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[Denvian]

I am kinda hoping that this rumor is true

http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/

[Vahilor]

nyrocron wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Somhow some people mention there squad mates dead on the ground. I now played the ending several times to look for hints and my squad mates Garrus ( who must be easily spotted as Turian) and Ashley never lay there dead. Only some dieing or dead male Hammer team guys.

I think it depends on your EMS

But they can get out of the Normandy anyways? That's a pretty good argument for IT.

But I think it's okay if your squadmates survive depending on EMS. In any case, there really should be a way to have them survive.

It is totaly ok with me to let them survive.. so they had a chance to dodge the laser or could hide or somthing else fitiing in here.. so there is still an option they can help Shep, when he wakes up.

But I'm also the opinion, that even when they survive, there is no way for them to get on the Normandy in time and I don't even think that the LI will run away when Shep lays there dying/dead/unconcious.....

[Erethrian]

Tiny5th wrote...

Perhaps I am really clutching at emergency induction ports now but I can't help that reading this thread coupled with playing through the trilogy again has got me thinking.

Just how long have they been planning the overarching plot points? many writers of trilogies or sagas have them down from the beginning so they can begin foreshadowing early on.

Look at the lyrics of the song from the credits of ME1, is the choice of this perhaps reference to what shep would have to go through?

I
Have wondered about you
Where will you be
When this is through?

If all
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem
My life again?
My life again

Fire the fields, the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes, you're not alone
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own
And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own.

Oh, my... O.o

It's  amazing if it was planned, but yeah, grasping at emergency induction ports! 

[Leonia]

Pride Demon wrote...

An impressive theory this is...
By the way, has anyone noticed the control panel for the, well, "control" option actually has four levers...
Almost as if it was meant to be operated by a four armed species...

How many four armed species do we know? Could that mean anything?

The Keepers? Interesting catch.

[greywardencommander]

Erethrian wrote...

Tiny5th wrote...

Perhaps I am really clutching at emergency induction ports now but I can't help that reading this thread coupled with playing through the trilogy again has got me thinking.

Just how long have they been planning the overarching plot points? many writers of trilogies or sagas have them down from the beginning so they can begin foreshadowing early on.

Look at the lyrics of the song from the credits of ME1, is the choice of this perhaps reference to what shep would have to go through?

I
Have wondered about you
Where will you be
When this is through?

If all
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem
My life again?
My life again

Fire the fields, the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes, you're not alone
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own
And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own.

Oh, my... O.o

It's  amazing if it was planned, but yeah, grasping at emergency induction ports! 

maybe the true ending IS something to do with the dark energy that Drew said. Maybe dark energy effecting the crucible I don't know. All I know is for whatever reason they wanted Shepard to become indoctrinated at some point but couldn't figure how to do it game mechanic wise (like they say in the app) doesn't mean the idea was dropped.

I maintain that ME3 is very short even with all side quests and on two disks...ME1 was longer (for me by a long way anyway) and ME2 definitely was longer. Could that be a clue that the game is missing something, a massive patch maybe with the real endings? Who knows

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Mohak]

Denvian wrote...

Mohak wrote...

Shepard was also hearing voices from the past during the game. I remember one time, running past the galaxy map, hearing(very silently) "What the hell is that thing?" or something close to it. Can't quite put your finger on it where it is from? Joker's walk towards freeing EDI in ME2 during collectors invasion on Normandy. Shepard wasn't even present at the time(yet he/she was still hearing it in ME3), which points towards "player indoctrination".

I also have a feeling that this whole "indoctrination theory" was nudged forward by some Bioware employee pretending to be an average Joe. Tho this is just my own little conspiracy theory .

The quote "What the hell is that thing?" is said when you first see the human reaper larva.  There is actually a recording for every crew member in Mass Effect 2 and it plays depending on who you have in your party... In my playthrough Miranda said it.

Oh right, during the Joker scene someone says "God, what is that?" Mixed those two, silly me. I heard it at the same spot where Joker was walking during that line and it reminded me of it.

Modifié par Mohak, 23 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[nyrocron]

I agree that it was kind of short. But I don't think that the content is on disk (at least for PC).
Someome posted the IGN blog post about indoctrination theory, just wanted to say that it was interesting and good to see someone else interpreting their statements in that way.

Until they deny this theory I will believe that they planned it, for me it explains their pre-release statements and first reactions to fan outrage. The later statements can be attributed to PR/damage control imo and do not necessarily have anything to do with the plot.

Modifié par nyrocron, 23 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[greywardencommander]

nyrocron wrote...

I agree that it was kind of short. But I don't think that the content is on disk (at least for PC).
Someome posted the IGN blog post about indoctrination theory, just wanted to say that it was interesting and good to see someone else interpreting their statements in that way.

Until they deny this theory I will believe that they planned it, for me it explains their pre-release statements and first reactions to fan outrage. The later messages can be attributed to PR/damage control imo and do not necessarily have anything to do with the plot.

I don't think it could be on disk (although if it's somehow locked and can only be activated by patch/update could that still be hidden I don't know i'm hardly an expert I don't go around hacking) but it just felt so disappointly short that the most epic with the most dialogue (the two games combined) should be so short.

I agree that it would explain their initial reactions and then the latter stuff PR wise is their disbelief and not liking people attacking them on their twitter (going on to mac walters and telling him to f off  with the endings etc as i've seen on nearly every bioware employee on their) None of the PR stuff says 'these are the endings, they end there, there's nothing more we can only expand by explaining them etc' makes me think their's life in the IDT being planned still.

Maybe they didn't realise that it was as subtle as it was (when I got to the end I thought something was up, if nothing else about the TIM-Anderson switch) and that so many people would just accept the endings as fact because, well they wouldn't expect it to be anything else other than the endings?

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[greywardencommander]

Am I right in thinking that the 'canon' if you do it from the start without import is renegade? Wonder if that means anything :/ I'd have thought Paragon would be canon (it's normally the case that the good stuff ends up canon)

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 11:19 .

[benben84]

greywardencommander wrote...

Am I right in thinking that the 'canon' if you do it from the start without import is renegade? Wonder if that means anything :/ I'd have thought Paragon would be canon (it's normally the case that the good stuff ends up canon)

Well the game cover shows Shepard with red colored eyes and scars and a very sinister look on his face...

[SharpVec]

Denvian wrote...

I am kinda hoping that this rumor is true

http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/

Oh, please be true!

[SanoBub]

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

[Rifneno]

[quote]greywardencommander wrote...

I agree the whole game is 'the ending' all the story arcs but then it kind of flies in the face at the end cause no matter what the mass relays get destroyed (those arguing it's different to arrival there's a post using physics to prove otherwise and that it would lead to perhaps an even bigger explosion
http://social.biowar...96/blog/211763/ ) and causes all galaxy life to end, future mass effect titles would have to focus outside of the galaxy or prior to this trilogy, something I can live with but a complete hit in the gut if it can't be in the galaxy I love

[/quote]

QFT. The mass relays exploding would destroy the Milky Way. Keep in mind guys, the amount of mass relays we know about is a small fraction of the total. The turians don't call the First Contact War "Relay 314 Incident" because they like big numbers, they call it that because it's one of hundreds of documented relays. Which are, themselves, a small percentage of the total number. Hundreds of relays are known by Council races, but they've only seen less than 1% of the galaxy. And they stopped checking out relays after they poked their heads through one and a horde of indoctrinated bugs took their heads off on the other side. There's easily thousands, likely tens of thousands of relays.

Which also brings me back to the fact that we only see the relays we (and by extention, Shepard) has accustomed with explode. I find it hard to believe the designers 'forgot' such an important part of their own lore.

[quote]nyrocron wrote...

/edit: But maybe we should get back to topic. I would still like to see any ideas on the fact that the reapers were focusing London. Maybe I (or we) missed something in the game? Also WHY did Joker leave?[/quote]

I'm really expecting a mindblow when they tell us why London. Because I can't think of any reason that holds water. As for Joker, let's not forget that Jessica Merizan told us that no, the Normandy did not and could not have made it to the Sol relay before it went nuclear. The scene deplicts two moons and lots of plantlife. In the Sol system, only Earth can currently support plant life. Earth has one moon (duh). Therefor we can reasonably assess that there's two possibilities. Jessica Merizan really needs to bone up on her 5th grade science, or she was hinting to us that the Normandy scene did not actually happen. Needless to say, I'm thinking it was the latter.

[quote]Redbelle wrote...

mass effect fields stopped air rushing out of Normany when it got hulled in ME2 so the citadel could have a more elaborate system for holding in an atmoshere

[/quote]

The only field was around Joker and it was clearly visible. Shepard was wearing a breather helmet. And ME1 established that there is no such field outside the Citadel when Shepard tells the squad to helmet up when they leave the elevator.

[quote]ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Who says Shepard couldn't survive that did absolutely none of you play 2? The man died and got better! I mean he was blown up burnt left in space with no air for HOURS and somehow survive it all? So basically you're telling me the man who survived getting blown up and left in space with no air couldn't survive falling with no air? And hey maybe he doesn't burn up maybe the o-zone in the future sucks from global warming but with the tech we have it doesn't matter. Who knows we know virtually nothing about futuristic earth in this game it's never really been of interest until it was attacked. So the idea of shepard making it to earth and surviving is just as likely as it all being a dream to me!

[/quote]

"Conrad, I haven't been shot in the head nearly enough times to make that sound like a good idea." - Commander Shepard

Holy crap. If the atmosphere was that horrifically damaged from pollution, people would have to be wearing anti-radiation and anti-murderous-heat suits to protect themselves from the unholy wrath of the sun when it's not filtered through the atmosphere. And the sky wouldn't be blue. And a lot of other things you can deduce from a quick glance at Earth in ME3. And do you know how much velocity you'd hit with after a fall of a few hundred thousand feet? Then, somehow, miraculously, he appears UNDER the rubble rather than ON TOP of it.

Yeah, it's just as likely. If you're in a looney tunes cartoon.

[quote]And Shepards implants aren't like Saren or Illusive man he used organic tech they used reaper tech HUGE difference. [/quote]

LOL. You don't know what they used. None of us do.

[quote]InnerTurmoil wrote...

tl;dr The sequence at the end is using the part of the game designed for dream sequences.

Could this just be for ease of programming the ending... possibly.
Has this been brought up before... probably.

[/quote]

It hasn't that I've seen. Excellent find!

Also an excellent find with Rhyth and the 1M1. Congratulations on solving one of the biggest "what the hell's that?"s of this whole ordeal. It's an ME1 model recycle... from the end of the Citadel. I realize I'm biased but I think that just screams more evidence of Shepard piecing the whole place today with crap he's seen from his past. I mean why else would they import that model JUST to put it in a place where it couldn't possibly be? Harbing--er, starchild specifically tells us no organic being has EVER been there. The only conclusion I can see is that they imported it just so it could look out of place.

You know, this gives me an idea. I doubt it'd be true because it'd have been found by now and it'd prove IT pretty much conclusively. But, LotSB isn't canon. If you didn't do it, Shepard doesn't even know at first the Liara is the Shadow Broker. So has anyone seen if the 2nd room in the "Citadel", the one that we believe is an imitation of Shepard's mind of the SB ship's engines with the sliding plates, is different if you're playing a Shepard that didn't do LotSB?

[quote]FellishBeast wrote...

On my second playthrough and during the Palaven mission, Shepard says something along the lines of "James, is that you breathing so heavily?" And he says "Yeah, the atmosphere is thinner (I think he said thinner) than I'm used to." Sorry, I can't remember word for word, but I think you get the idea. Just wondering if there's any significance to that, since you are forced to have him during that exact moment for that mission, so you'll always hear this. He's the one that mentioned the "humming," too. I'm reaching here, but it just struck me as an odd thing to say.[/quote]

He also mentions during the fuel station side mission that he feels like they're being watched. Granted, there are husks and stuff around, but I think if the husks knew they were there then they'd have already been attacking and doing their groaning noises. Reaperized organic slaves aren't big on stealth. They just kill whatever they see.

[quote]policenauts wrote...

just found something: in the scene when javik is first on the normandy he touches shepard to sense him.

javik then says: "i can sense fear in you. anxiety and distress. the reapers are winning."

that /could/ be a hint that the reapers are winning the indoctrination. so /maybe/ javik sensed it in shepard.[/quote]

If you recruit him later on, he says different stuff. I don't know what the trigger is... EMS, a certain plot point, or whatever. I forget what exactly he said, sensed determination or something, but it definitely ended with "You believe you are winning."

I hate Javik BTW. No relevance, I just have to get that out.

[quote]Militarized wrote...

Is this still not dead? [/quote]

Are IT opponents still posting nonsense like this?

[quote]Denvian wrote...

I have heard that some people's renegade scars game back after they were hit by the beam, even when they were playing a paragon player. Did that happen to a lot of people? and if so do you think it was a bug or intended? [/quote]

It happens everytime I've seen it. But personally I think it's just a bug. I'd love to be wrong though.

[quote]greywardencommander wrote...

Am I right in thinking that the 'canon' if you do it from the start without import is renegade? Wonder if that means anything :/ I'd have thought Paragon would be canon (it's normally the case that the good stuff ends up canon)[/quote]

I haven't played non-import ME3, and only non-import ME2 once when it first came out... but I think it's mostly a matter of they didn't want to confuse new players by having old characters pop up constantly and talk about things they had no idea about. And that's reasonable, I think it would discourage new players to constantly be bombarded with "old friends" chatting with them about a past they've never heard of.

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

The bad thing is that if Bioware confirms the indoc theory, people that hasn't been convinced until now won't be persuaded after an eventual Bioware confirmation.

[Erethrian]

SanoBub wrote...

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

It's true, but Arrival is not canon. All new games of ME3 and the imported games where you don't have Arrival, it's supposed that you (Shep) weren't there. So, I think Arrival is discarded for the theory for now. But it's clearly a good addition. In arrival the reapers didn't kill Shepard, they tried to do something to him, maybe they tried to indoctrinate him.

[Denvian]

SanoBub wrote...

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

I not sure if he says that in another option but this is the one I remember 

Modifié par Denvian, 23 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Denvian]

Erethrian wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

It's true, but Arrival is not canon. All new games of ME3 and the imported games where you don't have Arrival, it's supposed that you (Shep) weren't there. So, I think Arrival is discarded for the theory for now. But it's clearly a good addition. In arrival the reapers didn't kill Shepard, they tried to do something to him, maybe they tried to indoctrinate him.

I thought you got in trouble for destroying the relay even if you did not play arrival?  

[Erethrian]

Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

It's true, but Arrival is not canon. All new games of ME3 and the imported games where you don't have Arrival, it's supposed that you (Shep) weren't there. So, I think Arrival is discarded for the theory for now. But it's clearly a good addition. In arrival the reapers didn't kill Shepard, they tried to do something to him, maybe they tried to indoctrinate him.

I thought you got in trouble for destroying the relay even if you did not play arrival?  

I thought the same at first, but then it's stated later in the game when you talk to a Batarian, Shepard wasn't there if you didn't play the Arrival DLC. And Anderson never points out at the beginning anything about the batarian worlds devastated and the 300.000 people killed.

Modifié par Erethrian, 23 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[Denvian]

Erethrian wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

It's true, but Arrival is not canon. All new games of ME3 and the imported games where you don't have Arrival, it's supposed that you (Shep) weren't there. So, I think Arrival is discarded for the theory for now. But it's clearly a good addition. In arrival the reapers didn't kill Shepard, they tried to do something to him, maybe they tried to indoctrinate him.

I thought you got in trouble for destroying the relay even if you did not play arrival?  

I thought the same at first, but then it's stated later in the game when you talk to a Batarian, Shepard wasn't there if you didn't play the Arrival DLC. And Anderson never point out at the beginning anything about the batarian worlds devastated and the 300.000 people killed.

Interesting... maybe you just get in trouble for working with Cerberus and because your always telling them what to do... they don't like that.

[XXIceColdXX]

Arrival is canon, whether you play it or not.

[greywardencommander]

Erethrian wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

First post here!

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but I seem to remember that Object Rho/Harbinger said something like "Your mind will be mine!" (Or something like that....I played the german version) to Shepard during the Arrival DLC.
That's another evidence in my opinion.
I'm not entirely sure though, it's been a while since I played the Arrival DLC.

It's true, but Arrival is not canon. All new games of ME3 and the imported games where you don't have Arrival, it's supposed that you (Shep) weren't there. So, I think Arrival is discarded for the theory for now. But it's clearly a good addition. In arrival the reapers didn't kill Shepard, they tried to do something to him, maybe they tried to indoctrinate him.

how do you explain the fact that arrival leads to you grounded on earth then...that's the whole point of the DLC and the fact it's mentioned at all means it 'is' canon

[CaptnZoricus]

Denvian wrote...

I am kinda hoping that this rumor is true

http://www.gamefront...h-due-in-april/

Don't trade your disks in yet kiddies!

[SanoBub]

Finally found it:
At ~7:00 min

[Erethrian]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Arrival is canon, whether you play it or not.

Wrong, look at the guide.

The events in arrival happened, but it wasn't Shepard who did them if you didn't play the DLC.

It happens the same with the Lair of the Shadow Broker.

In ME3, without a save import, Liara says how she, alone, took the place of the previous broker and rescued Feron.

[nyrocron]

TrveOmegaSlayer wrote...

The bad thing is that if Bioware confirms the indoc theory, people that hasn't been convinced until now won't be persuaded after an eventual Bioware confirmation.

Well if they do not only announce but release DLC in April there is no way they did not have it planned. If they only announce something you may be right and I also expect fans to rage