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[N7xELITE]

Cpt_Hook wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Just wondering if someone has noticed that before.
When Shepard sits beside Anderson on the Citadel he is starting to bleed from nose and mouth and at the belly where he has shot Anderson, his arm becomes soaked in blood. But when he is on the Crucible this additional blood is gone from his arm and face.

Space magic 

Perhaps there was a yellow light to get you clean again...

Its all part of the dream

[tomhagen27]

hey guys did anybody see this? it was posted in here yesterday but i didn't see any responses to it...makes me sadface

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

of course it's all just alleged but doesn't sound too good

[greywardencommander]

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

a.m.p wrote...

First of all, you people who dug all this up are amazing. I never believed the IT was planned, but I really think that’s the best way out of the current mess.

So the community has been coming up with ideas how to build an ending from the indoctrination theory. I am a bit late to the party, but thought I might contribute. Had a bigger post with different options, will post just the IT-relevant stuff here.

Let’s say the Crucible is a simple off switch that disables all reapers everywhere and blows up relays as a side effect. TIM was on the citadel but the reapers killed him as soon as he delivered the citadel to them, so we don’t have to deal with him anymore. (that is a personal preference because tim annoys me to no end since me2, I can’t come up with any good ideas on how to deal with him either than just shoot him on sight). Anderson and a few generic soldiers follow you onto the citadel in every option and heroically die there, holding back opposition so you and your team can get to the crucible control panel.

  Three options result in:

1.    Destroy – you wake up in London, in control of yourself, wounded but still capable to fight. Harbinger flew away, because the Normandy and a bunch of ships attacked it. Now it’s about to come back on your head again. Your squad joins you, also burned and wounded. Then you move onto the citadel where you fight through more opposition. But since all you previously saw was a hallucination you are not sure about the whole blowing up relays thing. You share your doubts with squadmates who provide a reasonable assessment just how bad that would be for the galaxy. You get to the crucible, find out it will indeed blow up relays. You choose whether to do it or not.

2.    Synthesis – you wake up partially indoctrinated, tim-eyes and all, but still in control. You have to persuade your squadmates to even follow you. Shortly before the very end, at the console, that just the three of you reached, a cutscene starts where you are about to shoot one of your squadmates in the back. Paragon interrupt to instead shoot yourself. If you don’t take it, the other teammate (never a LI) shoots you instead. Team finishes the job depending on what you did with the collector base. If you blew it up, they blow reapers up. If you kept it, they don’t.

3.    Control. You wake up and you are indoctrinated. Same as synthesis, you persuade the team to trust you, enter the citadel, fight your way to the control room, but it’s easy, because the reaper forces are actually giving you way. Before the console you shoot everyone in a cutscene. You don’t get the interrupt to stop it. You watch them die and that shakes you out of it for a moment. You approach the console and choose whether to push the button or not. Then indoctrination sets back in, and you have to do another interrupt to shoot yourself. If don’t, you sabotage the crucible and outcome depends on EMS.

Cue either a red explosion or a space battle, outcome of which depends on EMS

Aside from the destruction of the relays, these are awesome ideas. My only problem with relay destruction is that they've settled that relay explosions take out entire systems... so unless they make up some bs excuse (like the current one does... except there is no excuse, just space magic ) then it would make more sense for them to either stay intact, or to be destroyed but also kill everyone else... which would suck.

My idea incorporates some of these and adds some gameplay stuff in between waking up either indoctrinated and the end 
http://social.biowar.../index/10350970 as well as not really changing anything with regards to crucible or even starchild (though it's actually an AI in reality)

[N7xELITE]

Turns out Shepard wakes up just before the Eden prime mission in mass effect 1 , that is mass effect 3`s ending.

[Rob Psyence]

Fubarman wrote...

My response is to OP, sorry everyone that I won't sift through 800 pages. You're really overthinking this man, and even if shepard was indoctrinated we see the reapers leave earth, we see joker crash on an unknown planet, we also get the stargazers and they look pretty human to me.

Now I'm sorry I don't have names I should google it, but didn't a main writer leave after some endings had been developed and leaked. And didn't bioware change it, but kept some of the material. It's possible that there was an indoctrinated ending planned and some of the subtlies got overlooked.

Also just to argue the indoctrination theory the destroying the reapers (your beating the indoctrination) really doesn't differ from the others. Why would it show them dieing if the whole thing was a dream? And what does it matter if shepards indoctrinated if he's buried in a pile of rubble? How does that help the reapers? None of it makes any sense it all needs to be scraped.

How does him being in the rubble indoctorinated help? Well lets see, oh that's right Shepard was going to kill the reapers. Indoctorinating him to prevent this and be under their complete control makes complete sense. And im sorry but TIM being shown as paragon and Anderson as renegade is not a "subtlty" or an "oversight." Neither is TIM making you shoot anderson. And the destroy ending IS different from the other two for the simple fact its the only way to get the "Shepard wakes up" ending.

Modifié par Rob Psyence, 22 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[Cpt_Hook]

N7xELITE wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Just wondering if someone has noticed that before.
When Shepard sits beside Anderson on the Citadel he is starting to bleed from nose and mouth and at the belly where he has shot Anderson, his arm becomes soaked in blood. But when he is on the Crucible this additional blood is gone from his arm and face.

Space magic 

Perhaps there was a yellow light to get you clean again...

Its all part of the dream

That was what I actually was getting at.

After the first indoctrination attempted (conversation)
failed Shepard died. The mind game was reset and continued on the Crucible.
Shepard is no longer hurt and harbinger starts a new attempt.

[Ziggeh]

I'm really wierded out that people are actively supporting the Bobby Ewing plot switch.

[Rob Psyence]

accidental post lol

Modifié par Rob Psyence, 22 mars 2012 - 10:46 .

[greywardencommander]

tomhagen27 wrote...

hey guys did anybody see this? it was posted in here yesterday but i didn't see any responses to it...makes me sadface

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

of course it's all just alleged but doesn't sound too good

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings 

[JustAidan]

]Fubarman wrote...
Why would it show them dieing if the whole thing was a dream?
[/quote]

Because that was in Shepard's head conjured by his own mind in worry about them.

[quote]Fubarman wrote...

And what does it matter if shepards indoctrinated if he's buried in a
pile of rubble? How does that help the reapers? None of it makes any
sense it all needs to be scraped. [/quote]

Doesn't help the Reapers at all in that case, it is a passive effect they have on all organic life.


That
said it is possible that the entire indoctrination thing was ment to be removed and we are just seeing all the hints they left in by accident. The only out of game reason that this would happen is if the ending was extremely poorly done but this would be odd considering the level of detail and quality in the rest of the game.
So lots of people are giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt.

There is a big list of stuff around here somewhere to address if you want to prove that the theory is baseless.

Easiest one to mention is:
In the Destroy ending Shepard can be seen breathing under a pile of concret, if the ending is taken literally how did Shepard survive
1) The explosion of the Citadel (Its complete destruction is pretty blatent)
2) The lack of oxygen/decompression/space (Loss of Mass effect fields)
3) Re-entry
4) The fall to earth

If it was an indoctrination attempt, Shepard still alive, on earth and regaining consciousness after it.

Edit: This forum moves so quickly 0_0''

Modifié par JustAidan, 22 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[tomhagen27]

greywardencommander wrote...

tomhagen27 wrote...

hey guys did anybody see this? it was posted in here yesterday but i didn't see any responses to it...makes me sadface

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

of course it's all just alleged but doesn't sound too good

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings 

i don't see how those 2 links have anything to do with each other, can you clarify?

[Sammuthegreat]

I like the above quoted ideas. Perhaps they could be blended with mine...

I'd like it if there were some way of reversing your decision in the Starchild sequence once you find out that it was all a hallucination. I'm not 100% sure how that could work though.

What I would like to see for indoctrinated Shepards is a scene where he turns on his squadmates. Perhaps your reputation could help you here - there could be occasional Paragon/Renegade interrupts where you could "fight back" against the indoctrination, and pull Shepard's gun aside to stop him from killing a squadmate? Perhaps your war assets would determine your fate - the higher the war assets, the more people there are to remind Indoctrinated Shepard of what he was originally fighting for? Perhaps this could make him the first person to successfully break free of indoctrination, or alternatively he could break free just long enough to kill himself, like Saren, or TIM in the hallucination, but by sacrificing himself to save the galaxy (e.g. by firing the real Crucible or something similar).

EDIT: the ^above^ in table form:

Chose Destroy with EMS >5000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. All squadmates survive and the reapers are beaten.
Chose Destroy with EMS between 4000 and 5000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. One or two squadmates die.
Chose Destroy with EMS between 3000 and 4000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. One or two squadmates die, plus your love interest if you have one.
Chose Destroy with EMS between 2000 and 3000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. All squadmates, including love interest, die, and Shepard sacrifices himself to beat the reapers. Dire consequences for the Alliance/Earth.
Chose Destroy with EMS <2000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. Squaddies and Shepard all die, and reapers win.

Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS >5000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free (after turning on squadmates) and is able to finish the fight.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS between 4000 and 5000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free after killing a squadmate or two, and proceeds to finish the fight. Survives.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS between 3000 and 4000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free after killing a squadmate or two, long enough to sacrifice himself to finish the fight.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS between 2000 and 3000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free long enough to let a squadmate kill him/kill himself before he does any more damage. Squadmate may finish the fight, but with dire consequences for the Alliance/Earth.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS <2000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but fails to break free. He kills most/all of his squadmates, and the reapers win.

This would also allow for the possibility of failure. If your war assets are too low, then you don't break out of indoctrination, and the reapers use you as an agent to bring down the Alliance resistance from within.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 22 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[N7xELITE]

Cpt_Hook wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Just wondering if someone has noticed that before.
When Shepard sits beside Anderson on the Citadel he is starting to bleed from nose and mouth and at the belly where he has shot Anderson, his arm becomes soaked in blood. But when he is on the Crucible this additional blood is gone from his arm and face.

Space magic 

Perhaps there was a yellow light to get you clean again...

Its all part of the dream

That was what I actually was getting at.

After the first indoctrination attempted (conversation)
failed Shepard died. The mind game was reset and continued on the Crucible.
Shepard is no longer hurt and harbinger starts a new attempt.

To be honest i do not know what bioware is playing at because nothing adds up, They say these ending were meant to be but then there are these little things that prove them wrong, like the shepard is alive scene at the end.  WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON  confuse fans much???

Modifié par N7xELITE, 22 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[monrapias]

Has this been posted?? http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

[UrgentArchengel]

Crack's a hell of a drug...

[Stigweird85]

Yes the writer slamming it has been denied as a hoax by Christ priestly

[N7xELITE]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Crack's a hell of a drug...

By the looks of it thats what bioware used at the time LoL :devil:Jokes:bandit:

Modifié par N7xELITE, 22 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Stigweird85]

Also replaying it I realise there is closure

Genophage cured,
Quatrains on their home world

Major story arcs reach a conclusion, okay we don't see the after effects but the story does finish

[XXIceColdXX]

Keep holding the line!

[N7xELITE]

bigstig wrote...

Also replaying it I realise there is closure

Genophage cured,
Quatrains on their home world

Major story arcs reach a conclusion, okay we don't see the after effects but the story does finish

What about little blue babies with liara???

[nyrocron]

tbh I don't even like the original intent that much. The dark energy idea is okay, but the way it's descibed it would basically have been even less (two instead of three) choices.

The current rage is - as far as I see things - mostly because of the inconsistencies in its execution, which is why theories like this one try to explain those inconsistencies and even provide ways to continue based on the current ending.

[tomhagen27]

bigstig wrote...

Yes the writer slamming it has been denied as a hoax by Christ priestly

so somebody hacked his penny arcade account then to do that? because...it was done with his account. do you happen to have a link?

[titusrsoooooo1337]

N7xELITE wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Also replaying it I realise there is closure

Genophage cured,
Quatrains on their home world

Major story arcs reach a conclusion, okay we don't see the after effects but the story does finish

What about little blue babies with liara???

Sincerely, 
-99% of BSN

[nyrocron]

N7xELITE wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Also replaying it I realise there is closure

Genophage cured,
Quatrains on their home world

Major story arcs reach a conclusion, okay we don't see the after effects but the story does finish

What about little blue babies with liara???

THIS!

[greywardencommander]

tomhagen27 wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

tomhagen27 wrote...

hey guys did anybody see this? it was posted in here yesterday but i didn't see any responses to it...makes me sadface

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

of course it's all just alleged but doesn't sound too good

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings 

i don't see how those 2 links have anything to do with each other, can you clarify?

I saw this because I was going to say Patrick Weekes should have been ME3 lead he wrote Mordin after all

then I saw that Drew Karpyshyn had said that something I missed before,
as an unbiased person and the original post was hinting that the endings are as they are I thought I'd point out that was how Drew envisioned the end of his series which may support that idea and accidently deleted everything i said when I posted