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[ShepardTheHopeful]

Oh and for the record in ME2 he falls to the planet you can see it in the opening cut scene so he's done this EXACT scenario before.

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As previously stated, that was mentioned a long time ago, and many times since. Honestly, the ShepAlive ending clip is the most telling point towards something not being right. If things were as the are presented at face value, why even bother having that clip made? 'Could've saved a small chunk of the budget there.

They had that clip because they seriously expected us to believe Shepard could survive he Citadel exploding.

To drive my point home, they seriously thought we would like the RGB endings. That should be quite telling of how correct their assessments have been so far.

There's no secrets, no ulterior plan, no hidden messages, just a company that has fallen so far that they can no longer see their own mistakes.

Why? And if so, why not use it as a way to explain the DLC?

Who says Shepard couldn't survive that did absolutely none of you play 2? The man died and got better! I mean he was blown up burnt left in space with no air for HOURS  and somehow survive it all? So basically you're telling me the man who survived getting blown up and left in space with no air couldn't survive falling with no air? And hey maybe he doesn't burn up maybe the o-zone in the future sucks from global warming but with the tech we have it doesn't matter. Who knows we know virtually nothing about futuristic earth in this game it's never really been of interest until it was attacked. So the idea of shepard making it to earth and surviving is just as likely as it all being a dream to me!

yeah the guy died in ME2 mate...nice to see you paid attention

Yeah I know he did...and he got better...

he didn't 'get better' he was brought back by future technology granted but if that's HOW he survived then why is he under a pile of rubble clearly still in the same place. It took 2 years to bring him back in ME2, you telling me they left him like that for 2 years as doctors and whatever else ran around examining him and treated him. Yeah whatever mate

[Bawbtheepic]

Anyone got Steam?

[Either.Ardrey]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As previously stated, that was mentioned a long time ago, and many times since. Honestly, the ShepAlive ending clip is the most telling point towards something not being right. If things were as the are presented at face value, why even bother having that clip made? 'Could've saved a small chunk of the budget there.

They had that clip because they seriously expected us to believe Shepard could survive he Citadel exploding.

To drive my point home, they seriously thought we would like the RGB endings. That should be quite telling of how correct their assessments have been so far.

There's no secrets, no ulterior plan, no hidden messages, just a company that has fallen so far that they can no longer see their own mistakes.

Why? And if so, why not use it as a way to explain the DLC?

Who says Shepard couldn't survive that did absolutely none of you play 2? The man died and got better! I mean he was blown up burnt left in space with no air for HOURS  and somehow survive it all? So basically you're telling me the man who survived getting blown up and left in space with no air couldn't survive falling with no air? And hey maybe he doesn't burn up maybe the o-zone in the future sucks from global warming but with the tech we have it doesn't matter. Who knows we know virtually nothing about futuristic earth in this game it's never really been of interest until it was attacked. So the idea of shepard making it to earth and surviving is just as likely as it all being a dream to me!

yeah the guy died in ME2 mate...nice to see you paid attention

Yeah I know he did...and he got better...

Yeah, with TWO YEARS of Cerberus desperately trying to revive him with both organic and inorganic methods. Shep has had all of less than 5 seconds to do all that on his own. Jacob also said that he was a bunch of mush when they found him.

edit: Ninja'd

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 23 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Oh and for the record in ME2 he falls to the planet you can see it in the opening cut scene so he's done this EXACT scenario before.

lol and people bashing the theory called US deluded, diddums

[ShepardTheHopeful]

When did they take the cybernetics out of him? He's had the nanobots and implants in him for a long time still does it made him more than organic the child even says it. And as for shepard falling to orbit go watch the opening if you don't believe me. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[greywardencommander]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As previously stated, that was mentioned a long time ago, and many times since. Honestly, the ShepAlive ending clip is the most telling point towards something not being right. If things were as the are presented at face value, why even bother having that clip made? 'Could've saved a small chunk of the budget there.

They had that clip because they seriously expected us to believe Shepard could survive he Citadel exploding.

To drive my point home, they seriously thought we would like the RGB endings. That should be quite telling of how correct their assessments have been so far.

There's no secrets, no ulterior plan, no hidden messages, just a company that has fallen so far that they can no longer see their own mistakes.

Why? And if so, why not use it as a way to explain the DLC?

Who says Shepard couldn't survive that did absolutely none of you play 2? The man died and got better! I mean he was blown up burnt left in space with no air for HOURS  and somehow survive it all? So basically you're telling me the man who survived getting blown up and left in space with no air couldn't survive falling with no air? And hey maybe he doesn't burn up maybe the o-zone in the future sucks from global warming but with the tech we have it doesn't matter. Who knows we know virtually nothing about futuristic earth in this game it's never really been of interest until it was attacked. So the idea of shepard making it to earth and surviving is just as likely as it all being a dream to me!

yeah the guy died in ME2 mate...nice to see you paid attention

Yeah I know he did...and he got better...

Yeah, with TWO YEARS of Cerberus desperately trying to revive him with both organic and inorganic methods. Shep has had all of less than 5 seconds to do all that on his own. Jacob also said that he was a bunch of mush when they found him.

exactly what I said

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

When did they take the cybernetics out of him? He's had the nanobots and implants in him for a long time still does it made him more than organic the child even says it. And as for shepard falling to orbit go watch the opening if you don't believe me. 

Chuck a geth from out of space and tell me that even with Cybernetics Shepard would have survived
his organic side - dead, his synthetic side - crushed even with cybernetics he couldn't have just like he didn't in ME2 (and only reason his body wasn't incinerated was because he's wearing a suit, something he's not got in ME3)

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[titusrsoooooo1337]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Oh and for the record in ME2 he falls to the planet you can see it in the opening cut scene so he's done this EXACT scenario before.

1. we dont know if he ever landed on ghe planet. considering TIM was the reason the normandy got attacked, im sure he would have cerberus veciles around...

2. he was wearing his suit. without that suit (like in me3) the vacuum of space would destroy your body

Modifié par titusrsoooooo1337, 23 mars 2012 - 12:46 .

[ShepardTheHopeful]

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

[ShepardTheHopeful]

Arcian wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Oh and for the record in ME2 he falls to the planet you can see it in the opening cut scene so he's done this EXACT scenario before.

He died falling to that planet. As in becoming completely brain-dead. No heartbeat, no brain activity. And that was without 13 billion metric tons of destroyed space station falling over him like in ME3's endings.

What part of the citadel fell on him last I checked most IT theorists made it very clear there is no trace of the citadel near him. 

Also YES! A geth would survive they drop from their ships all the damn time who knows if they could survive from space maybe they even do. I never judged how high they dropped from I just kileld em but they make it very clear that they don't care about falling. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[Either.Ardrey]

greywardencommander wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

As previously stated, that was mentioned a long time ago, and many times since. Honestly, the ShepAlive ending clip is the most telling point towards something not being right. If things were as the are presented at face value, why even bother having that clip made? 'Could've saved a small chunk of the budget there.

They had that clip because they seriously expected us to believe Shepard could survive he Citadel exploding.

To drive my point home, they seriously thought we would like the RGB endings. That should be quite telling of how correct their assessments have been so far.

There's no secrets, no ulterior plan, no hidden messages, just a company that has fallen so far that they can no longer see their own mistakes.

Why? And if so, why not use it as a way to explain the DLC?

Who says Shepard couldn't survive that did absolutely none of you play 2? The man died and got better! I mean he was blown up burnt left in space with no air for HOURS  and somehow survive it all? So basically you're telling me the man who survived getting blown up and left in space with no air couldn't survive falling with no air? And hey maybe he doesn't burn up maybe the o-zone in the future sucks from global warming but with the tech we have it doesn't matter. Who knows we know virtually nothing about futuristic earth in this game it's never really been of interest until it was attacked. So the idea of shepard making it to earth and surviving is just as likely as it all being a dream to me!

yeah the guy died in ME2 mate...nice to see you paid attention

Yeah I know he did...and he got better...

Yeah, with TWO YEARS of Cerberus desperately trying to revive him with both organic and inorganic methods. Shep has had all of less than 5 seconds to do all that on his own. Jacob also said that he was a bunch of mush when they found him.

exactly what I said

Yup. Ninja'd. I type fairly slowly. 

me 

you 

[titusrsoooooo1337]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

I think it's funny that you, along with more than half of BSN, would try this hard to disprove this theory simply because you WANT to be mad at bioware.

When a meteor hits the earth, is it left completely unharmed? No...its completely pulverized. if youre honestly telling me that a human body could fall from that distance at that speed and be left unscathed while a solid rock becomes pulverized, then you need to lay off the Payoti. 

Modifié par titusrsoooooo1337, 23 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[Either.Ardrey]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

If Shepard's implants had that kind of self revival ability, we'd never have a Critical Mission failure. EVER.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

I think it's funny that you, along with more than half of BSN, would try this hard to disprove this theory simply because you WANT to be mad at bioware.

...I'm not mad at bioware in the least. I got the ending yeah it was bad. Really bad but I still loved the game. The ending wasn't great, a few things weren't but I bought and played it loved it til that part and played it again. It's this theory that I just don't believe in. You guys treat it like it's the definite and makes the most sense. I see it a diifferent way so I'm debating it. I'm not judging or trolling anyones opinion. I just truely don't believe that the indoctrination theory is right and I don't want bioware to make a dlc involving it if I can disprove it. What's wrong with that? And I don't see what's so unlikely about what I said at all logically it fits in just as well as the IT theory. And that breath he takes could've easily been a gasp of air from being revived by the machines he takes it in sharp and deep like it's his first breath you can easily interpret it that way. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

Where else could he have fallen that the same would not have happened - crushed, splat, the only thing anywhere near him is the Citadel and that's just gone bye bye.

As for 'he's never been indoctrinated before' we're not saying he does become indoctrinated (if he destroys) it's the final fight of the battle of his mind in the last 10 minutes that if you choose destroy HE WINS. The ongoing having to resist indoctrination given all the exposure in all three games is hardly 'impossible'.

I'm not arguing with the fact that you can theorize every bit as much as we can but I don't recall magic cybernetics enabling someone to fall thousands of miles and survive mentioned in the universe. Or even ones that magically revive you after you're dead. You'd think Shepard being fitted with them might have been hinted at or mentioned...just the once.

I do however recall exposure to reapers and other artifacts that could over time be indoctrinating Shepard that he's been able to resist and fight off until he's at his weakest after the harbinger attack and plenty of nods to the ability to resist it due to his interaction with Shiala & the Thorian (the former resisting because of the latter and her mind meld with Shepard), the Rachni Queen (who resisted it twice) and the fact Saren and Benezia temporarily threw it off means a stronger mind perhaps due to his cybernetics, exposure to the Thorian, his exposure to the prothean beam and sheer determination. Liara says with the prothean beam (reaper technology as well perhaps) - it would have destroyed a lesser mind hinting that maybe just maybe Shepard can beat indoctrination too.

In short whilst a theory it has basis purely on what's happened in the series, magic cybernetics that allow you to survive an explosion obliterating most things and a fall from space to some sort of planet, I don't remember being mentioned.

It is a THEORY we never say it happened the endings may be exactly as they are

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[titusrsoooooo1337]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...
 And I don't see what's so unlikely about what I said at all logically it fits in just as well as the IT theory. And that breath he takes could've easily been a gasp of air from being revived by the machines he takes it in sharp and deep like it's his first breath you can easily interpret it that way. 

[Dein Justin]

Outside of Shepard orbital drop topic, and not sure if this was mentioned but sure parts of it was..

The kid in the intro (playing with the toy) has been confirmed by me while playing my 2nd playthrough, to not be the same kid entering the vent, thus further proving that the slow indoctrination has begun since the intro (probably even from ME2's Object Rho of Arrival DLC). How was it confirmed? I tracked the position of the kid's garden to Shepard's detention room window to the blown-up meeting room. The kid's garden is supposed to be at either Shep's front upon 1st access of the gun or at the right side of Shep (opposite side of the building)...Shep's path with Anderson goes to the left side, but not going left enough to actually navigate around the building. There is no other building within sight distance that has the same roof as the kid's garden apartment.

The kid is a lie.

[Legion109]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...
As previously stated, that was mentioned a long time ago, and many times since. Honestly, the ShepAlive ending clip is the most telling point towards something not being right. If things were as the are presented at face value, why even bother having that clip made? 'Could've saved a small chunk of the budget there.

They had that clip because they seriously expected us to believe Shepard could survive he Citadel exploding.
To drive my point home, they seriously thought we would like the RGB endings. That should be quite telling of how correct their assessments have been so far.
There's no secrets, no ulterior plan, no hidden messages, just a company that has fallen so far that they can no longer see their own mistakes.

Why? And if so, why not use it as a way to explain the DLC?

Who says Shepard couldn't survive that did absolutely none of you play 2? The man died and got better! I mean he was blown up burnt left in space with no air for HOURS  and somehow survive it all? So basically you're telling me the man who survived getting blown up and left in space with no air couldn't survive falling with no air? And hey maybe he doesn't burn up maybe the o-zone in the future sucks from global warming but with the tech we have it doesn't matter. Who knows we know virtually nothing about futuristic earth in this game it's never really been of interest until it was attacked. So the idea of shepard making it to earth and surviving is just as likely as it all being a dream to me!

Shep died in ME2 The only reason Shep "got better" was because the helmet managed to keep his brain from becoming mush upon his entry into that planets atmosphere, you also have to account for the fact it took two years of extensive operations to help Shep "get better" there is no way Shep would have survived entry into Earths atmosphere with little armor and no helmet. Not to mention if he "rode" a piece of the citadel down an object of that size impacting Earth would cause extensive damage hell it may be large enough to be a planet killer.


- We dont hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -


Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination caused by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

I think it's funny that you, along with more than half of BSN, would try this hard to disprove this theory simply because you WANT to be mad at bioware.

...I'm not mad at bioware in the least. I got the ending yeah it was bad. Really bad but I still loved the game. The ending wasn't great, a few things weren't but I bought and played it loved it til that part and played it again. It's this theory that I just don't believe in. You guys treat it like it's the definite and makes the most sense. I see it a diifferent way so I'm debating it. I'm not judging or trolling anyones opinion. I just truely don't believe that the indoctrination theory is right and I don't want bioware to make a dlc involving it if I can disprove it. What's wrong with that? And I don't see what's so unlikely about what I said at all logically it fits in just as well as the IT theory. And that breath he takes could've easily been a gasp of air from being revived by the machines he takes it in sharp and deep like it's his first breath you can easily interpret it that way. 

Nowhere has anyone said it's fact, even the name THEORY should give that away. Nor do we say that they definitely intended it (it started out as an interpretation) however given so many hints Bioware could easily rewrite the ending without having to 'rewrite' the ending and losing face by making it an internal battle of the mind and then carrying on where Shepard wakes up after being hit.
If it wasn't their intention we've given the biggest get out of jail card you can think of rather than going 'here's an epilogue'
I largely focus on what they could do with the ending if they go the IDT route and still take into account your colour choice
http://social.biowar.../index/10350970 

[greywardencommander]

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I truely don't understand why that of all things in the mass effect universe is the impossibility when it happened to him without the nanobots and implants working 24/7 now they are working at peak condition and doing everything in their power to keep shepard alive. Maybe that breath was a breath of coming back and they NEVER tell you just how long Shepard is down there he could've easily fell anywhere that had concrete there's no actual proof he falls in London maybe soldiers can't find him because the majority of the ground forces are already dead. There are many reasons it could work if it's worked before unlike Shepard being indoctrinated which has never happened before but you can theorize it happened before just like I can theorize Shepard could survive the fall. Stranger things happen in Sci-fi

Where else could he have fallen that the same would not have happened - crushed, splat, the only thing anywhere near him is the Citadel and that's just gone bye bye.

As for 'he's never been indoctrinated before' we're not saying he does become indoctrinated (if he destroys) it's the final fight of the battle of his mind in the last 10 minutes that if you choose destroy HE WINS. The ongoing having to resist indoctrination given all the exposure in all three games is hardly 'impossible'.

I'm not arguing with the fact that you can theorize every bit as much as we can but I don't recall magic cybernetics enabling someone to fall thousands of miles and survive mentioned in the universe. Or even ones that magically revive you after you're dead. You'd think Shepard being fitted with them might have been hinted at or mentioned...just the once.

I do however recall exposure to reapers and other artifacts that could over time be indoctrinating Shepard that he's been able to resist and fight off until he's at his weakest after the harbinger attack and plenty of nods to the ability to resist it due to his interaction with Shiala & the Thorian (the former resisting because of the latter and her mind meld with Shepard), the Rachni Queen (who resisted it twice) and the fact Saren and Benezia temporarily threw it off means a stronger mind perhaps due to his cybernetics, exposure to the Thorian, his exposure to the prothean beam and sheer determination. Liara says with the prothean beam (reaper technology as well perhaps) - it would have destroyed a lesser mind hinting that maybe just maybe Shepard can beat indoctrination too.

In short whilst a theory it has basis purely on what's happened in the series, magic cybernetics that allow you to survive an explosion obliterating most things and a fall from space to some sort of planet, I don't remember being mentioned.

It is a THEORY we never say it happened the endings may be exactly as they are

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[Bill Casey]

"The Final Hours" essentially confirms the indoctrination theory. They say they were working on a game mechanic where the reapers took full control of Shepard's movements at the end of the game, but they had to drop it because the mechanic became too difficult to implement...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[njfluffy19]

Bill Casey wrote...

"The Final Hours" essentially confirms the indoctrination theory. They say they were working on a game mechanic where the reapers took full control of Shepard's movements at the end of the game, but they had to drop it because the mechanic became too difficult to implement...

[uh-oh0331]

does anyone else feel like the community saved the Ending/Bioware by coming up with the indoctrination theory.

If the indoctrination theory was correct why hasnt Bioware hinted at it? Is it because they want to make DLC and more money? Good PR?

I watched the videos and the Indoctrination theory makes sense based on the the information presented, but at the same time I wonder if we are looking too far into it and creating something out of nothing.

After watching the videos I felt like "CRAP!!! I picked the wrong ending....I knew I should have just killed the SOB's" I didnt want to wipe out all AI though.

This will be great PR for Bioware especially if they tricked(indoctrinated) nearly the entire ME community. That would be truly legendary. I dont know if there is really any way to prove that this was Bioware's actual initial intention or if they just took the indoctrination theory and ran with it after the fact.