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[Ghost of a Messiah]

Erethrian wrote...

Hmmm, against aguements against indoctrinatio:

Anti-It side: A lot of people is saying that Indoctrination can't be resisted.

IT-side: A lot of people is saying Cerberus could've implanted reaper tech in Shepard's body during the Lazarus project.

Another point of view supporting indoctrination Theory.

I think the Illusive man (Jack from now on) really fights for humanity, due to what happened during the war against the turians and the fact he saw what reaper tech could make to others.

Why not a control chip inside Shepards head?

Why the reaper tech inside Shepard hasn't indoctrinated Shepard yet as it did with Grayson (Book, ME: Retribution)...

Maybe... Because Jack knew he(TIM himself) already was being indoctrinated, slowly, due to what happened during Xanxi. So, what he used to rebuild Shepard (and knowing jack knew there was a reaper signal), maybe was some kind of technology made by Cerberus and meant to prevent Shepard from becoming completely indoctrinated, or at least giving him a chance to not become indoctrinated.

What if the implants Shepard has, interferes somehow with the reaper signal? What if Jack was trying to save Shepard so he could save himself? So if IT is true, once Shepard beats the indoctrination (choosing Destroy) he's completely free from it.


Well, this is really grasping at emegency induction ports but, haha, I think there're no reasons to not implant a control chip inside Shepard's mind if Jack already was completely indoctrinated.

Thin... very thin but not impossible. IT just satisfies Harbinger wanting Shepard also intact and indoctrinated. I honestly believe Indoctrination happened in the arrival.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

N7xELITE wrote...

Does anyone remember Manuel from mass effect 1. Manuel blurts out some comments that at the time make no sense to Commander Shepard or any of the rescue team; however, they prove to be an accurate foreshadowing of things to come. He is convinced that the age of humanity is over and there is absolutely no hope. He was right.

Looking. What page?

[Jaykel]

https://twitter.com/...876583407796224

Modifié par Jaykel, 22 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Erethrian]

^ Fixed that for you.  

https://twitter.com/#!/kie25x/status/182876583407796224

Manuel? The guy on Eden Prime? with a woman?

Modifié par Erethrian, 22 mars 2012 - 05:22 .

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Oh I thought you misspelled manual... ha ha.. I remember what about him?

[N7xELITE]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Does anyone remember Manuel from mass effect 1. Manuel blurts out some comments that at the time make no sense to Commander Shepard or any of the rescue team; however, they prove to be an accurate foreshadowing of things to come. He is convinced that the age of humanity is over and there is absolutely no hope. He was right.

Looking. What page?

page 811 at the bottom

[Erethrian]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Hmmm, against aguements against indoctrinatio:

Anti-It side: A lot of people is saying that Indoctrination can't be resisted.

IT-side: A lot of people is saying Cerberus could've implanted reaper tech in Shepard's body during the Lazarus project.

Another point of view supporting indoctrination Theory.

I think the Illusive man (Jack from now on) really fights for humanity, due to what happened during the war against the turians and the fact he saw what reaper tech could make to others.

Why not a control chip inside Shepards head?

Why the reaper tech inside Shepard hasn't indoctrinated Shepard yet as it did with Grayson (Book, ME: Retribution)...

Maybe... Because Jack knew he(TIM himself) already was being indoctrinated, slowly, due to what happened during Xanxi. So, what he used to rebuild Shepard (and knowing jack knew there was a reaper signal), maybe was some kind of technology made by Cerberus and meant to prevent Shepard from becoming completely indoctrinated, or at least giving him a chance to not become indoctrinated.

What if the implants Shepard has, interferes somehow with the reaper signal? What if Jack was trying to save Shepard so he could save himself? So if IT is true, once Shepard beats the indoctrination (choosing Destroy) he's completely free from it.


Well, this is really grasping at emegency induction ports but, haha, I think there're no reasons to not implant a control chip inside Shepard's mind if Jack already was completely indoctrinated.

Thin... very thin but not impossible. IT just satisfies Harbinger wanting Shepard also intact and indoctrinated. I honestly believe Indoctrination happened in the arrival.

I know, but TIM's VA said he wasn't done, and Idk for what reason I don't think we'll see him talking a lot "taking back omega".

[Jaykel]

oh, yeah ^^"

still hoping the IT is true, would be so awesome.

[N7xELITE]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

Oh I thought you misspelled manual... ha ha.. I remember what about him?

 He is convinced that the age of humanity is over and there is absolutely no hope. He was right.

[Erethrian]

Jaykel wrote...

oh, yeah ^^"

still hoping the IT is true, would be so awesome.

Well, those tweets are just great.  Hoping here too!

[Ghost of a Messiah]

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

[GBGriffin]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

[nyrocron]

Erethrian wrote...

I know, but TIM's VA said he wasn't done, and Idk for what reason I don't think we'll see him talking a lot "taking back omega".

Yes, if it happened the way we saw it, it would not make sense for him to say that. TIM is dead.

Modifié par nyrocron, 22 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[Ghost of a Messiah]

All these BW reps are just talking in circles... They obviously don't want us to know what they are really up to... Why?

[Erethrian]

GBGriffin wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

Masseffect: We didn't say we were altering anything~


This means we won't alter but expand. IT is expanding the endings, not altering them.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

GBGriffin wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

Maybe you disagree... But if IT wasn't really intended then the series is beyond redemption... Any other end they would cook up just to appease angry fans would just be fake.

If IT isn't real BW can tell me today... This will be over with and I'll be done with them... You won't see me in these forums again. But until it is offically stated by BW that IT isn't real I'm here to stay and any of you non-believers will not sway my belief.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Erethrian wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

Masseffect: We didn't say we were altering anything~


This means we won't alter but expand. IT is expanding the endings, not altering them.

They don't have to alter something that already exists.

[Erethrian]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

Masseffect: We didn't say we were altering anything~


This means we won't alter but expand. IT is expanding the endings, not altering them.

They don't have to alter something that already exists.

That's it! ^^

[RoyalGambit]

Erethrian wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

Masseffect: We didn't say we were altering anything~


This means we won't alter but expand. IT is expanding the endings, not altering them.

Which I appreciate. Love me some indoctrination.

[Escapulario100]

Holding the line in Venezuela (i want one of those banters lol). Must be Indoctrination, it makes friggin sense. BTW: I think I read somewhere that TIM's eyes are implants because his real eyes got burn in ME Evolution. I guest he begging to get indoctrinated when he brought the Reaper tech to his base (Human Reaper brain/heart, the tech for his soldiers and so on)

[Humakt83]

Bioware would miss great opportunity if they wouldn't go with IT theory. That would be odd considering they planted the evidences for it, even though most of them are very subtle.

Anyone who fails to grasp that ending is not real, is simply not astute or perceptive enough.

[Stumpykins]

does anyone think that, even if this theory is true,
all bioware is going to do is add 1 ending that explains the plot holes and gives closure, we still wont get different endings. SO BASICALLY OUR CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SERIES STILL WONT MATTER IN DIVERSIFYING THE ENDING FOR PEOPLE. MAKING SERIES REPLAY OR EVEN ME3 REPLAY POINTLESS.

[Erethrian]

Stumpykins wrote...

does anyone think that, even if this theory is true,
all bioware is going to do is add 1 ending that explains the plot holes and gives closure, we still wont get different endings. SO BASICALLY OUR CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SERIES STILL WONT MATTER IN DIVERSIFYING THE ENDING FOR PEOPLE. MAKING SERIES REPLAY OR EVEN ME3 REPLAY POINTLESS.

Hmmm, in fact they never said they're gonna do that. Also, I still think all of this was planned. SO anyway, wait for April 6th to see what's true.

[NigmaViper]

Erethrian wrote...

Stumpykins wrote...

does anyone think that, even if this theory is true,
all bioware is going to do is add 1 ending that explains the plot holes and gives closure, we still wont get different endings. SO BASICALLY OUR CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SERIES STILL WONT MATTER IN DIVERSIFYING THE ENDING FOR PEOPLE. MAKING SERIES REPLAY OR EVEN ME3 REPLAY POINTLESS.

Hmmm, in fact they never said they're gonna do that. Also, I still think all of this was planned. SO anyway, wait for April 6th to see what's true.

Why does everyone keep saying April 6th?  I only saw April in Dr. Ray's post.

[nyrocron]

Because of PAX. They got a Mass Effect panel there.

Modifié par nyrocron, 22 mars 2012 - 06:33 .