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[RoyalGambit]

Xenite wrote...

sgreco1970 wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I certainly hope it was a hallucination...

Otherwise I just basically played "3 Card Monte" with a dream kid who glows in the dark and lost 200 hours of my life...

it was. You only fought the reapers in your mind, fighting to control yourself, to survive their final attack against you personally. If you chose to destroy the reapers, yo broke their control and woke up in the rubble of london.

the final battle is yet to come.

Yup, that is why he stands up straight and appears normal again as he destroys it. It's showing Shep breaking free from the indoctrination.

To be fair though, he does start running when you choose synthesis. 

[greywardencommander]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Xenite wrote...

sgreco1970 wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I certainly hope it was a hallucination...

Otherwise I just basically played "3 Card Monte" with a dream kid who glows in the dark and lost 200 hours of my life...

it was. You only fought the reapers in your mind, fighting to control yourself, to survive their final attack against you personally. If you chose to destroy the reapers, yo broke their control and woke up in the rubble of london.

the final battle is yet to come.

Yup, that is why he stands up straight and appears normal again as he destroys it. It's showing Shep breaking free from the indoctrination.

To be fair though, he does start running when you choose synthesis. 

yep when he's been clearly incredibly badly injured to the point he's walking incredibly slowly and then can just run? It's his mind succumbing to it willingly

[RoyalGambit]

That's how I view it as well. There's actually a part in Mass Effect Retribution that supports this train of thought. Where Grayson finds it easy to move towards the reapers goals, but tiring to move away..

[Erethrian]

I'm not sure if this was already posted here, so: http://www.ign.com/b...ion-theory-2-0/

Modifié par Erethrian, 23 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[Gernbuster]

Erethrian wrote...

Tiny5th wrote...

Several comments about sheps implants have got me thinking. I doubt it could be reaper tech as that disproved our theory that the vi doesn't detect the indoctrination in shep like it does is Kai or TIM. As I assume it is linked to implants as vigil on ilos mentions detecting Saren's implants.

If they were actually an attempt by TIM to make you resistant to indoctrination however, as someone mentioned earlier, and renegade options are sort if giving into this urge (saw this mentioned earlier too, though I admit some renegade options do seem like they play into reapers hands, like letting the council die.)

Could it be that your prolonged renegade actions causing your implants to 'reject' and burn through your skin is the very tech itself trying to warn you?

When I saw what a full renegade shep looked like it unsettled me.. it draws too many parallels with how the corruption of the dark side looked in KotOR

It could be seen that way and it's also a possibility

Yep. I mentioned it and I believe that. Especially if u read the 3rd book. As long as Paul Greyson isn t listening to the Reapers voice, the implants are not, or at least very slowly evolving. (Greyson got muuuuuch stronger implants) But then he is losing the fight against the Reapertech and is body turns more and more tech.

[Denvian]

I have heard that some people's renegade scars game back after they were hit by the beam, even when they were playing a paragon player. Did that happen to a lot of people? and if so do you think it was a bug or intended?

[Erethrian]

Denvian wrote...

I have heard that some people's renegade scars game back after they were hit by the beam, even when they were playing a paragon player. Did that happen to a lot of people? and if so do you think it was a bug or intended?

Completely true.

Playing full paragon for the first and second times, and once the beam hit Shepard, the scrs returned.

But that can be due to the wounds made by Harbinger's beam, too. We have to think about every possibility out there.

Modifié par Erethrian, 23 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[RoyalGambit]

Denvian wrote...

I have heard that some people's renegade scars game back after they were hit by the beam, even when they were playing a paragon player. Did that happen to a lot of people? and if so do you think it was a bug or intended?

I played paragon, and Shepard's scars started showing after getting hit by the beam. Also happened earlier in the game, but can't remember when. 

Modifié par RoyalGambit, 23 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Denvian]

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

I have heard that some people's renegade scars game back after they were hit by the beam, even when they were playing a paragon player. Did that happen to a lot of people? and if so do you think it was a bug or intended?

Copletely true.

Playing full paragon for the first and second times, and once the beam hit Shepard, the scrs returned.

But that can be due to the wounds made by Harbinger's beam, too. We have to think about every possibility out there.

That did not happen to me. Of course I had almost no renegade points and full paragon.  

And yes it could have been due to being wounded... 

[Vahilor]

Somhow some people mention there squad mates dead on the ground. I now played the ending several times to look for hints and my squad mates Garrus ( who must be easily spotted as Turian) and Ashley never lay there dead. Only some dieing or dead male Hammer team guys.

[Erethrian]

Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

I have heard that some people's renegade scars game back after they were hit by the beam, even when they were playing a paragon player. Did that happen to a lot of people? and if so do you think it was a bug or intended?

Copletely true.

Playing full paragon for the first and second times, and once the beam hit Shepard, the scrs returned.

But that can be due to the wounds made by Harbinger's beam, too. We have to think about every possibility out there.

That did not happen to me. Of course I had almost no renegade points and full paragon.  

And yes it could have been due to being wounded... 

Hmm, same here but the scars were visible. That's strange.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Vahilor wrote...

Somhow some people mention there squad mates dead on the ground. I now played the ending several times to look for hints and my squad mates Garrus ( who must be easily spotted as Turian) and Ashley never lay there dead. Only some dieing or dead male Hammer team guys.

I think it depends on your EMS

[Mohak]

Shepard was also hearing voices from the past during the game. I remember one time, running past the galaxy map, hearing(very silently) "What the hell is that thing?" or something close to it. Can't quite put your finger on it where it is from? Joker's walk towards freeing EDI in ME2 during collectors invasion on Normandy. Shepard wasn't even present at the time(yet he/she was still hearing it in ME3), which points towards "player indoctrination".

I also have a feeling that this whole "indoctrination theory" was nudged forward by some Bioware employee pretending to be an average Joe. Tho this is just my own little conspiracy theory .

[Denvian]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Somhow some people mention there squad mates dead on the ground. I now played the ending several times to look for hints and my squad mates Garrus ( who must be easily spotted as Turian) and Ashley never lay there dead. Only some dieing or dead male Hammer team guys.

I think it depends on your EMS

Wish someone had a screen shot of this... If they did and then got the video of them surviving in the Normandy that would be a big one (other than how they got on the Normandy in the first place)

[Lakeshow1986]

I can't see a video anywhere on the internet but this is just after the Citadel battle, which Bailey says they've searched everywhere including the keeper tunnels and could not find Kai Leng. Shepard "renegade" response is that surely it's only "one way in, one way out", which Bailey refutes and states the Keeper tunnels leading to the superstructure are like an "ant farm".

Considering what we got at the end when you arrive at the Citadel, surely this narrow tunnel leading to the "superstructure" can't be the only way in!?



Sorry for the bad quality, it was off my phone, don't have a capture card. Thought it was also interesting that Leng released a VI into the system, more food for thought!

[greywardencommander]

Erethrian wrote...

I'm not sure if this was already posted here, so: http://www.ign.com/b...ion-theory-2-0/

Everything posted there makes sense I think. Might explain why IGN and other big reviewers are not taking take back mass effect seriously but can't say why without giving it away (because they've got nda's)...maybe

Regardless the points made there are how I interpreted the Final App stuff, the PR statements and the 'if you saw what were doing you wouldn't be reacting this way' and all the jazz on twitter

[Denvian]

Mohak wrote...

Shepard was also hearing voices from the past during the game. I remember one time, running past the galaxy map, hearing(very silently) "What the hell is that thing?" or something close to it. Can't quite put your finger on it where it is from? Joker's walk towards freeing EDI in ME2 during collectors invasion on Normandy. Shepard wasn't even present at the time(yet he/she was still hearing it in ME3), which points towards "player indoctrination".

I also have a feeling that this whole "indoctrination theory" was nudged forward by some Bioware employee pretending to be an average Joe. Tho this is just my own little conspiracy theory .

The quote "What the hell is that thing?" is said when you first see the human reaper larva.  There is actually a recording for every crew member in Mass Effect 2 and it plays depending on who you have in your party... In my playthrough Miranda said it.

[Peranor]

Mass Effect 3 - Shepard's Indoctrination (NEW)


whether or not you believe in the Indoctrination theory this video is worth watching. It's well edited and thought out.
And yes, this video it has probably been posted before in this or another of the Indoctrination threads  But it's a good video and deserves to be brought to light again.

[nyrocron]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Somhow some people mention there squad mates dead on the ground. I now played the ending several times to look for hints and my squad mates Garrus ( who must be easily spotted as Turian) and Ashley never lay there dead. Only some dieing or dead male Hammer team guys.

I think it depends on your EMS

But they can get out of the Normandy anyways? That's a pretty good argument for IT.

But I think it's okay if your squadmates survive depending on EMS. In any case, there really should be a way to have them survive.

[greywardencommander]

anorling wrote...



Mass Effect 3 - Shepard's Indoctrination (NEW)


whether or not you believe in the Indoctrination theory this video is worth watching. It's well edited and thought out.
And yes, this video it has probably been posted before in this or another of the Indoctrination threads  But it's a good video and deserves to be brought to light again.

haha yep before but always worth a look to remind us, Angry Joe references it in his own one too where he supports the indoctrination theory and says it's the only thing that makes sense

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

Mohak wrote...

Shepard was also hearing voices from the past during the game. I remember one time, running past the galaxy map, hearing(very silently) "What the hell is that thing?" or something close to it. Can't quite put your finger on it where it is from? Joker's walk towards freeing EDI in ME2 during collectors invasion on Normandy. Shepard wasn't even present at the time(yet he/she was still hearing it in ME3), which points towards "player indoctrination".

I also have a feeling that this whole "indoctrination theory" was nudged forward by some Bioware employee pretending to be an average Joe. Tho this is just my own little conspiracy theory .

The quote "What the hell is that thing?" is said when you first see the human reaper larva.  There is actually a recording for every crew member in Mass Effect 2 and it plays depending on who you have in your party... In my playthrough Miranda said it.

see i've wondered that too, if not originally posting it because someone beat them to it then some of the people supporting it might well be bioware employees lol

[Denvian]

greywardencommander wrote...

anorling wrote...



Mass Effect 3 - Shepard's Indoctrination (NEW)


whether or not you believe in the Indoctrination theory this video is worth watching. It's well edited and thought out.
And yes, this video it has probably been posted before in this or another of the Indoctrination threads  But it's a good video and deserves to be brought to light again.

haha yep before but always worth a look to remind us, Angry Joe references it in his own one too where he supports the indoctrination theory and says it's the only thing that makes sense

It only has 175,000 views... got some work to do I see.

[Tiny5th]

Perhaps I am really clutching at emergency induction ports now but I can't help that reading this thread coupled with playing through the trilogy again has got me thinking.

Just how long have they been planning the overarching plot points? many writers of trilogies or sagas have them down from the beginning so they can begin foreshadowing early on.

Look at the lyrics of the song from the credits of ME1, is the choice of this perhaps reference to what shep would have to go through?

I
Have wondered about you
Where will you be
When this is through?

If all
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem
My life again?
My life again

Fire the fields, the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes, you're not alone
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own
And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own.

[Pride Demon]

An impressive theory this is...
By the way, has anyone noticed the control panel for the, well, "control" option actually has four levers...
Almost as if it was meant to be operated by a four armed species...

How many four armed species do we know? Could that mean anything?

[Erethrian]

nyrocron wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Somhow some people mention there squad mates dead on the ground. I now played the ending several times to look for hints and my squad mates Garrus ( who must be easily spotted as Turian) and Ashley never lay there dead. Only some dieing or dead male Hammer team guys.

I think it depends on your EMS

But they can get out of the Normandy anyways? That's a pretty good argument for IT.

But I think it's okay if your squadmates survive depending on EMS. In any case, there really should be a way to have them survive.

I agree. I'm sure they couldn't miss that major "plot-hole", it has to be intended. But we don't know for now, so maybe if they explain why, we can understand why they're there.