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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dorktainian wrote...

Shep is the catalyst. He meets star kid and realises its actually Harbinger. In this reality Harbinger is pretty ineffective against Vanguard Charge so shep Vanguard Charges Harbies ass off the Crucible. then lets bring string theory into the equation. shep can save the galaxy, but by dragging the reapers into an alternate universe - he has to go too and can never come back.

shep and the reapers are taken into an alternate universe through the citadel relay which then closes forever.

That universe by coincedence turns out to be the same universe where the Simon and his friends faced of against the Anti Spirals in the anime Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Then due to the insane amounts of badassness and "will to fight no matter the odds" in Shepard he manifests Spiral energy on a massive scale.

Meanwhile the Reapers gather their spiral energy together in a similar move.

Cue something like this:

Sheaprd then rips a hole in Space time and walks back to his own universe.

God I have wanted to mix Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann into this for so long.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 22 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[N7KnightSabre]

If they would just confirm this than the players won't be pissed, they'll be amazed that they were fooled. I think having Shepard indoctrinated is brilliant drama and makes sense since he/she has been around Reaper tech for so long. But they should definitely expand the endings.

[Erethrian]

greywardencommander wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

campozx6 wrote...

I really hope they don't go and change the ending! then it will be even more messed up and hard to follow!! They just need to add to the endings we already have.

Rest assured, they didn't say they were going to. They said they were looking at ways to clear things up. More closure, I very much doubt they'll strip out the last 10 minutes and make us go through an entirely new sequence instead. If IT theory is correct, then the final battle will start after waking up.

And we'll be there without having to "replay" the final mission in order to Take Earth Back!
 

don't have to, it can be done without having destroy as the 'canon' option meaning lots more potential endings regarding an indoctrinated Shepard, see my post above and the link in my signature

yeah, you're right, and maybe it's the right way. But still thinking "You know people... Our Shepards survived! :devil:"

[zakaryzb]

I'm sure this has been addressed, but the idea about there being something "higher" than the reapers was suggested. I believe it was either Javik or the Prothean VI that stated that there seemed to be something more to the cycles and that every cycle seemed to go through a similar overall process before the reapers appear, ie the sentient/organic wars. And Javik also mentions that his people were in a major war with sentient beings that they created right before the reapers arrived.

I am still a supporter of IT but a part of me also sees the little bit of evidence that supports the ending as it currently stands, Bioware just approached it horribly wrong leaving everyone confused.  I know Shepard proved this wrong, but it has never happened in the past, hence the cycles.

Modifié par zakaryzb, 22 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[greywardencommander]

campozx6 wrote...

I really hope they don't go and change the ending! then it will be even more messed up and hard to follow!! They just need to add to the endings we already have.

I STRONGLY believe that the IT is so important to ME3. It proves that Shep and you the player can fall to the reapers. If you and Shep managed to overcome Indoctrination (chose the destroy option) then you havent just won a main boss with some button smashing and a couple of restarts. You have finished the game with a mental victory bigger than any game before. Bioware went to such lengths to make this possible by using subliminal stimuli and classic conditioning. http://en.wikipedia....al_conditioning     By constantly rewarding you in a positive manner with the paragon choice with blue and giving the final 3 choices a colour difference is just one example of this.

And I don't know why people can't see that the "ghost child" was not actually a ghost child, it was harbinger. ( I have read so many posts about people not knowing why there was a ghost child, and want bioware to take him out because they don't know what he was) Just see the CODEX in mass effect about how indoctrination works and seeing ghostly figures. One have to admit that "he" managed to indoctrinate allot of players and their Sheps. I am sure even the people that opted for the destroy option had a couple of seconds of doubt.

All they need to do is pick up from where this game finished and give us an epic ending, one that can give us all closure.

I am a 4th year Psychology MA at university and agree regarding the classical conditioning, also it's the stroop task with the inverted colours, you have to look at what's in the meaning and the Anderson and TIM bit rather than just the colour

In the stroop task you have green and you have to say what colour the letters are, you either say red (the real answer) or green which is what you read, or what colour does the word say, you either say green (the real answer) or red, it messes with your ability to process the stimuli

http://en.wikipedia....i/Stroop_effect 

Modifié par greywardencommander, 22 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[ShepardTheHopeful]

I keep reading this over and over again and despite the "Evidence" I've yet to see actual definitive proof. All I feel this is is a theory of pixie dust and space magic. The idea of "A reaper did it" Just doesn't seem feasible to me and even if they did the theory makes no sense. Why is Shepard different from every other indoctrinated creature over out of every species from billions of years past? and given the numbers of the reaper fleet at a rate of one reaper per species it had to have been at least a few billion years. Why do the reapers completely screw up a billion year plan for one human? Why do they need to "Trick him?" Why is he so special that the reapers have to literally accept the fact that Shepard is above them and try to fool him with this devious illusion?

Apparently the Reapers are much more insecure than they want to let us believe...."Ack a human beat one of our hundreds of thousands of advanced ships! using an armada of soldiers at their peak of strength...we'd better take care of this guy he could be trouble!"

[greywardencommander]

zakaryzb wrote...

I'm sure this has been addressed, but the idea about there being something "higher" than the reapers was suggested. I believe it was either Javik or the Prothean VI that stated that there seemed to be something more to the cycles and that every cycle seemed to go through a similar overall process before the reapers appear, ie the sentient/organic wars. And Javik also mentions that his people were in a major war with sentient beings that they created right before the reapers arrived.

I am still a supporter of IT but a part of me also sees the little bit of evidence that supports the ending as it currently stands, Bioware just approached it horribly wrong leaving everyone confused.  I know Shepard proved this wrong, but it has never happened in the past, hence the cycles.

we're saying you can still have something higher than the reapers in the actual ending, even the star child but have it better explained and even have the ability to say 'you're wrong' in a lot of our interpretations the star child can still exist but not as the catalyst, that's Shepard. Maybe you can convince him that not all synthetic life look to destroy their creators e.g geth and Edi and he gives you the chance to 'shut the Reapers down' and maybe even gives an ultimatum, if war breaks out with the synthetics and organics the Reapers and I will finish what we started.

[FellishBeast]

zakaryzb wrote...

I'm sure this has been addressed, but the idea about there being something "higher" than the reapers was suggested. I believe it was either Javik or the Prothean VI that stated that there seemed to be something more to the cycles and that every cycle seemed to go through a similar overall process before the reapers appear, ie the sentient/organic wars. And Javik also mentions that his people were in a major war with sentient beings that they created right before the reapers arrived.

I am still a supporter of IT but a part of me also sees the little bit of evidence that supports the ending as it currently stands, Bioware just approached it horribly wrong leaving everyone confused.  I know Shepard proved this wrong, but it has never happened in the past, hence the cycles.

I have no problem with there being something "higher." But maybe more ambiguous and sinister than a god-child. And even IF all the cycles fell into some sort of synthetic/organic war, the kid's logic still makes no sense.

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I keep reading this over and over again and despite the "Evidence" I've yet to see actual definitive proof. All I feel this is is a theory of pixie dust and space magic. The idea of "A reaper did it" Just doesn't seem feasible to me and even if they did the theory makes no sense. Why is Shepard different from every other indoctrinated creature over out of every species from billions of years past? and given the numbers of the reaper fleet at a rate of one reaper per species it had to have been at least a few billion years. Why do the reapers completely screw up a billion year plan for one human? Why do they need to "Trick him?" Why is he so special that the reapers have to literally accept the fact that Shepard is above them and try to fool him with this devious illusion?

Apparently the Reapers are much more insecure than they want to let us believe...."Ack a human beat one of our hundreds of thousands of advanced ships! using an armada of soldiers at their peak of strength...we'd better take care of this guy he could be trouble!"

haha I know where you're coming from but I had to laugh with the 'theory of pixie dust and space magic' that's exactly what the real endings are

also 'the theory makes no sense because a reaper did it' so Harbinger has a thing for getting Shepard, that's happened throughout ME2 so it's not even improbable let alone impossible, maybe he wants him badly because he'd be a great new Reaper leader who knows. Throw in the fact it's typical sci-fi, movie, video game garbage that one man/woman is the be all and end all and it's not so unusal

Plus controlling Shepard could be the difference between harvesting the galaxy in say 6 months, and the hundreds of years against the Protheans, they like efficiency like anyone no doubt.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 22 mars 2012 - 09:07 .

[FellishBeast]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I keep reading this over and over again and despite the "Evidence" I've yet to see actual definitive proof. All I feel this is is a theory of pixie dust and space magic. The idea of "A reaper did it" Just doesn't seem feasible to me and even if they did the theory makes no sense. Why is Shepard different from every other indoctrinated creature over out of every species from billions of years past? and given the numbers of the reaper fleet at a rate of one reaper per species it had to have been at least a few billion years. Why do the reapers completely screw up a billion year plan for one human? Why do they need to "Trick him?" Why is he so special that the reapers have to literally accept the fact that Shepard is above them and try to fool him with this devious illusion?

Apparently the Reapers are much more insecure than they want to let us believe...."Ack a human beat one of our hundreds of thousands of advanced ships! using an armada of soldiers at their peak of strength...we'd better take care of this guy he could be trouble!"

Harbinger continually shows his interest in Shepard throughout ME2. Shepard impressed the Reapers with his interruptions. They value specimens such as Shepard for some reason...not entirely sure why, but they want him.

This doesn't make any less sense than Harbinger MISSING Shepard then immediately flying away and leaving a beam up to a control center that can destroy everything they've been doing for millenias.

[JustAidan]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I keep reading this over and over again and despite the "Evidence" I've yet to see actual definitive proof. All I feel this is is a theory of pixie dust and space magic. The idea of "A reaper did it" Just doesn't seem feasible to me and even if they did the theory makes no sense. Why is Shepard different from every other indoctrinated creature over out of every species from billions of years past? and given the numbers of the reaper fleet at a rate of one reaper per species it had to have been at least a few billion years. Why do the reapers completely screw up a billion year plan for one human? Why do they need to "Trick him?" Why is he so special that the reapers have to literally accept the fact that Shepard is above them and try to fool him with this devious illusion?

Apparently the Reapers are much more insecure than they want to let us believe...."Ack a human beat one of our hundreds of thousands of advanced ships! using an armada of soldiers at their peak of strength...we'd better take care of this guy he could be trouble!"

What the others above said plus:

I think the IT is more about how Shepard is just as vunerable as any other creature, just his willpower is keeping it at bay for now. This was seen for other characters through the series who resisted it for long periods of time or even short periods like Saren etc.

The Reapers aren't really going after Shepard directly, indoctrination is a passive ability they have.
That said, indoctrinating Shepard would have great benefits to them and could fundamentally underline the Alliance and cause massive moral damage all those fighting against the Reapers.

Good point about the number of ships; maybe more than one Reaper can be made from one species?

Modifié par JustAidan, 22 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Tylea002]

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I keep reading this over and over again and despite the "Evidence" I've yet to see actual definitive proof. All I feel this is is a theory of pixie dust and space magic. The idea of "A reaper did it" Just doesn't seem feasible to me and even if they did the theory makes no sense. Why is Shepard different from every other indoctrinated creature over out of every species from billions of years past? and given the numbers of the reaper fleet at a rate of one reaper per species it had to have been at least a few billion years. Why do the reapers completely screw up a billion year plan for one human? Why do they need to "Trick him?" Why is he so special that the reapers have to literally accept the fact that Shepard is above them and try to fool him with this devious illusion?

Apparently the Reapers are much more insecure than they want to let us believe...."Ack a human beat one of our hundreds of thousands of advanced ships! using an armada of soldiers at their peak of strength...we'd better take care of this guy he could be trouble!"

haha I know where you're coming from but I had to laugh with the 'theory of pixie dust and space magic' that's exactly what the real endings are

Shepard is different because we already know Harbinger hates the guy. Sovereign didn't give two hoots, but as the ME2 dialogue shows, Harby takes it personally. Shepard has become the beacon of hope for the entire galaxy, and Harbinger 1) knows that if he controls that, he can lead the entire galaxy straight into a reaper harvest and 2) wants Shepard to accept defeat.

I don't think Shepard is special - the way I read the theory, inoctrination is a choice, you need to give yourself up to the reapers, but the reapers just stack the evidence and deck in their favour that the person always choses their side; thus why they believe they're doing the right thing for their own aims. The more I think about it, the more this interpretation makes sense.

[greywardencommander]

Tylea002 wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I keep reading this over and over again and despite the "Evidence" I've yet to see actual definitive proof. All I feel this is is a theory of pixie dust and space magic. The idea of "A reaper did it" Just doesn't seem feasible to me and even if they did the theory makes no sense. Why is Shepard different from every other indoctrinated creature over out of every species from billions of years past? and given the numbers of the reaper fleet at a rate of one reaper per species it had to have been at least a few billion years. Why do the reapers completely screw up a billion year plan for one human? Why do they need to "Trick him?" Why is he so special that the reapers have to literally accept the fact that Shepard is above them and try to fool him with this devious illusion?

Apparently the Reapers are much more insecure than they want to let us believe...."Ack a human beat one of our hundreds of thousands of advanced ships! using an armada of soldiers at their peak of strength...we'd better take care of this guy he could be trouble!"

haha I know where you're coming from but I had to laugh with the 'theory of pixie dust and space magic' that's exactly what the real endings are

Shepard is different because we already know Harbinger hates the guy. Sovereign didn't give two hoots, but as the ME2 dialogue shows, Harby takes it personally. Shepard has become the beacon of hope for the entire galaxy, and Harbinger 1) knows that if he controls that, he can lead the entire galaxy straight into a reaper harvest and 2) wants Shepard to accept defeat.

I don't think Shepard is special - the way I read the theory, inoctrination is a choice, you need to give yourself up to the reapers, but the reapers just stack the evidence and deck in their favour that the person always choses their side; thus why they believe they're doing the right thing for their own aims. The more I think about it, the more this interpretation makes sense.

you left out the rest of my point 

Modifié par greywardencommander, 22 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[campozx6]

greywardencommander wrote...

campozx6 wrote...

I really hope they don't go and change the ending! then it will be even more messed up and hard to follow!! They just need to add to the endings we already have.

I STRONGLY believe that the IT is so important to ME3. It proves that Shep and you the player can fall to the reapers. If you and Shep managed to overcome Indoctrination (chose the destroy option) then you havent just won a main boss with some button smashing and a couple of restarts. You have finished the game with a mental victory bigger than any game before. Bioware went to such lengths to make this possible by using subliminal stimuli and classic conditioning. http://en.wikipedia....al_conditioning     By constantly rewarding you in a positive manner with the paragon choice with blue and giving the final 3 choices a colour difference is just one example of this.

And I don't know why people can't see that the "ghost child" was not actually a ghost child, it was harbinger. ( I have read so many posts about people not knowing why there was a ghost child, and want bioware to take him out because they don't know what he was) Just see the CODEX in mass effect about how indoctrination works and seeing ghostly figures. One have to admit that "he" managed to indoctrinate allot of players and their Sheps. I am sure even the people that opted for the destroy option had a couple of seconds of doubt.

All they need to do is pick up from where this game finished and give us an epic ending, one that can give us all closure.

I am a 4th year Psychology MA at university and agree regarding the classical conditioning, also it's the stroop task with the inverted colours, you have to look at what's in the meaning and the Anderson and TIM bit rather than just the colour

In the stroop task you have green and you have to say what colour the letters are, you either say red (the real answer) or green which is what you read, or what colour does the word say, you either say green (the real answer) or red, it messes with your ability to process the stimuli

http://en.wikipedia....i/Stroop_effect 

The link was very interesting!!  I def. agree with the meaning of Anderson and TIM,  the whole game is full of various examples, and their use of music etc. to create a receptive ambiance is fantastic!!  Even giving EDI a body and interactions with Joker and Shep make the choices harbinger(ghost child) gives you so much more challenging to resist.  There are so many examples!!

Modifié par campozx6, 22 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[FrostByte-GER]

Anything new?

[greywardencommander]

campozx6 wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

campozx6 wrote...

I really hope they don't go and change the ending! then it will be even more messed up and hard to follow!! They just need to add to the endings we already have.

I STRONGLY believe that the IT is so important to ME3. It proves that Shep and you the player can fall to the reapers. If you and Shep managed to overcome Indoctrination (chose the destroy option) then you havent just won a main boss with some button smashing and a couple of restarts. You have finished the game with a mental victory bigger than any game before. Bioware went to such lengths to make this possible by using subliminal stimuli and classic conditioning. http://en.wikipedia....al_conditioning     By constantly rewarding you in a positive manner with the paragon choice with blue and giving the final 3 choices a colour difference is just one example of this.

And I don't know why people can't see that the "ghost child" was not actually a ghost child, it was harbinger. ( I have read so many posts about people not knowing why there was a ghost child, and want bioware to take him out because they don't know what he was) Just see the CODEX in mass effect about how indoctrination works and seeing ghostly figures. One have to admit that "he" managed to indoctrinate allot of players and their Sheps. I am sure even the people that opted for the destroy option had a couple of seconds of doubt.

All they need to do is pick up from where this game finished and give us an epic ending, one that can give us all closure.

I am a 4th year Psychology MA at university and agree regarding the classical conditioning, also it's the stroop task with the inverted colours, you have to look at what's in the meaning and the Anderson and TIM bit rather than just the colour

In the stroop task you have green and you have to say what colour the letters are, you either say red (the real answer) or green which is what you read, or what colour does the word say, you either say green (the real answer) or red, it messes with your ability to process the stimuli

http://en.wikipedia....i/Stroop_effect 

The link was very interesting!!  I def. agree with the meaning of Anderson and TIM,  the whole game is full of various examples, and their use of music etc. to create a receptive ambiance is fantastic!!  Even giving EDI and interactions with Joker and Shep makes the choices harbinger(ghost child) gives you so much more challenging to resist.  There are so many examples!!

I also think it's been stated at least one of them has some sort of background in psychology, degree maybe. Not sure it's confirmed though. If it's true I'd bet it's Casey 

[Stigweird85]

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, ho do you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

Modifié par bigstig, 22 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[greywardencommander]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Anything new?

Not from Bioware since the PR not really saying anything other than more Mass Effect will happen in the future statement yesterday no

Unless you count this www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/22/mass_effect_3_survey_scam/

i'm not saying anyone here would fall for it but PC users beware

[thehomeworld]

bigstig wrote...

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, how you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

So for all 3 games all paras where actually going along with their reaper programming and rens where fighting against it? Makes no sense before 2 and during 2 the largest case I've got where there would be evidence to support it would be arrival para shep's no matter what  assume its the Rho relay they'll come through and just blow it up. The visioned show A relay not the Rho relay last I saw there was no sign above the relay saying " you're now exiting the Rho relay"

[campozx6]

bigstig wrote...

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, how you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

Well I think if I didn't choose the destroy option, I prob. would have been angry.  But I think that would have been more of an ego thing than actually angry at bioware for being able to do it.  To be honest, I like the fact that they have been playing with my mind, you know... all the research into Virtual Reality, 3d-4d tv experience, different peripherals all to make the games for real.  Well, they don't come for REAL than this!!  they made the battle as real as what you can get. I loved it!  granted they didn't indoctrinate me

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

bigstig wrote...

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, ho do you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

I feel it is an unprecendented ahcievement for a game to do something like that if it is true, which only makes the experience all the more memorable.

Granted I did not fall for the trick, but i had a few moments considering Synthesis before going Destruction on the Reapers ass.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

thehomeworld wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, how you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

So for all 3 games all paras where actually going along with their reaper programming and rens where fighting against it? Makes no sense before 2 and during 2 the largest case I've got where there would be evidence to support it would be arrival para shep's no matter what  assume its the Rho relay they'll come through and just blow it up. The visioned show A relay not the Rho relay last I saw there was no sign above the relay saying " you're now exiting the Rho relay"

You missunderstand.

The player was the one beeing Indoctrinated through those 3 games. We were taught that Blue = Good/para and Red = Bad/ren. It was not that Sheaprd was indoctrinated all that time, but that we gamers got into a ruotine, something that Bioware might just have used to bite us in the ass at the end by the end.

[greywardencommander]

thehomeworld wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, how you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

So for all 3 games all paras where actually going along with their reaper programming and rens where fighting against it? Makes no sense before 2 and during 2 the largest case I've got where there would be evidence to support it would be arrival para shep's no matter what  assume its the Rho relay they'll come through and just blow it up. The visioned show A relay not the Rho relay last I saw there was no sign above the relay saying " you're now exiting the Rho relay"

haha someone missed the point. No the switch is ONLY in the last 10 mins what we regard as a hallucination. So know you've not been 'going with the Reapers' for the previous 2 and 95/100ths of the series. The switch to us is evidence that the last 10 minutes happened nowhere other than his mind where' he's fighting Harbinger's attempt to control him.

We have been conditioned to think blue = good, red = bad so the deliberate 'mistake' at the end with Anderson and TIM should have alerted the gamer.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 22 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Stigweird85]

thehomeworld wrote...

So for all 3 games all paras where actually going along with their reaper programming and rens where fighting against it? Makes no sense before 2 and during 2 the largest case I've got where there would be evidence to support it would be arrival para shep's no matter what  assume its the Rho relay they'll come through and just blow it up. The visioned show A relay not the Rho relay last I saw there was no sign above the relay saying " you're now exiting the Rho relay"

No not every decision, as someone else described it you have been conditioned blue good red bad. The final choice is definitely deliberate and thinking about there was one or two paragon/renegade choice in 3 which didn't seem natural

  
One example on the citadel it is a renegade action to finish the who else is like us chant with the marines in purgatory

[greywardencommander]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

thehomeworld wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Yes if nothing else the reversal of colours is a pretty clear indicator of a bigger picture. We have been trained for 5 Years that blue good red bad but to get the good ending you need to make the bad choice.


Funny you should mention the physcology link, I had the exact same conversation with my dad(also a fan) when I mention the founders were both Drs

Can you imagine the implications if this there is truth to that, how you feel knowing you have actually been mind f*cked

So for all 3 games all paras where actually going along with their reaper programming and rens where fighting against it? Makes no sense before 2 and during 2 the largest case I've got where there would be evidence to support it would be arrival para shep's no matter what  assume its the Rho relay they'll come through and just blow it up. The visioned show A relay not the Rho relay last I saw there was no sign above the relay saying " you're now exiting the Rho relay"

You missunderstand.

The player was the one beeing Indoctrinated through those 3 games. We were taught that Blue = Good/para and Red = Bad/ren. It was not that Sheaprd was indoctrinated all that time, but that we gamers got into a ruotine, something that Bioware might just have used to bite us in the ass at the end by the end.

not quite, we were 'conditioned' with the colours not indoctrinated but otherwise yes, so in essence they wanted us to take a step back and think hang on a minute this isn't right, and click destroy.