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[Erethrian]

nyrocron wrote...

Because of PAX. They got a Mass Effect panel there.

This. Maybe it will be April 7th.

[Pangaron]

I do believe, because I need some hope. More of my thoughts here (beware, strange text ahead):
 social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10457945

[NigmaViper]

nyrocron wrote...

Because of PAX. They got a Mass Effect panel there.

Oh, duh.  Thanks :X

[ArkkAngel007]

nyrocron wrote...

Because of PAX. They got a Mass Effect panel there.

Yep, and that was planned before the game was released.  So question is why have a panel on a game at an event that is lately used to kick-off pre-E3 marketing campaigns when the game has been released for a month?

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 22 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[SCJ90]

Allright I have been thinking, I HOPE that the this theory is correct, I mean hell, all the "evidence" are there, I dont think that BW has 0 knowladge of the last scenes in the game, all the sign, the trees, dreams, conversation with TIM. But could it be that this where there intention, us to specualat while they have a good laugh, or are we seeing what we want to see?

As I said I hope but thier resent comments and statements doen't point towards this, PR and teasing but when the CEO made his artical it just seamse like they did not think about this and that everything is a suprise to them!

Im just thinking out loud here but what if this is just our "interpiation" of the end?

[Angmir]

To thouse who dont Belive it was planed from the start to deliver a true ending in DLC

How the hell they are going to write a new ending in 3 weeks ? I mean between 09/03/2012 and 06/04/2012 there is only for weeks. If we assume they decided to make a new ending becouse of the fan reaction how they could not have started working on it faster than a coupe of days aggo. This gices them a maximum of 3 weeks to deliver us a new ending !!

They were making LotSB for over 3 months how come they are able to make an ending DLC with just a 3 weeks. It is just enought time to make a tests on and prepare distribution, and not even starting working on the real ending.

The only posibility is they had that DLC prepared form the start. That is a fact.

[greywardencommander]

Completely off base but you know how they said a lot of people are going to be pissed off by the endings, I always thought 'how odd they'd knowingly and deliberately do that, and even say it to be honest before the game released', what if he was actually meaning people will be pissed off about DLC endings given the outcry to day one DLC?

[ArkkAngel007]

SCJ90 wrote...

Allright I have been thinking, I HOPE that the this theory is correct, I mean hell, all the "evidence" are there, I dont think that BW has 0 knowladge of the last scenes in the game, all the sign, the trees, dreams, conversation with TIM. But could it be that this where there intention, us to specualat while they have a good laugh, or are we seeing what we want to see?

As I said I hope but thier resent comments and statements doen't point towards this, PR and teasing but when the CEO made his artical it just seamse like they did not think about this and that everything is a suprise to them!

Im just thinking out loud here but what if this is just our "interpiation" of the end?

Hey, that's what it began as.  So if that's all that it turned out to be and BioWare gets it together in some other way, fine by me.

And of course BW doesn't have zero in the knowledge department.  We peasants are just not capable of handling such knowledge 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 22 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Erethrian]

Angmir wrote...

To thouse who dont Belive it was planed from the start to deliver a true ending in DLC

How the hell they are going to write a new ending in 3 weeks ? I mean between 09/03/2012 and 06/04/2012 there is only for weeks. If we assume they decided to make a new ending becouse of the fan reaction how they could not have started working on it faster than a coupe of days aggo. This gices them a maximum of 3 weeks to deliver us a new ending !!

They were making LotSB for over 3 months how come they are able to make an ending DLC with just a 3 weeks. It is just enought time to make a tests on and prepare distribution, and not even starting working on the real ending.

The only posibility is they had that DLC prepared form the start. That is a fact.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to explain to a lot of people, but you know, i'm done. I mean, I just want to see what they say when Bioware says "This was... DUn dun dun! INDOCTRINATION! :D".  ^^




In the worst case scenario (IT being false), if they explain me, how, why and WHAT, I'll understand it.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Stumpykins wrote...

does anyone think that, even if this theory is true,
all bioware is going to do is add 1 ending that explains the plot holes and gives closure, we still wont get different endings. SO BASICALLY OUR CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SERIES STILL WONT MATTER IN DIVERSIFYING THE ENDING FOR PEOPLE. MAKING SERIES REPLAY OR EVEN ME3 REPLAY POINTLESS.

No, whatever the ending, replaying wont be pointless.

In case you did not notice, but our path to the ending was littered with events that were inpart shaped by our past choices, no matter the ending those are still there.

If you want an example try searching for the many outcomes the Genophage curing process can have depending on your actions. Here is a few examples.

Malorns data from ME2 decides wether Eve lives or dies.

If Wrex is alive, but you choose to not cure the genophage he learns of your deceit and confronts you on the Citadel, forcing you to kill him.

If Wrex was killed in ME1 and Eve is dead you get a Paragon/Renegade option to talk Mordin our of sacrificing himself. He instead goes to work on the Crucible.

That is just a three of the possible outcomes depending on your past choices.

Also who says that whatever ending they release (if they release an ending) is not tailored to our choices like the entire community is clamoring for.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Erethrian wrote...

Angmir wrote...

To thouse who dont Belive it was planed from the start to deliver a true ending in DLC

How the hell they are going to write a new ending in 3 weeks ? I mean between 09/03/2012 and 06/04/2012 there is only for weeks. If we assume they decided to make a new ending becouse of the fan reaction how they could not have started working on it faster than a coupe of days aggo. This gices them a maximum of 3 weeks to deliver us a new ending !!

They were making LotSB for over 3 months how come they are able to make an ending DLC with just a 3 weeks. It is just enought time to make a tests on and prepare distribution, and not even starting working on the real ending.

The only posibility is they had that DLC prepared form the start. That is a fact.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to explain to a lot of people, but you know, i'm done. I mean, I just want to see what they say when Bioware says "This was... DUn dun dun! INDOCTRINATION! :D".  ^^




In the worst case scenario (IT being false), if they explain me, how, why and WHAT, I'll understand it.

Exactly if they are gonna give us an extendded ending Bioware probably allready has it lying around ready for release (or at the every least are putting the finishing touches on it). Else it will probably take months as noted in the post.

[ArkkAngel007]

Angmir wrote...

To thouse who dont Belive it was planed from the start to deliver a true ending in DLC

How the hell they are going to write a new ending in 3 weeks ? I mean between 09/03/2012 and 06/04/2012 there is only for weeks. If we assume they decided to make a new ending becouse of the fan reaction how they could not have started working on it faster than a coupe of days aggo. This gices them a maximum of 3 weeks to deliver us a new ending !!

They were making LotSB for over 3 months how come they are able to make an ending DLC with just a 3 weeks. It is just enought time to make a tests on and prepare distribution, and not even starting working on the real ending.

The only posibility is they had that DLC prepared form the start. That is a fact.

Where are 3 weeks and those dates coming from?

Edit: Nvm, international way of stating the date.

They probably aren't releasing the DLC that day.  Only announcing it at the most.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 22 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[SCJ90]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

SCJ90 wrote...

Allright I have been thinking, I HOPE that the this theory is correct, I mean hell, all the "evidence" are there, I dont think that BW has 0 knowladge of the last scenes in the game, all the sign, the trees, dreams, conversation with TIM. But could it be that this where there intention, us to specualat while they have a good laugh, or are we seeing what we want to see?

As I said I hope but thier resent comments and statements doen't point towards this, PR and teasing but when the CEO made his artical it just seamse like they did not think about this and that everything is a suprise to them!

Im just thinking out loud here but what if this is just our "interpiation" of the end?

Hey, that's what it began as.  So if that's all that it turned out to be and BioWare gets it together in some other way, fine by me.

And of course BW doesn't have zero in the knowledge department.  We peasants are just not capable of handling such knowledge 

Well fair enough mate! That had just bugged me for a while!

And you are right about the knowladge part, they did make a complete and awsome game, just played the genophage mission. They just missed with the ending of the game, i will pray for this theory!

On a side note, in the genophage mission, if you had not known Mordin or Wrex at all, would any of you had taken the salarian deal?

[NigmaViper]

SCJ90 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

SCJ90 wrote...

Allright I have been thinking, I HOPE that the this theory is correct, I mean hell, all the "evidence" are there, I dont think that BW has 0 knowladge of the last scenes in the game, all the sign, the trees, dreams, conversation with TIM. But could it be that this where there intention, us to specualat while they have a good laugh, or are we seeing what we want to see?

As I said I hope but thier resent comments and statements doen't point towards this, PR and teasing but when the CEO made his artical it just seamse like they did not think about this and that everything is a suprise to them!

Im just thinking out loud here but what if this is just our "interpiation" of the end?

Hey, that's what it began as.  So if that's all that it turned out to be and BioWare gets it together in some other way, fine by me.

And of course BW doesn't have zero in the knowledge department.  We peasants are just not capable of handling such knowledge 

Well fair enough mate! That had just bugged me for a while!

And you are right about the knowladge part, they did make a complete and awsome game, just played the genophage mission. They just missed with the ending of the game, i will pray for this theory!

On a side note, in the genophage mission, if you had not known Mordin or Wrex at all, would any of you had taken the salarian deal?

I probably would have, the Krogan are dangerous, but I trust Wrex and Eve to keep them from attacking an already weakened galaxy... unless  makes that all worthless

[Stigweird85]

I'm going with an earlier suggestion and that the content is already on the disk. After all with such a large vocal cast you can hardly afford to bring them in for a rewrite.

If this was planned I expect Ray or someone to show a vid where Shep wakes up and Anderson will say Shep you still alive? This will then lead into a dramatic score as Shep charges the reapers one more time. Fade to black and the tag line that currently makes no sense: Take Back Earth

[greywardencommander]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

To thouse who dont Belive it was planed from the start to deliver a true ending in DLC

How the hell they are going to write a new ending in 3 weeks ? I mean between 09/03/2012 and 06/04/2012 there is only for weeks. If we assume they decided to make a new ending becouse of the fan reaction how they could not have started working on it faster than a coupe of days aggo. This gices them a maximum of 3 weeks to deliver us a new ending !!

They were making LotSB for over 3 months how come they are able to make an ending DLC with just a 3 weeks. It is just enought time to make a tests on and prepare distribution, and not even starting working on the real ending.

The only posibility is they had that DLC prepared form the start. That is a fact.

Where are 3 weeks and those dates coming from?

The fact that 9th March was second release day and when quite a few people were finishing the game from the 6th March release and started complaining about it. 6th April is Pax which given they said April it is most likely then given it is a huge gaming convention.

What they're trying to say is IF they didn't expect the outcry at how rubbishly done the endings were (the ideas themselves not even necessarily awful if it had been longer and explained better) they've been taken by surprise and will have only had a month come April to have done anything about it.

Thus in theory (perhaps) IDT, something similar, or something re. endings has been in the pipeline for a few months at least.

As you rightly say might just be an announcement, not sure that will cut it with a lot of people though (even those who believe in the theory could get annoyed with waiting)

Modifié par greywardencommander, 22 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[RedShft]

I like IT, as I've said many times before but with the recent blog post by Ray I find it hard to believe this was planned. I couldn't say what I think they were attempting to do with the ending. Really, the best idea I have is that they were aiming for discussion, controversy, and speculation, in effect not an ending we are used to in the ME series or even in a Bioware game.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RedShft wrote...

I like IT, as I've said many times before but with the recent blog post by Ray I find it hard to believe this was planned. I couldn't say what I think they were attempting to do with the ending. Really, the best idea I have is that they were aiming for discussion, controversy, and speculation, in effect not an ending we are used to in the ME series or even in a Bioware game.

Well they certainly got the discussion, controversy and speculation part down. Problems start when you look at the gaping plotholes, the unanswered questions and the alck of closure in a game series build around your choice.

IT fills out the blanks in the current ending and allows an epic finale to be build upon it.

[Stigweird85]

Also PAX booths require bookings in advance so they couldn't have got  a booth let alone a panel within a month.

If panel is Mass Effect specific and not simply Bioware we may be in for a surprise or two(or in for a public lynching if new DLC are costumes or MP)

Modifié par bigstig, 22 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[RedShft]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RedShft wrote...

I like IT, as I've said many times before but with the recent blog post by Ray I find it hard to believe this was planned. I couldn't say what I think they were attempting to do with the ending. Really, the best idea I have is that they were aiming for discussion, controversy, and speculation, in effect not an ending we are used to in the ME series or even in a Bioware game.

Well they certainly got the discussion, controversy and speculation part down. Problems start when you look at the gaping plotholes, the unanswered questions and the alck of closure in a game series build around your choice.

IT fills out the blanks in the current ending and allows an epic finale to be build upon it.

Yeah I agree. There's just so much information flowing around, I don't know what to believe now.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

bigstig wrote...

Also PAX booths require bookings in advance so they couldn't have got  a booth let alone a panel within a month.

If panel is Mass Effect specific and not simply Bioware we may be in for a surprise or two(or in for a public lynching if new DLC are costumes or MP)

Public lynching, that seriusly cracked me up. Perfect describtion of what will happen if they dont deliver.

[Pangaron]

I do not think that the blog post by Ray decreases chances of IT. Quite the opposite, he would have to address IT, or at least speculations generally to be it PR effective (if he wants to calm things down). I actually think that he wants us calm, but ready and a bit nervous.

[greywardencommander]

RedShft wrote...

I like IT, as I've said many times before but with the recent blog post by Ray I find it hard to believe this was planned. I couldn't say what I think they were attempting to do with the ending. Really, the best idea I have is that they were aiming for discussion, controversy, and speculation, in effect not an ending we are used to in the ME series or even in a Bioware game.

It could be they weren't expecting the verocity and disgusting behaviour of quite a few people I've seen on FB and particularly Twitter harassing anyone to do with Bioware. For me it was a lot of PR too, the wait and see, we're listening, we're taking everything on board, IMO it didn't rule out the fact they might have been planning on something like the IDT idea for DLC as he says 'current endings', wouldn't saying 'endings' have been more definitive and ended the speculation it was intended and all they're going to do is polish it up and give more closure etc?

Might also be they expected people to realise it would be built on with DLC/future games (regardless of if the ending is or isn't the 'end') considering DA:O, DA2, ME1, & ME2 all had DLC and in case of ME2 it was post game (Arrival) that directly linked with ME3 (regardless of if you played it)

[zakaryzb]

I liked IGN and now Colin Moriarty is starting to REALLY **** me off.

http://www.ign.com/v...erous-precedent

[greywardencommander]

GBGriffin wrote...

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

IT only exists under the basis that the real ending would be released later... That tweet means nothing.

It also only exists to make sense of the plotholes.

Fix the plotholes by expanding the endings -> no need for the IT.

IT exists because of the plotholes & says real ending to be released
Release real ending which explains plotholes = IT no longer exists because it is now IE, Indoctrination Ending

Just saying that the theory was created to answer the plotholes is accurate but to dismiss it entirely because 'plotholes are fixed' ignores the facts plotholes might have been deliberate thus the 'expanded ending' picks up where IT says Shepard still is - knocked out (or even half dead) in London