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[Redbelle]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

I have a buddy, who has no internet, finished the game the other day. I have not talked to him about IT beforehand. He calls me on the phone and begins telling me the ending is a LIE. To remain objective I simply asked,"how do you mean?" and he began to site all the specific examples we all know about and even proceeded to use the word "indoctrinated" to describe Shepard at the end of the game. I played the devil's advocate a bit and asked him about the known holes in the theory including the bit about the Prothian VI detecting a indoctrinated presence. He said, "How do you know for sure that he is talking about Shepard?" Then I told him about "Indoctrination Theory".

How can someone, without being influenced by someone who already thinks this is the case, arrive at the exact same conclusion that we all have? There's way too much supporting evidence to ignore this theory. When I asked my friend, "What if indoctrination theory turns out not to be true?" and he said, and I quote, "Then the writers are retarded." not my words but I understand where he's is coming from since I am actually losing faith in the theory...

For me I can't see this series being saved unless IT was true all along because otherwise, they really either thought the game as it is was art or they were lazy. In either case it will be clear to me that me and Bioware will have to part ways. Me and their new "artistic direction" simply cannot and will not co-exist.

Morphic field theory. Your friend has tapped into our collective yearning for a better ending and read the field through morphic resonance, thus allowing him to gain insight into a topic he was previously unaware of but now has library access to.

Or he's a really sharp cookie.

[Silhouett3]

Pages move so fast.. there's been talk about how Javik sensed "turmoil", "fear" and "distress" in Shep. This is probably not a hint suggesting indoctrination - protheans mastered to transfer their biological markers and chemistry through beacons. When Shepard "touched" the beacon in Eden Prime the machine transfered him the whole experience of protheans' distress of extinction. Again, protheans are apparently not capable of sensing indoctrination as the next thing Javik says they failed to identify many indoctrinated agents within their ranks.

Modifié par Silhouett3, 22 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[Vaille]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

I have a buddy, who has no internet, finished the game the other day. I have not talked to him about IT beforehand. He calls me on the phone and begins telling me the ending is a LIE. To remain objective I simply asked,"how do you mean?" and he began to site all the specific examples we all know about and even proceeded to use the word "indoctrinated" to describe Shepard at the end of the game. I played the devil's advocate a bit and asked him about the known holes in the theory including the bit about the Prothian VI detecting a indoctrinated presence. He said, "How do you know for sure that he is talking about Shepard?" Then I told him about "Indoctrination Theory".

How can someone, without being influenced by someone who already thinks this is the case, arrive at the exact same conclusion that we all have? There's way too much supporting evidence to ignore this theory. When I asked my friend, "What if indoctrination theory turns out not to be true?" and he said, and I quote, "Then the writers are retarded." not my words but I understand where he's is coming from since I am actually losing faith in the theory...

For me I can't see this series being saved unless IT was true all along because otherwise, they really either thought the game as it is was art or they were lazy. In either case it will be clear to me that me and Bioware will have to part ways. Me and their new "artistic direction" simply cannot and will not co-exist.

Your friend is apparently the slave boy from Meno, and we're all recollecting that this is the real ending.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Redbelle wrote...



Morphic field theory. Your friend has tapped into our collective yearning for a better ending and read the field through morphic resonance, thus allowing him to gain insight into a topic he was previously unaware of but now has library access to.

Or he's a really sharp cookie.

That's pretty brilliant... If this is possible I will certainly exploit the causes of this until I learn how to control my extra-sensory-projections to control world government and make undesirables commit suicide.

I'll be able to Indoctrinate people.

Modifié par Ghost of a Messiah, 22 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[Erethrian]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...


That's pretty brilliant... If this is possible I will certainly exploit the causes of this until I learn how to control my extra-sensory-projections to control world government and make undesirables commit suicide.

I'll be able to Indoctrinate people.

Oh noes... It's happening.

Reapers among us!

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Erethrian wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...


That's pretty brilliant... If this is possible I will certainly exploit the causes of this until I learn how to control my extra-sensory-projections to control world government and make undesirables commit suicide.

I'll be able to Indoctrinate people.

Oh noes... It's happening.

Reapers among us!

Prepare this one for ascension!

[Redbelle]

Erethrian wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...


That's pretty brilliant... If this is possible I will certainly exploit the causes of this until I learn how to control my extra-sensory-projections to control world government and make undesirables commit suicide.

I'll be able to Indoctrinate people.

Oh noes... It's happening.

Reapers among us!

Well no one in mass effect knows how indoctrination works beyond the theory and they can't block it so hundreds of thousands of Reaper's showing up in the galaxy was bound to take a toll sooner or later

[Erethrian]

Redbelle wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...


That's pretty brilliant... If this is possible I will certainly exploit the causes of this until I learn how to control my extra-sensory-projections to control world government and make undesirables commit suicide.

I'll be able to Indoctrinate people.

Oh noes... It's happening.

Reapers among us!

Well no one in mass effect knows how indoctrination works beyond the theory and they can't block it so hundreds of thousands of Reaper's showing up in the galaxy was bound to take a toll sooner or later

Haha, I agree.

[Gilgamesh117]

First time poster here, and I have to say this theory has rly saved the game for me. The ME games are some of my favorite games, and the ending of the 3rd, although I did not hate it like most, I thought it was not satisfying. I was awestruck, to think, 5+ years of amazing writing goes down the tube in ten minutes. Bioware has to have something up their sleeve.

That being said, I have some questions and queries.
Why are the last three people you think about before you choose an ending, Joker, Anderson, Liara? It may be different for others i suppose, but this just struck me as odd. Why those people and not my LI,(Which was Tali btw) and other important Chars.

Also I still find it humorous about Shepard's name, still gathering members for his flock (Chars. and military force). Bioware picked a Great name.

Also. many think that Indoc began or was seeded in the first game and such, but what about when shepard died at the beginning of the Second game, wouldnt that start the indoc over, even though his brain did survive, anyways its just some of the things I've been pondering since reading this thread and completing the game.

Holding the Line In Virginia Beach!

[Flapperrr]

Holding the line in Moscow. We desperately battle to the inspired.

Modifié par Flapperrr, 22 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Redbelle]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

First time poster here, and I have to say this theory has rly saved the game for me. The ME games are some of my favorite games, and the ending of the 3rd, although I did not hate it like most, I thought it was not satisfying. I was awestruck, to think, 5+ years of amazing writing goes down the tube in ten minutes. Bioware has to have something up their sleeve.

That being said, I have some questions and queries.
Why are the last three people you think about before you choose an ending, Joker, Anderson, Liara? It may be different for others i suppose, but this just struck me as odd. Why those people and not my LI,(Which was Tali btw) and other important Chars.

Also I still find it humorous about Shepard's name, still gathering members for his flock (Chars. and military force). Bioware picked a Great name.

Also. many think that Indoc began or was seeded in the first game and such, but what about when shepard died at the beginning of the Second game, wouldnt that start the indoc over, even though his brain did survive, anyways its just some of the things I've been pondering since reading this thread and completing the game.Holding the Line In Virginia Beach!

I agree with the choice of name. When you thing about it, Harbinger, Vigil, Soveriegn are all names that state their purpose. Shepard will make a great Reaper based on that alone.

I think for your crewmates you can build up relationship points to dictate who you see at the end. Not sure if that's accurate but I remember reading that somewhere.

also, Shepard dying in ME2 is not considered canon to the series, but it is a personal canon for the player. If Shepard died in ME2 then the Shep you play in ME3 is not the Shep you have guided through the past 2 games.

I had a fun theory that if Shep dies the allience repurposes a body with Shepard memories and personalty while making the volunteer physicaly resemble Shep through gene therapy in a way similar in concept to the start of ME2. Who would want to volunteer for that however?

Step forward Mr Conrad Verner!

Modifié par Redbelle, 22 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[CLB17]

Holding the line in Seattle. God I hope IT is true cause its the only way that i can stomach the endings.

[blueboxblues]

7egion wrote...

The DLC better be free, or else I will buy and enjoy it with anger in my heart.

I WILL TYPE IN MY CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AND PLAY THE **** OUT OF ITS AWESOMENESS WITH RAAAAAAAAGE

[melcalien]

Indoctrination was what I was hoping for prior to the game coming out, and it's what I thought was happening during the ending...but then...the confusion set in.

Holding the line, in Kirkland (Seattle)

Modifié par melcalien, 22 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CLB17 wrote...

Holding the line in Seattle. God I hope IT is true cause its the only way that i can stomach the endings.

Salarian STG in Coopenhagen, Denmark reporting in, sorry about the radio silence, a reaper stopped over our hiding place scrambling everything. Most intense hours I have ever had as we could do nothing but hope it did not see us. Had to remind my men more than once to remember Captain Kirrahee and hold the line.

Luckily though it set of just minutes ago, heading into Space, something going on up there? Anyway will try to get out of the city while we still have light.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 22 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[LadyVakarian]

Made this because I thought it fit with what we are all dealing with:

[GBGriffin]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Made this because I thought it fit with what we are all dealing with:

Right click -> Save As

Love it.

[Cucobr]

Holding the line in Rio.

I want to know what happens when shepard wake up

[Samtheman63]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Made this because I thought it fit with what we are all dealing with:

No. 

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

First time poster here, and I have to say this theory has rly saved the game for me. The ME games are some of my favorite games, and the ending of the 3rd, although I did not hate it like most, I thought it was not satisfying. I was awestruck, to think, 5+ years of amazing writing goes down the tube in ten minutes. Bioware has to have something up their sleeve.

That being said, I have some questions and queries.
Why are the last three people you think about before you choose an ending, Joker, Anderson, Liara? It may be different for others i suppose, but this just struck me as odd. Why those people and not my LI,(Which was Tali btw) and other important Chars.

Also I still find it humorous about Shepard's name, still gathering members for his flock (Chars. and military force). Bioware picked a Great name.

Also. many think that Indoc began or was seeded in the first game and such, but what about when shepard died at the beginning of the Second game, wouldnt that start the indoc over, even though his brain did survive, anyways its just some of the things I've been pondering since reading this thread and completing the game.

Holding the Line In Virginia Beach!

My LI was also Tali... Got the same people which I think is really too generic to be taken seriously.

In the first game there wasn't really a lot of oppertunity to get indoctrinated... But I'm not rulling it out as possible. Cerberus did manage to bring you back, personality and all. But then again Indoctrination could have started with the lazerus project... Shepards Cybernetcs could have been reaper tech, The Illusive man has had those bright blue eyes since we've known him... why not also reaper tech? There was also that bit on the presidium with Anderson about there being no way to account for all of Sovereign... Possible forshadowing? Also if you remember the beginning of ME2 Moranda and TIM are talking about needing Shepard for there cause... oh but he's out looking for Geth... How convenient he's about to die so we can rebuild him with this reaper tech... I think TIM tipped off the collecters which would make ME2, contrary to popular belief,  relevent to the ME cannon.

Also...
Moranda- We should put in a control device.

TIM-No we need Shepards mind to be intact.

Harby- I want Shepard alive and Indoctrinated.

IT certainly satifies all plotholes.

[Gilgamesh117]

Redbelle wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

First time poster here, and I have to say this theory has rly saved the game for me. The ME games are some of my favorite games, and the ending of the 3rd, although I did not hate it like most, I thought it was not satisfying. I was awestruck, to think, 5+ years of amazing writing goes down the tube in ten minutes. Bioware has to have something up their sleeve.

That being said, I have some questions and queries.
Why are the last three people you think about before you choose an ending, Joker, Anderson, Liara? It may be different for others i suppose, but this just struck me as odd. Why those people and not my LI,(Which was Tali btw) and other important Chars.

Also I still find it humorous about Shepard's name, still gathering members for his flock (Chars. and military force). Bioware picked a Great name.

Also. many think that Indoc began or was seeded in the first game and such, but what about when shepard died at the beginning of the Second game, wouldnt that start the indoc over, even though his brain did survive, anyways its just some of the things I've been pondering since reading this thread and completing the game.Holding the Line In Virginia Beach!

I agree with the choice of name. When you thing about it, Harbinger, Vigil, Soveriegn are all names that state their purpose. Shepard will make a great Reaper based on that alone.

I think for your crewmates you can build up relationship points to dictate who you see at the end. Not sure if that's accurate but I remember reading that somewhere.

also, Shepard dying in ME2 is not considered canon to the series, but it is a personal canon for the player. If Shepard died in ME2 then the Shep you play in ME3 is not the Shep you have guided through the past 2 games.

I had a fun theory that if Shep dies the allience repurposes a body with Shepard memories and personalty while making the volunteer physicaly resemble Shep through gene therapy in a way similar in concept to the start of ME2. Who would want to volunteer for that however?

Step forward Mr Conrad Verner!

Wait, the part when Cerberus rebuilds him isnt canon? i meant at the beginning of the game.

[obie191970]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

Wait, the part when Cerberus rebuilds him isnt canon? i meant at the beginning of the game.

Yeah, he misread and thought you were talking about the suicide mission.

[MarkasLin]

I knew something was wrong with that ending. Couldn't believe that it was real. my worst problem is the part with normandy

[Erethrian]

Hmmm, against aguements against indoctrinatio:

Anti-It side: A lot of people is saying that Indoctrination can't be resisted.

IT-side: A lot of people is saying Cerberus could've implanted reaper tech in Shepard's body during the Lazarus project.

Another point of view supporting indoctrination Theory.

I think the Illusive man (Jack from now on) really fights for humanity, due to what happened during the war against the turians and the fact he saw what reaper tech could make to others.

Why not a control chip inside Shepards head?

Why the reaper tech inside Shepard hasn't indoctrinated Shepard yet as it did with Grayson (Book, ME: Retribution)...

Maybe... Because Jack knew he(TIM himself) already was being indoctrinated, slowly, due to what happened during Xanxi. So, what he used to rebuild Shepard (and knowing jack knew there was a reaper signal), maybe was some kind of technology made by Cerberus and meant to prevent Shepard from becoming completely indoctrinated, or at least giving him a chance to not become indoctrinated.

What if the implants Shepard has, interferes somehow with the reaper signal? What if Jack was trying to save Shepard so he could save himself? So if IT is true, once Shepard beats the indoctrination (choosing Destroy) he's completely free from it.


Well, this is really grasping at emegency induction ports but, haha, I think there're no reasons to not implant a control chip inside Shepard's mind if Jack already was completely indoctrinated.

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[N7xELITE]

Does anyone remember Manuel from mass effect 1. Manuel blurts out some comments that at the time make no sense to Commander Shepard or any of the rescue team; however, they prove to be an accurate foreshadowing of things to come. He is convinced that the age of humanity is over and there is absolutely no hope. He was right.