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[Stigweird85]

I have the app and didn't get anything with destruction and good EMS,

it may have been a delayed message(if you check your mail the next day it still shows as new i.e. you can get a message from Mordin after he dies)

[Vahilor]

I think it even works if Shep gets indoctrinated after hit by the beam. I think it could be even possible that Shep is pushed here and there a little only by actions and subtle influences without really beeing indoctrinated... only probably influenced.
I think even the plans of the crucible are a bite thrown out by the Reapers and nobody needs to be indoctrinated to put his hope in a thing that is said to destroy the Reapers.
I think he is really indoctrinated after entering the beam, but not earlier.

[CitadelSurfer]

trekker1701 wrote...

I'm not entirely convinced of indoctrination theory. I won't reiterate a lot of the reasons of why people don't think indoctrination theory. I want to bring up one thing though, one thing that people bring up is the events of Arrival. My question is, what if you didn't play Arrival? The story adapts itself to what your particular Shepard has gone through. LoTSB was brought up, if you didn't play it, Liara talks about how she did it by herself and I guess Ferron died. Same kind of thing with Arrival, the Batarian talks about how the Alliance blew up the relay, not Shepard personally. So how does that affect the theory?

Well the arrival DLC just adds to the theory. But Shepard is around reaper tech and reapers throughout the entire series. And Saren spent time on Sovereign and got indoctrinated. You are exposed to the bigger fish "harbinger" and derelict reapers etc etc. What we talked about Arrival is that you get knocked out by a blast by reaper tech. It's just another thing that added to the theory.

Plus there are things that happened in the books which add to the theory too. Just because the players didn't but the DLC or books doesn't mean they can't go ahead with it. I mean if they did dlc where Shepard wakes up from the harby blast then most of the people playing the game will realise it was just a dream and carry on.

So all in all. It's not really a big issue whether you played the dlc or not, there is plenty more evidence in the game itself for you to realise what happened. 

[policenauts]

Vahilor wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Kazalord2 wrote...

Guys, I read a post in the last 100 pages that , apparently, if you downloaded the Mass Effect Datapad for iOS and beat the game with " Destruction " you actually get a mail from Ashley/Kaiden on it where he/she asks whethe they can come visit you !!

Yeah, well, it's a strange mail but not all of us got the mail. Even with them being LI, so Idk what to say about that.

Yep I didn't get that mail either... and I also had destruction and the "survive" ending..

you will get the mail after you start a new game. i dont know how the mail is related to the beginning since it does not really make sense there. maybe the mail is another /hint/ in some way. i do not really know.

i got it after i chose the destroy ending with a high enough ems to get the breathing scene. i do not know if you get the mail if you choose another ending.

Modifié par policenauts, 22 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[CaptnZoricus]

Either way, if it is in fact indoctrination( there is such overwhelming evidence) we got screwed, and will have to purchase extra DLC to see the epilogue. Kindda sucks but then again so does day one DLC.

[DrFrankenseuss]

"Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory"

No.

[Erethrian]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

trekker1701 wrote...

I'm not entirely convinced of indoctrination theory. I won't reiterate a lot of the reasons of why people don't think indoctrination theory. I want to bring up one thing though, one thing that people bring up is the events of Arrival. My question is, what if you didn't play Arrival? The story adapts itself to what your particular Shepard has gone through. LoTSB was brought up, if you didn't play it, Liara talks about how she did it by herself and I guess Ferron died. Same kind of thing with Arrival, the Batarian talks about how the Alliance blew up the relay, not Shepard personally. So how does that affect the theory?

Well the arrival DLC just adds to the theory. But Shepard is around reaper tech and reapers throughout the entire series. And Saren spent time on Sovereign and got indoctrinated. You are exposed to the bigger fish "harbinger" and derelict reapers etc etc. What we talked about Arrival is that you get knocked out by a blast by reaper tech. It's just another thing that added to the theory.

Plus there are things that happened in the books which add to the theory too. Just because the players didn't but the DLC or books doesn't mean they can't go ahead with it. I mean if they did dlc where Shepard wakes up from the harby blast then most of the people playing the game will realise it was just a dream and carry on.

So all in all. It's not really a big issue whether you played the dlc or not, there is plenty more evidence in the game itself for you to realise what happened. 

About this there's one exception. The canon choice if you didn't blow up the Batarian Relay is that you never went there. So "that" Shepard never was hit by Object Rho. But as I said, we don't need the events of Arrival to discuss if a human can be indoctrinated, he's been inside a reaper and near reaper tech for an insane amount of time. It's strange to think that he's the only lifeform in the entire galaxy that can resist indoctrination.

DrFrankenseuss wrote...

"Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory"

No.

Please,
tell me that after April 6th, when BW will say what's up.  Not
before. Then, if we're wrong, you can tell us "I told you". But saying
"No", or "You're wrong because I demand it"... Doesn't work.

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Erethrian]

Sry, double post. -^

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Gernbuster]

Vahilor wrote...

I think it even works if Shep gets indoctrinated after hit by the beam. I think it could be even possible that Shep is pushed here and there a little only by actions and subtle influences without really beeing indoctrinated... only probably influenced.
I think even the plans of the crucible are a bite thrown out by the Reapers and nobody needs to be indoctrinated to put his hope in a thing that is said to destroy the Reapers.
I think he is really indoctrinated after entering the beam, but not earlier.

I think the same way about the crucible, there is something wrong with it, otherwise it would be far too easy.

U played ME1/2/3 as we all did, we fought against many indocrinated people and many of them had much less contact to reaper tech. It just valid that Shep at least gets affected a little bit. Btw if a person is affected just once by Reaper indoctrination tech, it will stay in his mind forever! normally its weak, but Shepard meet this tech over and over again. and it would explain this stupid godchild.

[Matdeception]

Cullen999 wrote...

 If this turns out to be true then everyone moaning about the endings better post a massive apology to bioware and it's scriptwriters and developers. This idea (if intended) is a work of genius and I hope whoever came up with it is well rewarded. I hope if this was bioware's idea that they are not scared off by the fans reaction and continue with this path. Indoctrinating your player base , politicians the world over pay attention you might learn something here.

Except it's not. Even if the indoctrination theory holds true Bioware still failed to give any form of closure for the galaxy at large, except for death at any rate. Our choices didn't matter at all, even if we broke free of the indoctrination (destruction), took a middle ground (Synthesis), or gave into it completely (Control). The plotholes can only be explained if all events post Harbinger charging his Laser were a hallucination, and even then one of the biggest plot holes period still will remain in play.

That plothole? Why the frak did the Reapers not just shut down the entire Relay system once they took the citadel? It's been their standard MO for invasion for such a long time; Take Citadel, Kill Leadership, Cripple Communications and Travel. Hell, even if they couldn't shut down 'all' the relays at once, they could certainly lock out the relay leading to the citadel (Proof in ME1, where Joker asks you to open the relay after you 'dealt' with Saren, so that he and the fleet could come barging in. Which Shepard did, might I point out, from the citadel master control itself.)

Instead the Reapers conviently forget the fact they could just shut down the relays, move the Citadel to Earth, and leave themselves open to a counter attack. Apparently synthetics have to maintain that 'unknowable' quality, because only an idiot would do what they did there.

You can't even argue 'Well they had no idea where the Crucible was, it would be better to move it!' trite, since w/o Relay access they'd have a hell of an easy time detecting a fleet moving in at FTL speeds if they were on the look out for em.' And even if they couldn't detect them through FTL speeds, they should have shut the relays down once the citadel got to earth.

Eh, I digress. The indoctrination theory does have some merit, but still fails to bring the promised 'choice' and an ending that wasn't A, B, C (Which is essentially all that this was). My only thought on the matter is they decided to pull a FF13x2 and save the 'continuation' after you win/lose the indoctrination fight for later DLC so you can play out the game depending on whether you 'resisted' or 'fell' for indoctrination.

My thoughts, at anyrate. Opinion.

[Stigweird85]

I support the indoc theory, but only if handled well.

A complete rewrite where the current endings are ignored would seem out of place.

Ideally existing endings stand then DLC kicks in when he takes his breath. - I'm cool with cutting the old man and the kid that appear after the credits

[ArkkAngel007]

If Shepard didnt blow up the Alpha Relay, then why the heck is he in detention?

[BaKaNoOB]

to uncover how cerberus revived him

[Gernbuster]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If Shepard didnt blow up the Alpha Relay, then why the heck is he in detention?

working with Cerberus? ^^ There are enough reasons, why he could still be there ^^

[dorktainian]

you dont need a complete re-write of the endings for indoctrination - it's told from sheps viewpoint.
Just show anothers point of view - sorted.

[monrapias]

DrFrankenseuss wrote...

"Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory"

No.

Why not?

[Stigweird85]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If Shepard didnt blow up the Alpha Relay, then why the heck is he in detention?

That did happen, or at least thats my understanding its only the final citadel conversions and Godboy that are an illusion.

It would be a hell of a lot worse if they come out with the entire Mass Effect 3 was a dream...that is bad writing 101.

[Cucobr]

monrapias wrote...

DrFrankenseuss wrote...

"Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory"

No.

Why not?

because he don't see the obvious. Prefer special magic and kid-god.

[nyrocron]

trekker1701 wrote...

I'm not entirely convinced of indoctrination theory. I won't reiterate a lot of the reasons of why people don't think indoctrination theory. I want to bring up one thing though, one thing that people bring up is the events of Arrival. My question is, what if you didn't play Arrival? The story adapts itself to what your particular Shepard has gone through. LoTSB was brought up, if you didn't play it, Liara talks about how she did it by herself and I guess Ferron died. Same kind of thing with Arrival, the Batarian talks about how the Alliance blew up the relay, not Shepard personally. So how does that affect the theory?

I did not play Arrival and the Batarian talked about me specifically and Shepard also acted as if it were his actions.

[Stigweird85]

the arrival DLC is series cannon, if you didn't play it, the game assumes you did. Same with Liara as the shadow broker.

[BaKaNoOB]

For me Endings are big fool around from BW... for the following reasons.
I believe in Indocrination theory.

1) BW can think of making endings in that way so players to see what indocrination is (more complete game experience), and see if anyone could figure it out which will make me as developer happy.

2)Players will learn to pay even closer look in the things they do in the game (or games to follow),i so much rushed to finish the game for the first time that i didn't realise that i'm indocrinated.

3)BWMake a little stunt, foolaround... at the end of so great series to make it greater.

4) BW take a lot of sh.... fro a while and then releace Free Endings DLC, and in my eyes it will be huge. Despite PR damage ... Because In my way of thinking that kind of release will be hudge sucsess, and will raise sales cause of stunning finale of the series

5)Fans will remember this stunt for a long time in a good way. Which is good for a series as ME and if there are ME4 will by it and will play more cautioslu

At least that are my thoughts ... I hate BW for the endings but i believe...there are some people that wait to make even biger stunt with awesome content

PS. Very bad english

[Earthborn_Shepard]

bigstig wrote...

the arrival DLC is series cannon, if you didn't play it, the game assumes you did. Same with Liara as the shadow broker.

No. If you didn't play LOTSB, Shep doesn't even know Liara is the new Shadow broker.

[Vahilor]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

bigstig wrote...

the arrival DLC is series cannon, if you didn't play it, the game assumes you did. Same with Liara as the shadow broker.

No. If you didn't play LOTSB, Shep doesn't even know Liara is the new Shadow broker.

She tells him in the Normandy, that she is the Shadowbroker now... I didn't play SB and my Shep didn't know she is the SB now.

[theflyingfrogfish]

Arrival is definitely canon, as it's stated as the reason Shepard is under arrest. If Shepard never goes to the system, then reapers enter through the Alpha relay months before the start of ME3.

[Denvian]

I really hope that we do not have to wait until April 6th to clear this stuff up. It's like arguing Christianity Vs. Darwin... each side believes they have the absolute answer... well with the notable difference being that we know that these creators exist and we are just waiting for a official decree!

Modifié par Denvian, 22 mars 2012 - 01:47 .