was ever brought back to live. MAYBE WITH REAPERTECH?????
And the fact that he got Reapertech inside is body may support indoctrination theorie.
THAT WAS MY STATEMENT

Yeah you have point, and sorry for miss understanding.

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Gernbuster]

michal9o90 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I meant at the beginning of ME2 -.- isnt it obvious??? He is completly dead for at least days. It was never possible to resurect people. Shepard was the first who was ever brought back to live. MAYBE WITH REAPERTECH?????
And the fact that he got Reapertech inside is body may support indoctrination theorie.
THAT WAS MY STATEMENT

Yeah you have point, and sorry for miss understanding.

^^ np

[Mixon]

michal9o90 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

See, this is what i meant. I can't say what is right or wrong too. But there is TO MUCH, unknow for accept this endind.
Besides like i said it thousands of times. Where we have this not linear plot game. Even if we thought ME1 and ME2, is not linear, beacuse at least even ME1 had 2 endings. Let die council or not. Then on the ending In ME3 you discovering this all earlier not linear plot was just an Illusion, to make fans bielive in what bioware saying.

If this theory is true, means nobody dies, Shepard will just woke up still in London and his "last jorney" will continue and then we will see the real Citadel with real ending or something, because all we saw (again if this theory will be aproved) was just in Shepard's head.

[MacNeill]

I didn't mind the ending to begin with cause my Shepard still survived and I assume Miranda would be back on Earth waiting for him so he got a happy ending I guess.
But this indoctrination idea makes it all even better and I definitely appreciate the ending a lot more with it in mind. Hopefully it's true and we get DLC that takes place after it.

[Erethrian]

michal9o90 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

See, this is what i meant. I can't say what is right or wrong too. But there is TO MUCH, unknow for accept this endind.
Besides like i said it thousands of times. Where we have this not linear plot game. Even if we thought ME1 and ME2, is not linear, beacuse at least even ME1 had 2 endings. Let die council or not. Then on the ending In ME3 you discovering this all earlier not linear plot was just an Illusion, to make fans bielive in what bioware saying.

Yep, in fact I believe in the IT not just because of the things not making sense, or the actual plot holes. I think it can be true because they said (even if they were talking about TIM) they scrapped a final battle against a boss. The only way to win against a final boss is killing it. They stated, though, that the battle they wanted to add was one of the mind. So why not?  Then, the only way to win against the attempt of indoctrination is to choose the right choice. Maybe, the final "battle" is in the game, and that's why I always said the game is completed. We just/still need the closure to it.

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[CitadelSurfer]

Primula Nightfall wrote...

Dein Justin wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Anybody notice that the choice/conduit to destroy the
reapers looks a lot like the human reapers spine?

I remember thinking this and I really can’t find a great
picture in game while fighting it (which is when it is red) but I made a little
picture

Amazing, it really looks like the things you had to destroy in ME2 to stop the creation of the human reaper.

ID theory aside...doesn't it seem weird that only the Human Reaper has a form other than squid/insect-like? It's as if previous species were all insectoid bipeds during the Prothean cycle, the Inusannon cycle and before that. In ME2, they said that the Reaper's form takes upon the species that they preserved...but hey..only a minor alterations here and there between Reapers.

Other than that, good catch. Could be well another hint for items being recollected from Shep's memory. Talks of plans and saving saves are all for naught if BW doesn't deliver fast. Make it so, BW! 

The "squid" form is just due to the outer shell of the Reapers. They just found out that this is the optimal shape for spacefaring. Their inner core is different, and each one mirrors the shape of the species that was used to create each Reaper.

Even the Human reaper, if it had been completed, would have been provided with a "squid-like armor".

Source: Wikia

Cheers for clearing that up for me and others. I had wondered why they all look the same yet the human reaper looked, well human! 

[Erethrian]

Mixon wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

See, this is what i meant. I can't say what is right or wrong too. But there is TO MUCH, unknow for accept this endind.
Besides like i said it thousands of times. Where we have this not linear plot game. Even if we thought ME1 and ME2, is not linear, beacuse at least even ME1 had 2 endings. Let die council or not. Then on the ending In ME3 you discovering this all earlier not linear plot was just an Illusion, to make fans bielive in what bioware saying.

If this theory is true, means nobody dies, Shepard will just woke up still in London and his "last jorney" will continue and then we will see the real Citadel with real ending or something, because all we saw (again if this theory will be aproved) was just in Shepard's head.

Well, it could be also be something like " a lot of people died, you survived", look:

Shepard wakes up.

Shep: Where am I?

<Blah blah, some things happen.>

Shep: Where's Anderson? What happened?

X: Anderson didn't make it... He died running to the beam...


<A lot of things happen.>


Shep: He gave me strength... He saved me... This is for Anderson!

------------


Meh, Idk, I just think there're a lot of ways for an outcome even if the IT theory is true

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 10:00 .

[Mixon]

Erethrian wrote...

Mixon wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

See, this is what i meant. I can't say what is right or wrong too. But there is TO MUCH, unknow for accept this endind.
Besides like i said it thousands of times. Where we have this not linear plot game. Even if we thought ME1 and ME2, is not linear, beacuse at least even ME1 had 2 endings. Let die council or not. Then on the ending In ME3 you discovering this all earlier not linear plot was just an Illusion, to make fans bielive in what bioware saying.

If this theory is true, means nobody dies, Shepard will just woke up still in London and his "last jorney" will continue and then we will see the real Citadel with real ending or something, because all we saw (again if this theory will be aproved) was just in Shepard's head.

Well, it could be also be something like " a lot of people died, you survived", look:

Shepard wakes up.

Shep: Where am I?

<Blah blah, some things happen.>

Shep: Where's Anderson? What happened?

Shep: Anderson didn't make it... He died running to the beam...


<A lot of things happen.>


Shep: He gave me strength... He saved me... This is for Anderson!

------------


Meh, Idk, just there're a lot of ways for an outcome even if the IT theory is true

If so, than it will be most awesome game for me...

[Erethrian]

Same for me, mate!

[Redbelle]

I still can't shake the idea that Shepard may be the catalyst to providing a new indoctrination mandate to the Reapers. Shep's entire story is to fight them. Reapers can fight with military might and mind control so it would seem feasible for Shep to take a page out of the Reapers book and indoctrinate the Reapers using the crucible. Because if Shep can resist indoc then his will and philosophy, i.e. Paragon or Renegade could be imposed on the Reapers

[nyrocron]

Mixon wrote...

If so, than it will be most awesome game for me...

Yeah but I don't want them to take away the possibility of a happy end. Now, if we take it literally, we can at least say that - if we played it with high EMS and chose destroy - Shepard and some Squadmates/LI are alive and will find a possibility to reunite. I don't want all possible endings to be all happy but I think it has to be one of them.

Modifié par nyrocron, 22 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Hobbyman]

Actually I noticed something that may or may not be a glitch or lazy texturing of the game. I played as full Paragon but when I wake up in the CItadel I have the Renegade scars on my face. Whether that is intentional or not, I don't know but those scars where gone since ME2 for my character.

Also, the indoctrination theory reminds me of the time before ME2 when BioWare intentionally leaked only the first sequence of the game showing how Shepard dies. I still remember the outrage back then until more were revealed. There is an optimistic probability that they did the same, only in a more elaborate fashion. Provide a false ending, embellish it with some sequences that make no sense but are there to promote the illusion and a couple of months afterwards reveal the plot along with the true ending DLC, explaining what happened (Shepard was indoctrinated/hallucinating).

If that is the case, it will be ingenious, if not it is just really, really, bad writing.

[Tibiilicious]

The evidence that points to indoctrination may be erroneous, but it isn't just 'wishful thinking' to see it in the game.

Again, at this point I believe the ending we got was the final intended ending, but the remains of other plot points are still in the game, including indoctrination and Illusive Man Reaper Boss Fight. So when people point out the evidence for indoctrination, it isn't just coming from desperation, it's coming from left over plot BioWare didn't end up using.

[nyrocron]

Yes the scars were brought up some pages ago, and I really think it has to have some meaning. Simple injuries would not explain them, indoctrination maybe would.

/edit: Also, being a developer (though not game developer) myself, I wonder why unused assets would be left in the final game. It should be easy to exclude them from the final product.

Modifié par nyrocron, 22 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[michal9o90]

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...

Excatly, think about it, only red endings destroying all AI, so in re endings noramndy can be destroyed, because Normandy Is EDI. But rest endings? Why the hell simple controling wave (blue edings) affect on normandy. i dont get it.

Yep, I get your point. Then there's still the question about the other two colours, though. Anyway, I can't say what's right or wrong until Bioware says something, but yeah it can be that the red wave only affects the "synthetic life".

See, this is what i meant. I can't say what is right or wrong too. But there is TO MUCH, unknow for accept this endind.
Besides like i said it thousands of times. Where we have this not linear plot game. Even if we thought ME1 and ME2, is not linear, beacuse at least even ME1 had 2 endings. Let die council or not. Then on the ending In ME3 you discovering this all earlier not linear plot was just an Illusion, to make fans bielive in what bioware saying.

Yep, in fact I believe in the IT not just because of the things not making sense, or the actual plot holes. I think it can be true because they said (even if they were talking about TIM) they scrapped a final battle against a boss. The only way to win against a final boss is killing it. They stated, though, that the battle they wanted to add was one of the mind. So why not?  Then, the only way to win against the attempt of indoctrination is to choose the right choice. Maybe, the final "battle" is in the game, and that's why I always said the game is completed. We just/still need the closure to it.

yeah and this make sens why we see shepard waking up on the ground surrounded by debris (notice that, there is pieces of concrete, there is nothing what can remind pieces of citadel) we dont see sheprd waking up in space (what will be ridiculous, even if he survive blew up... then what? take breath in space). It can be only one conclusion, shepard never get to the citadel, he was just unconscious.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this?