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[lex0r11]

beank wrote...

So this is my opinion.... (My Shepard
is a guy, so i use he instead of she.... sorry if this offends...)

Sorry that i just respond to the beginning of your post and that i'm totally offtopic, but should that really be an issue? I've been here from time to time before the whole ending thing, but do people really take offense in that there is not a canon Shepard with their 'preferred' fixed gender and people call he/she?

Kind of jumped me in the face, sorry. Just wondering.

[Denvian]

lex0r11 wrote...

beank wrote...

So this is my opinion.... (My Shepard
is a guy, so i use he instead of she.... sorry if this offends...)

Sorry that i just respond to the beginning of your post and that i'm totally offtopic, but should that really be an issue? I've been here from time to time before the whole ending thing, but do people really take offense in that there is not a canon Shepard with their 'preferred' fixed gender and people call he/she?

Kind of jumped me in the face, sorry. Just wondering.

I was totally offended


Really I was... no joke


Naaaah im kidding

[RADIUMEYEZ]

lex0r11 wrote...

beank wrote...

So this is my opinion.... (My Shepard
is a guy, so i use he instead of she.... sorry if this offends...)

Sorry that i just respond to the beginning of your post and that i'm totally offtopic, but should that really be an issue? I've been here from time to time before the whole ending thing, but do people really take offense in that there is not a canon Shepard with their 'preferred' fixed gender and people call he/she?

Kind of jumped me in the face, sorry. Just wondering.

You'd think not but people get offended by weird stuff. I play a male Shepard myself and when I see someone write only she I just replace it with he in my head. I don't really see why it would be a big deal for someone though seems kind of silly for people to get mad about it.

Modifié par RADIUMEYEZ, 23 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[beank]

lex0r11 wrote...
....but do people really take offense....

i didnt know if anyone would.... i can take it out if its a problem....

[MalexT]

Rhyth wrote...

http://i214.photobuc...ux/0688283a.jpg

Thank you for that, I knew I'd seen it before but couldn't place it - it was really bugging me!

[Eld019]

Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread yet or not, but I've been replaying the first one again. Does anyone else remember that Saren's last thoughts before killing himself were that the implants that Sovereign influenced him to get, the ones that were to "strengthen his resolve", made him believe that the melding of organic and synthetic was without weakness? Sounds kinda like the "synthesis" ending to me...

[lex0r11]

beank wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...
....but do people really take offense....

i didnt know if anyone would.... i can take it out if its a problem....

No, don't take it out.
I just thought maybe i missed a whole Broshep against Femshep infight that was going on in the past and i wasn't aware of it. ^^'

Modifié par lex0r11, 23 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Torrible]

One of the signs of being indoctrinated is the willingness to kill friends and allies. Renegade Shepard kills Mordin, Samara's daughter, Ashley/Kaidan and Legion. Another straw to grasp at.

[greywardencommander]

Eld019 wrote...

Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread yet or not, but I've been replaying the first one again. Does anyone else remember that Saren's last thoughts before killing himself were that the implants that Sovereign influenced him to get, the ones that were to "strengthen his resolve", made him believe that the melding of organic and synthetic was without weakness? Sounds kinda like the "synthesis" ending to me...

another reason we think destroy is the -good ending and that Control = Illusive Man, Synthesis = Saren & Destroy = Shepard/Anderson

[Kyzee]

Greywarden Commander quote:

"I allow for that by saying the AI (or catalyst) regarding the Reapers and the crucible exist and do more or less what is presented but Harbinger distorts what they actually do in the dream (if you see other posts the whole final 10 minutes is formed from representations of Shepards mind e.g. collectors base, the run to the conduit, the shadow broker's lair, the Human ship stamps where the crucible is, the last bit with the starchild and the crucible is Harbinger's distortion but based on fact, he knows about it he just didn't know the cycle knew about it until TIM told him)

If you read my signature thread I elaborate on how it could work in the 'real crucible/catalyst setting' in the DLC

but to put it simply, the AI (because that's all it is) regarding the Catalyst may well exist and the crucible's functions Control Synthesis Destroy may well exist, but it is distorted by Harbinger so when we wake up and go to the Citadel to meet the Catalyst we find an AI left over from the reaper creators telling us we're the catalyst and have these options.

You're presented with destroy the Reapers only because the AI can assess that you are telling the truth regarding the geth-quarians. If you read my thread I also say about how to account for the control and synthesis people and how all these things can combine to give a variety of different outcomes based on your own final choice, your choice of colour in the current end previous decisions i.e. with the geth vs quarians.

In my opinion Shepard IS the catalyst both of the crucible but also of organic-synthetic peace. It also leaves the 'where did the reapers come from' as a mystery still, are they the original species threatened and imulgumated into synthetic machines or were they created as weapons to 'save' the organics and THEN they were the synthetics who rose and they're just distorted that thinking into 'saving organics'

Obviously this is just an idea but it's a thought re. the Harbinger plants it in your mind line."
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Read your thread. Interesting outcomes! Can't wait to see what Bioware has in store. 

Modifié par Kyzee, 23 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[greywardencommander]

Torrible wrote...

One of the signs of being indoctrinated is the willingness to kill friends and allies. Renegade Shepard kills Mordin, Samara's daughter, Ashley/Kaidan and Legion. Another straw to grasp at.

true, another thing to suggest that ME3 is him battling indoctrination after the events of arrival (as the only time he killed an ally in the other two was out of pure necessity i.e. Wrex if you can't convince him and he attacks though if you're good and can't Ashley does so that wouldn't necessarily be canon and letting one of Kaidan/Ashley die)

[Rob Psyence]

Torrible wrote...

One of the signs of being indoctrinated is the willingness to kill friends and allies. Renegade Shepard kills Mordin, Samara's daughter, Ashley/Kaidan and Legion. Another straw to grasp at.

 
Letting Samara off herself would also apply lol

[tomhagen27]

Rhyth wrote...

http://i214.photobuc...ux/0688283a.jpg

holy crap:o

[greywardencommander]

Kyzee wrote...


Greywarden Commander quote:

"I allow for that by saying the AI (or catalyst) regarding the Reapers and the crucible exist and do more or less what is presented but Harbinger distorts what they actually do in the dream (if you see other posts the whole final 10 minutes is formed from representations of Shepards mind e.g. collectors base, the run to the conduit, the shadow broker's lair, the Human ship stamps where the crucible is, the last bit with the starchild and the crucible is Harbinger's distortion but based on fact, he knows about it he just didn't know the cycle knew about it until TIM told him)

If you read my signature thread I elaborate on how it could work in the 'real crucible/catalyst setting' in the DLC

but to put it simply, the AI (because that's all it is) regarding the Catalyst may well exist and the crucible's functions Control Synthesis Destroy may well exist, but it is distorted by Harbinger so when we wake up and go to the Citadel to meet the Catalyst we find an AI left over from the reaper creators telling us we're the catalyst and have these options.

You're presented with destroy the Reapers only because the AI can assess that you are telling the truth regarding the geth-quarians. If you read my thread I also say about how to account for the control and synthesis people and how all these things can combine to give a variety of different outcomes based on your own final choice, your choice of colour in the current end previous decisions i.e. with the geth vs quarians.

In my opinion Shepard IS the catalyst both of the crucible but also of organic-synthetic peace. It also leaves the 'where did the reapers come from' as a mystery still, are they the original species threatened and imulgumated into synthetic machines or were they created as weapons to 'save' the organics and THEN they were the synthetics who rose and they're just distorted that thinking into 'saving organics'

Obviously this is just an idea but it's a thought re. the Harbinger plants it in your mind line."
------------------

Read your thread. Interesting outcomes! Can't wait to see what Bioware has in store. 

thanks so many people were focusing on whether it was true (with plenty dismissing it because it canoned destroy) that I tried to think about how it might work if a) it was their intention or just they went with it now to appease

[Rhyth]

I would be very appreciated if someone posted this picture with [img] marks.
http://i214.photobuc...ux/0688283a.jpg

I'm new to the forums and not allowed to post pictures.

Modifié par Rhyth, 23 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[lex0r11]

Funny, as soon as i quote your post, it doesn't show up.

Modifié par lex0r11, 23 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[Torrible]

greywardencommander wrote...

Torrible wrote...

One of the signs of being indoctrinated is the willingness to kill friends and allies. Renegade Shepard kills Mordin, Samara's daughter, Ashley/Kaidan and Legion. Another straw to grasp at.

true, another thing to suggest that ME3 is him battling indoctrination after the events of arrival (as the only time he killed an ally in the other two was out of pure necessity i.e. Wrex if you can't convince him and he attacks though if you're good and can't Ashley does so that wouldn't necessarily be canon and letting one of Kaidan/Ashley die)

One of your squadmates kills Ashley at the Citadel too if you don't do the interrupt. Killing Mordin was really cold blooded though. Could have shot him in the legs or something.

[Martukis]

I am unsure if it is related, but if you ask Hackett "Why me?" He explains that Shepard seems to be an almost hypnotic leader, uniting people and within weeks inspiring and convincing them to follow him/her into hell (or a Collector base near the accretion disk). TIM also exhibits this a bit at the Citidel (or perhaps in the dream) and I think with Kai Leng to some extent. It is discussed that reapers have a sort of signal-based command system, and that TIM was looking into manipulating this to turn reaper ground forces against each other. I wonder if the slower, more preserving indoctrination discussed in the codec - the one that enables much more cognitive ability - might also enable a certain amount of command ability.

[aslivewire]

The more I read, the more I'm wondering whether objector's problem with IT isn't so much that it couldn't be true, but more that it happened in a literal SPACE and TIME already in the game, and so no further elaboration is necessary. After all- have we seen anyone REALLY argue that the Control option isn't indoctrination in the most basic sense?

People have issues with whether Synthesis is 'beautiful' or 'horrific', but Destroy and Control seem straight forward whether you go for IT or not. The argument, then, isn't whether it's an indoctrination attempt, but where the indoctrination occurs- on a literal citadel/catalyst, or in a metaphorical/dream one. Those that argue it's literal don't want an additional continuation of the story, BECAUSE for them they've had exactly what the IT supporters are craving- a confrontation on a literal battlefield.

/thoughts, i have them

[Rhyth]

lex0r11 wrote...






Funny, as soon as i quote your post, it doesn't show up.

Thanks

[Mixon]

lex0r11 wrote...






Funny, as soon as i quote your post, it doesn't show up.

Still, I believe in Hallucinations!!!

[Denvian]

Here is a question... We have heard quite a bit about people being upset about the ending and wanting it changed... but do any of these people believe IT and and still hate the ending?

For the most part the only people who are in the "take back the ending" camp seem to be people who do not think IT is what is going on but I could be wrong

Modifié par Denvian, 23 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[FLYING GRENADE11]

tomhagen27 wrote...

Rhyth wrote...

http://i214.photobuc...ux/0688283a.jpg

holy crap:o

DUUUUUUUUUUde mind ****

[ZerebusPrime]

Denvian wrote...

Here is a question... We have heard quite a bit about people being upset about the ending and wanting it changed... but do any of these people believe IT and and still hate the ending?

As it is, it's a nonsensical non-ending with or without IT.

[lex0r11]

Denvian wrote...

Here is a question... We have heard quite a bit about people being upset about the ending and wanting it changed... but do any of these people believe IT and and still hate the ending?

I want a new endgame, ideally after the current one and a real epilogue. IT provides a good way to implement a new ending.

Hope i didn't misunderstand that question.

Modifié par lex0r11, 23 mars 2012 - 04:38 .