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[ShepardTheHopeful]

I just fixed my comment look up. I didn't ignore it I explained it. Besides I don't mention the books because I don't think they help the case of the Indoctrination theory at all. They don't involve SHepard and we're talking about HIS indoctrination the theories of someone going through indoctrination in redemption it's not Shepard my theory focuses on him not the experiences of others who seemed to change and get indoctrinated in much quicker intervals. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 01:49 .

[Vandalisme]

I too wanted to belive indoctrination theory, but after reading final hours of mass effect 3 app im convinced its not. Although it does give a better insight to the team behind ME3 , im not so fussed about the ending anymore, a bit dissapointing, but the rest of the game sure makes up for it. I uploaded an image from a flowchart where bioware mapped out the plot of ME3;      http://i.imgur.com/3D9ST.jpg    its from a screenshot from the app. And i urge people to buy the app, it was a very good read for a low price! Cant wait for the next bioware game from this team peace

Modifié par Vandalisme, 23 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[VonJedi1]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

I wasn't ignoring you i just wasn't looking at the forum went to go do something else just happened to check back and saw all this it's a lot to read. And his implants are mentioned various times as is just how bad Shepard looked. Not to mention they look at the studies on the raid of Cerberus (or at least you can if you want) and they explain more about Shepard's condition they have a whole cut scene about it. And the specifically mention the synthetic attachments as well. I'm still not convinced the citadel was fully destroyed that explosion was from the crucible not the citadel I admit it took heavy damage but there was never any serious mention of what happened nor do you see the thing actually fully destroyed hell 3 of the arms are left in tact. I'm not saying indoctrination was impossible..in the first game. I just believe his synthetics could be interrupting the process,

they described indoctrination as Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods.

Shepard has billions of credits of experimental nano bites and implants in his head he's died once, been worked over mentally by the Protheans, and even a few times by the Asari with things like the Cipher and Liara trying to make more sense of the visions. Is it so far fetched to believe one of these if not all these factors that push Shepard's brain past that of normal means could resist the indoctrination. It would sure as hell explain better to me why he was never indoctrinated rather than an entire fantasy scenario be created for Shepard when no one else has been effected to that degree I've never seen a description anywhere in mass effect where some giant scene took place in their minds. I've seen shared memories, the screeching, and the assuming control. Those I get but never illusions of that degree.

Dude, they explain in the first game that he has an unusually strong willed mind, evident by the fact that the beacon didn't kill him when he touched it, and in terms of the synthetic implants helping him resist? They do the opposite, why do you think the geth are so easy for the Reapers to control, why do you think TIM implanted himself or why did Saren, because the Reapers told them to, so they are easier to control.

Shepard is touted as an exceptional human, his mental will is stronger but not indestructible, it makes a lot of sense, given the amount of contact with Reaper technology that it would take it's toll.

They also made a very big point on Sanctuary of saying Adrenaline helps speed up the process, also makes sense that this whole last push attempt to indoctrinate Shepard is done, When he's running to the citadel, when he's getting shot at by harbinger. The Protheans and the Asari were trying to enlighten and organise, not control. They were helping his mind, not trying to disassemble it.

I understand you aren't easily convinced, but the evidence you are bring to this thread is weaker than the evidence being given to you to support the Indoctrination Theory.

[WangGozinya]

greywardencommander wrote...

his synthetics are destroyed  you've ignored that all over again
and you've ignored the fact that that descriptions of  indoctrination in the codex and the books and a lot of the other interactions talks about 'ghosts, oily shadows and hallucinations' (sound familiar) heck if this last vision isn't 'a subliminal method' I'm not sure what is. We never get shown 'what happens in the mind' because until the last 10 mins it wasn't needed. Throw in those strange dreams, constant headaches, humming on the normandy, growls (both described in indoctrination) and bingo that's where the indoctrination theory becomes possible.

The destruction of Shep's Synthetics could be part of the indoctrination to keep him from choosing it along with the idea of killing EDI and the Geth.  The indoctrination could be focusing more negative aspects of destruction as a ruse to keep him from choosing it. 

just a thought

I tell you not to eat my pizza because I spit in it.  I never spit in it, but you never eat it either. Unless you realize how stupid it would be of me to spit in my own food...

Stupid metaphor I know,  I'm not greeat at expressing these things.

Modifié par WangGozinya, 23 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[savagejuicebox]

HantaVirus34a wrote...

 I posted this on the feedback page just now; And i like how you guys are doing the ending, and it makes perfect sense. So i think it would be good if i shared this with you.
ME staff.

I've been discussing ME3 ending with multi friends and have come to realize we do not hate the ending we just feel it could be written better. Thus I have been "volunteered" to write this.

In this post I am not going into too much detail of the verbiage or dialogue of these ideas. What I am going to post here is give a general outline of what my friends and I brainstormed would be a better more full-filling ending for the ME universe.

1: We'll go with the indoctrination of commander shepard. My friend brought forth data that really supports these claims, which you can find in your codex.. and I think there is a cool youtube video of this out there...

The story continues all the way through, we don’t change any of the ending. What is changed is the end game. As we know commander shepard was blasted on earth. And is still there during this "dream sequence" aka indoct.
During the dream sequence you play out the entire ending. You choose the choices and everything like that.

The differences in reality are the endings. As it is assumed that your are knocked out and Harbinger has over time tried to convert or indoctrinate shepard.
The Choice options that are laid out are [color=rgb(51, 153, 102)">green, ]red[/color] and blue. (standard paragon, renegade and Saren choice)

• [color=rgb(51, 153, 102)">Green-Reps that you decided and thought that (like Saren) the only hope for saving the universe was to combine the two and achieve peace.
• Blue- ]Red-[/color] *which is the paragon ending* Shows that no matter the cost you will always defeat the reapers and end he cycle.

More information to come on this.

2: War Assets: End sequence, would be base on this. If your going for renegade option (and want to be bad) it would actually to be better to have less War assets to achieve the 100% renegade/ total evil ending. 
If you went GREEN (neutral option) than it would be the same and you want the most assets you can get. Also this will fall in line with the paragon endings as well. [more on this later as to how those war assets play in] 

IN short Evil = Don’t get assets; Neutral/Good = get assets. Think about it.

OH BTW roll beginning END CREDITS here, with the original game ending so you think its over. than proceed to 3.

BTW crucible docking as not happen yet in REAL TIME.

3: So based on what you choose in that dream sequence (indoct) you reawaken to Anderson yelling and saying get up.. etc.. etc.. says we got to get to the citadel. .etc etc. So both you guys and your squad go to up to the citadel (oh btw you still lost a ton of people in the charge).

So you teleport into the citadel and on a new level have to fight your way to the end platform. BUT base on your quests that you did for WAR assets for the Citadel, you either enter a OMG this is a hard to get through level. Or its a simple smash and grab level because your Citadel Assets are holding the line in hope of Commander Shepard saving the day for them. More dialogue here and there, see certain ppl in citadel dead or alive based on what you did.. etc etc... moving on.

• During this time though based on your choices from the indoct sequence you will see certain changes happen to shepard (if any) based on your choice.
• [color=rgb(0, 0, 255)">Blue ]Green[/color] you start glowing green and have the green outline ending effect.
• Red nothing. (you will see why soon) [ppl prob see where I am going with this]

4: So you make it up to the platform area, you bust through see some dead bodies piled up and make your way up to the final stage platform from the earlier ending. And low and behold you see TIM there standing all proud but its not TIM its in fact Harbinger because he has taken over TIM's body to talk to you. More dialogue ensues  etc etc...
Now heres why you keep the endings:

-If you chose GREEN, Anderson pulls you aside and see's the green glow on your skin and is like "dude you alright?" etc etc..

• Shepard's like yah ima good lets kill Harbinger and End this. More dialogue.. Harbinger tells shepard Not so fast! I controller you now like I controlled Saren! Shepard like oh yeah?. More dialogue.. SKIPPING to END
• So Enter War Assets: If War asset count is high you get a option to tell the fleet to kill Harbinger in space. If Fleet asset is low you tell the remaining fleet to protect the Crucible Or something along those lines. So well assume you have high assets (for writing sakes). BAM! Harbinger dies out there! And your like hell yeah we did it. But than Harbinger Takes full control of TIM more dialogue.. Fight scene.

• So Green ending: As you talk to Anderson you start hearing Harbinger's voice, saying its not over and that im in control. You tell Anderson this... more dialogue.. etc. 

[So than base on your War Assets] 

• Higher: You proceed to have conflicts and say I know what I have to do.. Than just like TIM and Saren you blow your brains out to save the day and end the reaper threat. Anderson and your squad mates cry, in disbelief etc etc... Squad mates than activate and kill remaining Reapers.
• Lower: You start arguing that we shouldn’t fire the Crucible and that the reapers are dead. Anderson says why are you more green.. You say its nothing. Squad mates question you. You either lie or tell them truth your indoc by harbinger. Base on choice either you kill Anderson for lying to them and than squad mates kill you and activate Crucible. Or you told truth and your losing control and one of your squad mates’ mercy kill you and Anderson actives ring. 

Than on earth you see all your squad mates crying, laughing, cheering shows your decisions of what you did through out game in cinematic fashion.. Shows an ending GOLD statue of your shepard on the either the citadel or earth. And it pans out and you hear Admiral Hackett telling how great of a hero you are and a legend you became. Roll credits.. Play the end cut scene. 

[Of course there could be more options here to decide how to kill or protect using war assets, like I said earlier ima just giving an outline of these endings.]

Now Blue (which is the hardest one to figure out): SAME THING AS GREEN expect it stops here;  Shepard like oh yeah?. More dialogue.. SKIPPING to END.

• War Assets: (remember this is the renegade option so war assets counts are different) I.E. lower Assets you have better Rene ending.
• Low Assets: You interrupt Harbinger and tell him that I deserve the power that you have and ill control YOU! Anderson is in disbelief. Argue ensues with Anderson and squad mates. You quick time rene option to kill Anderson and say he been holding humanity back! Harbinger is like excellent.. Squad mates try and tell fleet to destroy harbinger in space, but Reapers killed the fleets.
• High Assets: Same thing starting out, Expect the fleet is alive and kills harbinger in space. (you will see where I am going with this).

• [color=rgb(0, 0, 255)">Blue Ending: ]AKA YOU DECIDED HOW TO SHAPE THE GALAXY FROM HERE ON OUT.[/color]
  
  [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">RED ENDING: (PARAGON) ]GREEN[/color] happens 'More dialogue.. Harbinger tells shepard Not so fast, I controller you now like I controlled Saren! Shepard like oh yeah?. More dialogue.. SKIPPING to END'
  SAME AS GREEN:
  So Enter War Assets:[list]
• If War asset count is high you get a option to tell the fleet to kill Harbinger in space.
• If Fleet asset is low you tell the remaining fleet to protect the Crucible.

• So well assume you have high assets (for writing sakes). Harbinger dies in space. And your like hell yeah we did it. But than Harbinger Takes full control of TIM more dialogue.. Fight scene.

• Final RED: So after your fight scene you like Anderson we did it! Squad mates happy…You hear Hacket call in and say start activation of the Crucible. You walk up and than given a choice to either kill reapers and all AI life...  OR just kill the reapers and secure peace for now... More dialogue..

• Fast forward to Earth: Normady lands, you walk out with your squad mates everyone cheers, see your decisions of the races cheering or not there for you! Say a cool speech to the crowd. Roll black. 

• 1 YEAR (earth year) later. Open back to beach scene or maybe on your house that you won from ME1. Shep is with your LI next to you. And ALL squad mates around fire place having a good time talking, drinking and remembering good times. Show kids maybe?? enter the sappy stuff dialogue ending such as walking around and talking to your squad mates to see where their at now, interactive things (like with Garrus on citadel shooting bottles). 

• Leave with pan out and hear Shepard say "Ima thinking about retiring... than again maybe not."

Ok I know its a lot of TEXT I know, I know; But if you take the time to read it. I think you can understand how this indoc theory for BW could work. It always does not crap on the original endings at all. It helps makes sense of it and adds more choices and closure of what you did in ME franchise.

Overall this is grand idea that my friends and I had when we would play multi or be drinking and thinking about it. Also allows bioware to achieve a "way out" option to help their game.

Ima not going to put a TL;DR in this for I took the time to write this, you should take the time if your in this forum to READ IT. like 7 mins.

Needs a little work but yeah, i can dig it. Well done.

[greywardencommander]

WangGozinya wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

his synthetics are destroyed  you've ignored that all over again
and you've ignored the fact that that descriptions of  indoctrination in the codex and the books and a lot of the other interactions talks about 'ghosts, oily shadows and hallucinations' (sound familiar) heck if this last vision isn't 'a subliminal method' I'm not sure what is. We never get shown 'what happens in the mind' because until the last 10 mins it wasn't needed. Throw in those strange dreams, constant headaches, humming on the normandy, growls (both described in indoctrination) and bingo that's where the indoctrination theory becomes possible.

The destruction of Shep's Synthetics could be part of the indoctrination to keep him from choosing it along with the idea of killing EDI and the Geth.  The indoctrination could be focusing more negative aspects of destruction as a ruse to keep him from choosing it. 

just a thought

I tell you not to eat my pizza because I spit in it.  I never spit in it, but you never eat it either...

True if the events happening but that can still hold with the IT if it happened in his mind and him waking up having not happened. If they happened in real time he still has his 'magic synthetics' that ShepardTheHopeful went on about but I still don't buy he survived that explosion at all let alone any apparent fall to space that would follow

as for your other post about the app it says it was scrapped due to gameplay mechanics, not the idea itself so until otherwise keep the faith and hold the line

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[ShepardTheHopeful]

But his syntehtics aren't alive. The child specifically said all Synethetic life! That's the Geth, Edi, those types not the machines keeping Shepard going they'd be unaffected. As would Biotics with implants etc. They weren't saying all TECH would be dead just all synthetic AI. And Shepards implants aren't like Saren or Illusive man he used organic tech they used reaper tech HUGE difference. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[XXIceColdXX]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Gamefaqs have a poll going on the main page as to whether Mass Effect should get an altered ending if anyone wants to vote.

[ZerebusPrime]

I reiterate that the indoctrination theory strikes me as pure genius. If it's not what BioWare intended, it should have been. And if that's not the direction BioWare is taking moving forward, it ought to be.

Saren's solution = Synthesis. Illusive Man's solution = Control. Both choices are made to seem appealing by the Reapers' influence. Shepard's quest since day one = Destroy.

Liara: "Shepard! Shepard! Wake up!"
Shepard: "Unnngh..."
Liara: "He's badly wounded. Get the medical kit."
Shepard (with a dumb, barely conscious grin): "Ssssspaaaaace.... Maaaagic....... Yaaaaaaaay..."
Liara: "What's wrong with him?"
Wrex: "Eh. He's hallucinating. Just smack him around a few times til he wakes up."

[Cucobr]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Gamefaqs have a poll going on the main page as to whether Mass Effect should get an altered ending if anyone wants to vote.

voted

[greywardencommander]

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

But his syntehtics aren't alive. The child specifically said all Synethetic life! That's the Geth, Edi, those types not the machines keeping Shepard going they'd be unaffected. As would Biotics with implants etc. They weren't saying all TECH would be dead just all synthetic AI. And Shepards implants aren't like Saren or Illusive man he used organic tech they used reaper tech HUGE difference. 

then in that case how come destroying the reapers (and presumably their technology seing as the Mass Relays are destroyed) but doesn't destroy him? Not such a big difference even if you went that route rather than the

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[WangGozinya]

greywardencommander wrote...

WangGozinya wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

his synthetics are destroyed  you've ignored that all over again
and you've ignored the fact that that descriptions of  indoctrination in the codex and the books and a lot of the other interactions talks about 'ghosts, oily shadows and hallucinations' (sound familiar) heck if this last vision isn't 'a subliminal method' I'm not sure what is. We never get shown 'what happens in the mind' because until the last 10 mins it wasn't needed. Throw in those strange dreams, constant headaches, humming on the normandy, growls (both described in indoctrination) and bingo that's where the indoctrination theory becomes possible.

The destruction of Shep's Synthetics could be part of the indoctrination to keep him from choosing it along with the idea of killing EDI and the Geth.  The indoctrination could be focusing more negative aspects of destruction as a ruse to keep him from choosing it. 

just a thought

I tell you not to eat my pizza because I spit in it.  I never spit in it, but you never eat it either...

True if the events happening but that can still hold with the IT if it happened in his mind and him waking up having not happened. If they happened in real time he still has his 'magic synthetics' that ShepardTheHopeful went on about but I still don't buy he survived either that explosion at all let alone any apparent fall to space.

as for your other post about the app it says it was scrapped due to gameplay mechanics, not the idea itself so until otherwise keep the faith and hold the line

Agreed

[greywardencommander]

WangGozinya wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

WangGozinya wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

his synthetics are destroyed  you've ignored that all over again
and you've ignored the fact that that descriptions of  indoctrination in the codex and the books and a lot of the other interactions talks about 'ghosts, oily shadows and hallucinations' (sound familiar) heck if this last vision isn't 'a subliminal method' I'm not sure what is. We never get shown 'what happens in the mind' because until the last 10 mins it wasn't needed. Throw in those strange dreams, constant headaches, humming on the normandy, growls (both described in indoctrination) and bingo that's where the indoctrination theory becomes possible.

The destruction of Shep's Synthetics could be part of the indoctrination to keep him from choosing it along with the idea of killing EDI and the Geth.  The indoctrination could be focusing more negative aspects of destruction as a ruse to keep him from choosing it. 

just a thought

I tell you not to eat my pizza because I spit in it.  I never spit in it, but you never eat it either...

True if the events happening but that can still hold with the IT if it happened in his mind and him waking up having not happened. If they happened in real time he still has his 'magic synthetics' that ShepardTheHopeful went on about but I still don't buy he survived either that explosion at all let alone any apparent fall to space.

as for your other post about the app it says it was scrapped due to gameplay mechanics, not the idea itself so until otherwise keep the faith and hold the line

Agreed

ONE OF US ONE OF US

[SwiftSlash]

I've played since Mass Effect 1 and have put (between the 3) about 15 entire game plays in.
I believe this theory 100%
I'm the kind of person who hates to go all in, but there is just way too much proof.

At first, I bought the ending. Ranging myself in the range of content/satisfied. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. after hours and hours of discussion with my friends that are in the same situation as me, we realized this more than likely wasn't the ending. However, we didn't know what was, or why. All we knew was a company that is this intricate about EVERYTHING wouldn't finish their trilogy like this.

Upon reading this post, the doubt disappeared. It was on purpose. But how would they continue. Would it D.L.C. When? They wouldn't charge, right? They wouldn't wait to develop a whole new game would they?

I am excited to see how they finish, but I do agree: they way underestimated the backlash.

Think about the power of making this free. Everyone would accept that, but think of how much MORE revenue they would make. You charge for DLC, and the most bitter people won't download it. You make it free, and the controversy & "corrected ending" would certainly sell at least a few more brand new copies. But the kicker: Online Pass. People who will/have bought it used will want/need this ending. And it's free, as soon as you buy a pass. Brilliant, but risky.

I know any way they release it, be it free D.L.C., paid D.L.C., or new game, I will own it. BioWare is one of the greatest developers of all. They will not disappoint.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

greywardencommander wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

But his syntehtics aren't alive. The child specifically said all Synethetic life! That's the Geth, Edi, those types not the machines keeping Shepard going they'd be unaffected. As would Biotics with implants etc. They weren't saying all TECH would be dead just all synthetic AI. And Shepards implants aren't like Saren or Illusive man he used organic tech they used reaper tech HUGE difference. 

then how come destroying the reapers (and their technology such as the Mass Relays) but doesn't destroy him? Not such a big difference

The signal focuses on the tech of the reapers and their source Shepard has no relation to the reapers he evolved in a different more "Chaotic" way he became what the reapers feared most he was a chaotic variable in their equation. I don't know what destroying all synthetic life has to do with destroying Shepard he's not synthetic nor organic he's a different being entirely that's what the child was saying when he explained synthesis. And I don't see the reapers being the lying sort they seemed pretty honest and direct if not confusing and vague. Granted they mention that even he is part synthetic but they never say it'll kill him outright. Who knows maybe the elimination of synthetics in Shepard by this incredible force was enough to revive him. They never actually explain what the crucible really does or how these random colored lights work. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 23 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[Vandalisme]

http://i.imgur.com/3D9ST.jpg (bump)

[greywardencommander]

SwiftSlash wrote...

I've played since Mass Effect 1 and have put (between the 3) about 15 entire game plays in.
I believe this theory 100%
I'm the kind of person who hates to go all in, but there is just way too much proof.

At first, I bought the ending. Ranging myself in the range of content/satisfied. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. after hours and hours of discussion with my friends that are in the same situation as me, we realized this more than likely wasn't the ending. However, we didn't know what was, or why. All we knew was a company that is this intricate about EVERYTHING wouldn't finish their trilogy like this.

Upon reading this post, the doubt disappeared. It was on purpose. But how would they continue. Would it D.L.C. When? They wouldn't charge, right? They wouldn't wait to develop a whole new game would they?

I am excited to see how they finish, but I do agree: they way underestimated the backlash.

Think about the power of making this free. Everyone would accept that, but think of how much MORE revenue they would make. You charge for DLC, and the most bitter people won't download it. You make it free, and the controversy & "corrected ending" would certainly sell at least a few more brand new copies. But the kicker: Online Pass. People who will/have bought it used will want/need this ending. And it's free, as soon as you buy a pass. Brilliant, but risky.

I know any way they release it, be it free D.L.C., paid D.L.C., or new game, I will own it. BioWare is one of the greatest developers of all. They will not disappoint.

they could end it like I suggest in the link? Make all three decisions matter at the end colour wise and give us all the wide variety of endings (even genuinely choosing control and synthesis) we wanted

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10350970/1#10483112

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[WangGozinya]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I reiterate that the indoctrination theory strikes me as pure genius. If it's not what BioWare intended, it should have been. And if that's not the direction BioWare is taking moving forward, it ought to be.

Saren's solution = Synthesis. Illusive Man's solution = Control. Both choices are made to seem appealing by the Reapers' influence. Shepard's quest since day one = Destroy.

Liara: "Shepard! Shepard! Wake up!"
Shepard: "Unnngh..."
Liara: "He's badly wounded. Get the medical kit."
Shepard (with a dumb, barely conscious grin): "Ssssspaaaaace.... Maaaagic....... Yaaaaaaaay..."
Liara: "What's wrong with him?"
Wrex: "Eh. He's hallucinating. Just smack him around a few times til he wakes up."

This would be the best beginning to the new ending.

[Cucobr]

SwiftSlash wrote...

I've played since Mass Effect 1 and have put (between the 3) about 15 entire game plays in.
I believe this theory 100%
I'm the kind of person who hates to go all in, but there is just way too much proof.

At first, I bought the ending. Ranging myself in the range of content/satisfied. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. after hours and hours of discussion with my friends that are in the same situation as me, we realized this more than likely wasn't the ending. However, we didn't know what was, or why. All we knew was a company that is this intricate about EVERYTHING wouldn't finish their trilogy like this.

Upon reading this post, the doubt disappeared. It was on purpose. But how would they continue. Would it D.L.C. When? They wouldn't charge, right? They wouldn't wait to develop a whole new game would they?

I am excited to see how they finish, but I do agree: they way underestimated the backlash.

Think about the power of making this free. Everyone would accept that, but think of how much MORE revenue they would make. You charge for DLC, and the most bitter people won't download it. You make it free, and the controversy & "corrected ending" would certainly sell at least a few more brand new copies. But the kicker: Online Pass. People who will/have bought it used will want/need this ending. And it's free, as soon as you buy a pass. Brilliant, but risky.

I know any way they release it, be it free D.L.C., paid D.L.C., or new game, I will own it. BioWare is one of the greatest developers of all. They will not disappoint.

Then put our signature sir! Welcome a board!

[Novouto]

Cucobr wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Gamefaqs have a poll going on the main page as to whether Mass Effect should get an altered ending if anyone wants to vote.

voted

Voted as well

[Denvian]

SwiftSlash wrote...

I've played since Mass Effect 1 and have put (between the 3) about 15 entire game plays in.
I believe this theory 100%
I'm the kind of person who hates to go all in, but there is just way too much proof.

At first, I bought the ending. Ranging myself in the range of content/satisfied. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. after hours and hours of discussion with my friends that are in the same situation as me, we realized this more than likely wasn't the ending. However, we didn't know what was, or why. All we knew was a company that is this intricate about EVERYTHING wouldn't finish their trilogy like this.

Upon reading this post, the doubt disappeared. It was on purpose. But how would they continue. Would it D.L.C. When? They wouldn't charge, right? They wouldn't wait to develop a whole new game would they?

I am excited to see how they finish, but I do agree: they way underestimated the backlash.

Think about the power of making this free. Everyone would accept that, but think of how much MORE revenue they would make. You charge for DLC, and the most bitter people won't download it. You make it free, and the controversy & "corrected ending" would certainly sell at least a few more brand new copies. But the kicker: Online Pass. People who will/have bought it used will want/need this ending. And it's free, as soon as you buy a pass. Brilliant, but risky.

I know any way they release it, be it free D.L.C., paid D.L.C., or new game, I will own it. BioWare is one of the greatest developers of all. They will not disappoint.

I was certainlty one of those people who got to the end saw all the little things wrong with it and finally just swallowed it because I really wanted to like it because I loved Mass Effect so much.  Of course after reading about the evidence of IT I was like, "yeah I did notice that and that did bug me"... and, "I just wrote that off as bioware rushing the ending".  

Of course when all was said and done...  even if they did not make a extenstion to the ending I still like the ending more now that I look at it from a IT angle. 

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

SwiftSlash wrote...

I've played since Mass Effect 1 and have put (between the 3) about 15 entire game plays in.
I believe this theory 100%
I'm the kind of person who hates to go all in, but there is just way too much proof.

At first, I bought the ending. Ranging myself in the range of content/satisfied. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. after hours and hours of discussion with my friends that are in the same situation as me, we realized this more than likely wasn't the ending. However, we didn't know what was, or why. All we knew was a company that is this intricate about EVERYTHING wouldn't finish their trilogy like this.

Upon reading this post, the doubt disappeared. It was on purpose. But how would they continue. Would it D.L.C. When? They wouldn't charge, right? They wouldn't wait to develop a whole new game would they?

I am excited to see how they finish, but I do agree: they way underestimated the backlash.

Think about the power of making this free. Everyone would accept that, but think of how much MORE revenue they would make. You charge for DLC, and the most bitter people won't download it. You make it free, and the controversy & "corrected ending" would certainly sell at least a few more brand new copies. But the kicker: Online Pass. People who will/have bought it used will want/need this ending. And it's free, as soon as you buy a pass. Brilliant, but risky.

I know any way they release it, be it free D.L.C., paid D.L.C., or new game, I will own it. BioWare is one of the greatest developers of all. They will not disappoint.

I was certainlty one of those people who got to the end saw all the little things wrong with it and finally just swallowed it because I really wanted to like it because I loved Mass Effect so much.  Of course after reading about the evidence of IT I was like, "yeah I did notice that and that did bug me"... and, "I just wrote that off as bioware rushing the ending".  

Of course when all was said and done...  even if they did not make a extenstion to the ending I still like the ending more now that I look at it from a IT angle. 

I was the same and I was like mmm yeah I guess but I didn't see that coming at all. Then I started to reflect and think about it and a lot of what I thought led me to believe it wasn't the 'definitive ending' that it was still to come, whether it be in DLC or a future game or whatever. I started to think maybe they did an 'Alan Wake' or Fight Club on us that it was all inside Shepard's head for that 10 mins of distorted reality that just didn't fit with the rest of the game.

I then thought it might just be my over-analytical conditioning (I am a psychologist, an MA student as I said earlier) but then I saw this theory and so much tallied up I adopted it as my canon.

If they come out and say the endings are as they are explain it then I'm happy to concede I overthought it and maybe gave my favourite developer too much credit.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[IronSabbath88]

Lots of haters of this theory... what else do they want BioWare to do? Completley retcon everything that happened? That to me would be even WORSE than what they're saying about this "theory."

[aslivewire]

Dein Justin wrote...

it would be ironic though...if somehow Shepard was spaced again from the Citadel explosion...put in stasis mode (like how it was in ME:Redemption) and somehow revived in the midst of rubbles (somewhere along the century war against the Reapers)...kinda like how Javik gasped upon waking up after 50,000 years of stasis.

That wouldn't be ironic that would be further bad writing.

There comes a point where repeating a plot ceases being a parallel and starts being lazy writing...

[oh god i'm saying that sentence about mass effect not glee i think i'm going to cry blood tears now]

[SwiftSlash]

greywardencommander wrote...

Denvian wrote...

SwiftSlash wrote...

I've played since Mass Effect 1 and have put (between the 3) about 15 entire game plays in.
I believe this theory 100%
I'm the kind of person who hates to go all in, but there is just way too much proof.

At first, I bought the ending. Ranging myself in the range of content/satisfied. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. after hours and hours of discussion with my friends that are in the same situation as me, we realized this more than likely wasn't the ending. However, we didn't know what was, or why. All we knew was a company that is this intricate about EVERYTHING wouldn't finish their trilogy like this.

Upon reading this post, the doubt disappeared. It was on purpose. But how would they continue. Would it D.L.C. When? They wouldn't charge, right? They wouldn't wait to develop a whole new game would they?

I am excited to see how they finish, but I do agree: they way underestimated the backlash.

Think about the power of making this free. Everyone would accept that, but think of how much MORE revenue they would make. You charge for DLC, and the most bitter people won't download it. You make it free, and the controversy & "corrected ending" would certainly sell at least a few more brand new copies. But the kicker: Online Pass. People who will/have bought it used will want/need this ending. And it's free, as soon as you buy a pass. Brilliant, but risky.

I know any way they release it, be it free D.L.C., paid D.L.C., or new game, I will own it. BioWare is one of the greatest developers of all. They will not disappoint.

I was certainlty one of those people who got to the end saw all the little things wrong with it and finally just swallowed it because I really wanted to like it because I loved Mass Effect so much.  Of course after reading about the evidence of IT I was like, "yeah I did notice that and that did bug me"... and, "I just wrote that off as bioware rushing the ending".  

Of course when all was said and done...  even if they did not make a extenstion to the ending I still like the ending more now that I look at it from a IT angle. 

I was the same and I was like mmm yeah I guess but I didn't see that coming at all. Then I started to reflect and think about it and a lot of what I thought led me to believe it wasn't the 'definitive ending' that it was still to come, whether it be in DLC or a future game or whatever. I started to think maybe they did an 'Alan Wake' or Fight Club on us that it was all inside Shepard's head for that 10 mins of distorted reality that just didn't fit with the rest of the game.

I then thought it might just be my over-analytical conditioning (I am a psychologist, an MA student as I said earlier) but then I saw this theory and so much tallied up I adopted it as my canon.

If they come out and say the endings are as they are explain it then I'm happy to concede I overthought it and maybe gave my favourite developer too much credit.

You know, I've said that since the first conversation my friends and I had. Even IF we are looking to deeply into it, I still appriciate the game, and would be satisfied with the ending.