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[monrapias]

I found this
http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221273p1.html

Not sure if it has been posted.

[monrapias]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

[Erethrian]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Even if I never noticed this, it could perfectly be possible, but we'll see.

[Hobbyman]

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

Well, he is not dead as the red ending + a lot of EMS shows, but this has been also one of the points on the argument about Shepard's indoctrination.

[michal9o90]

monrapias wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

Well one reaper can destroy with one shoot even destiny ascension, and harbringer can't kill shep with one shoot?

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 10:16 .

[Tsuarn]

monrapias wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

its that Major that talks but im pretty sure Anderson also comments there. (could be wrong tho didnt really pay attention after my first playthrough.

[ZajoE38]

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

[monrapias]

michal9o90 wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

Well one reaper can destroy with one shoot even destiny ascension, and harbringer can't kill shep with one shoot?

You're missing the point, I'm not saying that shepard died, I'm saying that anderson died.

[Spectre-61]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

If Shep really had reaper tech implanted, why didn't the prothean VI on Thessian detected them, like when Leng showed up?

[Redbelle]

michal9o90 wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

Well one reaper can destroy with one shoot even destiny ascension, and harbringer can't kill shep with one shoot?

Harbinger's secretly in love with Shep and just couldn't kill him in the end..... <give luv a chance ending>

[Erethrian]

michal9o90 wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

byne wrote...


19) Anderson is clearly killed by the laser

Woah woah woah where does anyone see this? 

Well you don't see it, but on the radio  someone is saying that no one made it to the beam, everyone is dead.

if everyone is dead, how did shepard and anderson get there?

Well one reaper can destroy with one shoot even destiny ascension, and harbringer can't kill shep with one shoot?

Hmm, not evidence but still I'll say it. When the screen turns white, the laser beam hasn't arrived yet, i's coming, shepard sees it coming, but the shot impacted first on the ground, then moved towards you. You weren't directly hit by the laser. So Shepard's survival is still a big possibility here.

[Redbelle]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

Shepards got one advantage that no other ME character has. The player controls him. If Shep is indoctrinated then the player is essentially his will. He overcomes if we can make the right choices

[Gernbuster]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

Exactly my point =)
Imagine... u made the wrong choice, bought the DLC or Add-On or what ever and go on playing. U try to safe the galaxie and somehow the missions will end up terrible wrong und u make the reapers win..... lol scary,  I will definitly prepare a perfect surviving ending with my Shep......
Wouldn t even be to difficult. U get all Fleets together attack the next homeworld and its a reaper trap. ^^

[ZajoE38]

Implants could be dormant. Even Dr. Chakwas states that his implants shows nothing odd. Maybe that's why Harbinger didn't kill Shepard in London. He want to use him as agent all the time. Remember the codex. Indoctrinated important military/political person can bring down nations. Remember Harbs words when Shepard dies. Shepard. You could have been useful.

[michal9o90]

variobunz wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

If Shep really had reaper tech implanted, why didn't the prothean VI on Thessian detected them, like when Leng showed up?

Well i think same way. There is no way shepard can be indocrinated earlier. I think indoctrination attempt after this shoot beam from harbringer.

[Erethrian]

michal9o90 wrote...

variobunz wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

If Shep really had reaper tech implanted, why didn't the prothean VI on Thessian detected them, like when Leng showed up?

Well i think same way. There is no way shepard can be indocrinated earlier. I think indoctrination attempt after this shoot beam from harbringer.

Yep, I agree. Also, I think the Prothean VI says "Security Protocols Overriden" because of EDI's body, made with reaper tech, not because of Shepard, who isn't indoctrinated at that moment.

[ZajoE38]

And Reaper could almost certainly control the power of the laser beam just as any sapient life can control the power of the muscle. Maybe he just wanted to stun him. The beam was weaker in comparsion the beam attacking the ship.

[Redbelle]

http://www.metro.co....midweek-feature

The above link captures alot of what I feel is wrong with an otherwise brilliant game and series. But what attracted my attention was this:

The problems with Mass Effect 3's ending come from a lingering suspicion that BioWare don't fully understand the appeal of the franchise they've created. For example, just prior to Mass Effect 3's release they were caught napping over the furore with tie-in novel Deception. It got fans in an uproar because it played fast and loose with the series' own mythos (and was generally badly written and served no narrative purpose) and should've acted as a warning shot for what was to come.

[Redbelle]

Gernbuster wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

Exactly my point =)
Imagine... u made the wrong choice, bought the DLC or Add-On or what ever and go on playing. U try to safe the galaxie and somehow the missions will end up terrible wrong und u make the reapers win..... lol scary,  I will definitly prepare a perfect surviving ending with my Shep......
Wouldn t even be to difficult. U get all Fleets together attack the next homeworld and its a reaper trap. ^^

Adirmal Ackbar - It's A Trap!

[monrapias]

variobunz wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

If Shep really had reaper tech implanted, why didn't the prothean VI on Thessian detected them, like when Leng showed up?

And neither does liara when she "embraces eternity" with you. and yes she does say that she didn't feel anything out of place  in a certen mission if you take her with you

Modifié par monrapias, 22 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Gernbuster]

monrapias wrote...

variobunz wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Shepard implanted with reaper tech by TIM in project Lazarus? Makes sense to me. Because being renegade shepard has this "indoctrination shaped" eyes. Just red instead of blue. He resist that of course by being paragon and good person, preserving his will. Should Shepard be renegade, he accepts the means of TIM. And indoctrinated TIM could fill Shepard with reaper tech on demand of Reapers. As they plan to turn Shepard against humanity, make him their agent. We all know that Shepard has a strong will. He can eventually reject those implants acting paragon and make them inactive. Beginning ME1 "Is he the kind of person we want protecting the galaxy? He's the only person who CAN protect the galaxy" Or if we lose Shepard humanity might well follow. Should the Reapers finish the indoctrination proces on him during the ending. Shepard is their agent able to sabotage entire fleets and let Reapers to finish the cycle.

If Shep really had reaper tech implanted, why didn't the prothean VI on Thessian detected them, like when Leng showed up?

And neither does liara when she "embraces eternity" with you.

Liara can only detect emotions,feelings, memories, etc 
Shepard doesn t know it, means she can t detect it right? ^^

Modifié par Gernbuster, 22 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Gernbuster]

Why do u think, there is so much about the Lazarus project, if it won t get important anymore
Remember Cerberus HQ or what Miranda is saying.
There is a quit good saying about the Theatre: "If a gun is hanging on the wall in the first scene, it will shoot in the fifth."
And don t forget, something like the indoctrination theorie, had to be planed from the very beginning or at least since they were developing ME2.
And Drew was writing the story that time

[michal9o90]

@Gernbuster Bull **** Drew, left ME series during creating ME2 in half way, at the end, whole ME2 plot story was dependent on others creators.

And we saw how bad was ME2, has almost nothing to do with main story. Only missions related with main story, was.

1. Atack on SR-1

2. First colony, i didn't remmber the name

3 Horyzont

4. Collectors ship

5. Reaper Body

6. Collectors Base.

This is our ME2, rest is just almost for nothing maybe only geth story line is insteresting.

Modifié par michal9o90, 22 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[Rifneno]

While I'm a firm believer in IT, I have to say I don't think the Prothean VIs are recognizing Shepard as indoctrinated. On Thessia it turns aorund and looks directly at Kai Leng when it says that it detected an indoctrinated presence. If it matters, I had the collec--er, Javik along for the ride. At TIM's base, it says security protocols have been hacked because, if you question it about why it didn't just tell you in the first place that the Citadel was the catalyst, that it's programmed not to reveal that information until the crucible is complete. It's worried the Reapers would find out if people knew and take measures to protect the Citadel. Like they wound up doing. So the security override was about it revealing information it's not supposed to (the crucible IS finished but it has no way of knowing that) rather than because it's talking to a sleeper cell.

[ZajoE38]

I'm starting to stand by my opinion. Implanted Shepard doesn't automatically mean indoctrinated Shepard. It is just preparation for being indoctrinated. TIM is alway a step forward right? We all know what is he capable off. TIM wanted to preserve the human reaper larva so he can open open the citadel relay. The point of ending the game is according to me 1) Harbinger gains control over Shepard via indoctrination, using him as agent to betray the allies.
2) Shepard rejects a struggle indoctrination and helping his allies to finish the battle and destroy the Reapers

Catalyst may be likely fooling Shepard about organics creates synthetics and they destroy them bla bla. He is just trying to bluff him and join Shepard the Reaper Cause.