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[Denvian]

14 days is soooooooooooooo looooooooooooong

[WestLakeDragon]

Don't know if it has been said, and there a couple too many pages for me to read through, so I'm gonna state my thoughts on the Synthesis choice at the end:

The choice for Control seems and the choice for Destroy are pretty straight forward, but the choice for Synthesis seems like it is there but not as a valid choice, and that it is Harbinger's last ditch effort to get you to not choose Destroy, knowing that the Control option wouldn't necessarily sound enticing to a Paragon Shepard. My thoughts on the matter are that the beam did nothing like what was said it would do, it in fact was Harbinger letting Shepard die.

Why I think this is more just my thoughts and not as much evidence but... Why the heck would throwing yourself into some huge beam of energy do anything other than kill you? It doesn't make sense to me at all. It is the same beam as the one on the ground, but this one isn't teleporting you somewhere, so why is it that if you hurl yourself at it you will magically turn everyone into synthetic organic life?

Anyways, that's just my thoughts on the Synthesis option, sorry if it's been talked about.

[Catreina-JTV]

greywardencommander wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Catreina-JTV wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Rhyth wrote...

http://i214.photobuc...x/0688283a.jpg

So the 1M1 was in Mass Effect 1?

And on the Citadel no less.

I'll admit, even I, an ardent supporter of Indoc Theory, thought that that particular piece of "evidence" was grasping at straws.

does that even include my idea on 1m1 and 8m8 and the messages regarding convergence and divergence? Or just the fact it could be re-used environment?

It puts a very large hole in the evidence that the 1M1 was a figment of Shep's imagination/part of the hallucination. Considering the images were there on the Citadel during ME1 (that is the citadel, look at the background, it is virtually the same as the scene in ME3 with TIM) one would have to conclude that the images are real.

On the flip side however, theories based on the 1M1 could still be legitimate - remember how close Shepard was to Sovereign during that screenshot....

[Catreina-JTV]

Asuka Bianchini wrote...

How is Shepard breathing without a helmet?
The last scene with the Catalyst... it is at the citadel... the citadel is in space... the area where your final decision happens is an open area (you can even see the reapers flying around and etc) , and no helmet.

By this statement you should be asking how anyone is breathing anywhere on the citadel, as it is all in open space (you can see traffic on one arm from another)

The answer is that there is a shield around areas where organics are located. A possible extension of this would be to claim that there is a shield around the "control center" area as well.

[SanoBub]

Just wanted to repost this vid (at ~7:00 min): just in case some have missed it.
The "Your mind will be mine!" part is a perfect evidence that harbinger is at least interested in a indoctrination of Shepard in my opinion.
Maybe they developed the Arrival DLC when they still had the indoctrination gameplay plan for ME3 though....

[greywardencommander]

Catreina-JTV wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Catreina-JTV wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Rhyth wrote...

http://i214.photobuc...x/0688283a.jpg

So the 1M1 was in Mass Effect 1?

And on the Citadel no less.

I'll admit, even I, an ardent supporter of Indoc Theory, thought that that particular piece of "evidence" was grasping at straws.

does that even include my idea on 1m1 and 8m8 and the messages regarding convergence and divergence? Or just the fact it could be re-used environment?

It puts a very large hole in the evidence that the 1M1 was a figment of Shep's imagination/part of the hallucination. Considering the images were there on the Citadel during ME1 (that is the citadel, look at the background, it is virtually the same as the scene in ME3 with TIM) one would have to conclude that the images are real.

On the flip side however, theories based on the 1M1 could still be legitimate - remember how close Shepard was to Sovereign during that screenshot....

I approached it that way but not in terms of figments (though that could equally be true because it's based on the Sovereign memory given the other references to his memory) but in the fact that say 1m1 idea (ignore 8m8) then it seem to hint at destroy (when showing control it's mirrored, in destroy it's not) if you go with the 1m1 is an abbreviation of the formula for convergence (all leads to the same conclusion) - i.e. they're telling you destroy is the best option

Like I said at the time I was probably overthinking it all, especially with regards to 8m8 (being the opposite of divergence and being shown last in the Normandy crashes scene thus symbolising multiple branches) and I think I said that in any case the 1m1 idea could still be true if the endings still hold as they are it isn't evidence of IT

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[JustAidan]

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

[greywardencommander]

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

The illusion stuff may have been there intention after all regardless of IT in which case the endings could be you waking up in the hospital. Who knows, I just want to know NOW lol

[Stigweird85]

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

That makes sense I suppose but  how did the crew end up on Normandy - during my ending the squad I took with me Tali and Edi both stepped out of the crashed Normandy?

[Dwailing]

greywardencommander wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Catreina-JTV wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Rhyth wrote...

http://i214.photobuc...x/0688283a.jpg

So the 1M1 was in Mass Effect 1?

And on the Citadel no less.

I'll admit, even I, an ardent supporter of Indoc Theory, thought that that particular piece of "evidence" was grasping at straws.

does that even include my idea on 1m1 and 8m8 and the messages regarding convergence and divergence? Or just the fact it could be re-used environment?

Just that it is a re-used texture.

[JustAidan]

bigstig wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

That makes sense I suppose but  how did the crew end up on Normandy - during my ending the squad I took with me Tali and Edi both stepped out of the crashed Normandy?

If it is the IT then the Normandy crash can't be taken as fact.

[greywardencommander]

bigstig wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

That makes sense I suppose but  how did the crew end up on Normandy - during my ending the squad I took with me Tali and Edi both stepped out of the crashed Normandy?

It's still an illusion like IT so still a symbol of hope...

[Dwailing]

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

That makes sense I suppose but  how did the crew end up on Normandy - during my ending the squad I took with me Tali and Edi both stepped out of the crashed Normandy?

If it is the IT then the Normandy crash can't be taken as fact.

Uh, the Normandy crash was already believed to be just another part of the indoc vision/halucination.  We already disregarded it as fact.

[Denvian]

SanoBub wrote...

Just wanted to repost this vid (at ~7:00 min): just in case some have missed it.
The "Your mind will be mine!" part is a perfect evidence that harbinger is at least interested in a indoctrination of Shepard in my opinion.
Maybe they developed the Arrival DLC when they still had the indoctrination gameplay plan for ME3 though....

Hey thanks!! I could not remember where that was!

[greywardencommander]

Dwailing wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

bigstig wrote...

( Events were an illusion - How did they get his body, where is he being treated? What happened to the threat.

"...our entire force has been deciemated." "It's too much." "We need to regroup" "Fall back to the buildings." "Hammer is wiped out." "All forces retreat."

First bits over the radio after harby's beam. Guess your squad didn't leave you, they dragged you to safety.

That makes sense I suppose but  how did the crew end up on Normandy - during my ending the squad I took with me Tali and Edi both stepped out of the crashed Normandy?

If it is the IT then the Normandy crash can't be taken as fact.

Uh, the Normandy crash was already believed to be just another part of the indoc vision/halucination.  We already disregarded it as fact.

I think it was Bigstig who misinterpreted and asked what it meant with regards to the radio and how you end up in hospital

I'm assuming idea is that it was while you're still in London after being hit you're dragged by the crew and the last 10 minutes are an illusion/fighting indoctrination or whatever still

[Terran235]

What if the whole final act is a whole full blown expansion?

[Rifneno]

Catreina-JTV wrote...

It puts a very large hole in the evidence that the 1M1 was a figment of Shep's imagination/part of the hallucination. Considering the images were there on the Citadel during ME1 (that is the citadel, look at the background, it is virtually the same as the scene in ME3 with TIM) one would have to conclude that the images are real.

On the flip side however, theories based on the 1M1 could still be legitimate - remember how close Shepard was to Sovereign during that screenshot....

No.  It was seen in ME1 because we were in a part of the Citadel where humans and other organics lived and used.  Of course it'd be full of stuff from them.  The part of the Citadel where starchild was is not.  He very specifically tells Shepard that he is the first organic there ever.  How did something that is apparently from current day races get up to a hidden part of the Citadel where no organic has ever been?

Also, no one has found that model anywhere else in ME3.  Meaning it was imported specifically to put in the starchild room.  There's plenty of other models, ones already in ME3, that they could've used in its place.  In fact it doesn't really serve any purpose, we'd never notice if it simply wasn't there.  Yet they went out of their way to import it from the original game just to stick in the only place that it couldn't be explained legitimately being.

[JustAidan]

Terran235 wrote...

What if the whole final act is a whole full blown expansion?

I am suspecting this as well.
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So a delayed ending, I can just imagine EA/Bioware going "And that Ladies and Gentlemen is how you beat second hand sales."

Though seriously I am enjoying this metagame.

Modifié par JustAidan, 23 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[Denvian]

Rifneno wrote...

Catreina-JTV wrote...

It puts a very large hole in the evidence that the 1M1 was a figment of Shep's imagination/part of the hallucination. Considering the images were there on the Citadel during ME1 (that is the citadel, look at the background, it is virtually the same as the scene in ME3 with TIM) one would have to conclude that the images are real.

On the flip side however, theories based on the 1M1 could still be legitimate - remember how close Shepard was to Sovereign during that screenshot....

No.  It was seen in ME1 because we were in a part of the Citadel where humans and other organics lived and used.  Of course it'd be full of stuff from them.  The part of the Citadel where starchild was is not.  He very specifically tells Shepard that he is the first organic there ever.  How did something that is apparently from current day races get up to a hidden part of the Citadel where no organic has ever been?

Also, no one has found that model anywhere else in ME3.  Meaning it was imported specifically to put in the starchild room.  There's plenty of other models, ones already in ME3, that they could've used in its place.  In fact it doesn't really serve any purpose, we'd never notice if it simply wasn't there.  Yet they went out of their way to import it from the original game just to stick in the only place that it couldn't be explained legitimately being.

Really the 1m1 could be evidence but I think the part taken from the Shadow Broker Base is a much better example... Oh and dont forget this

The human reapers spine or the tubes holding it up look exaclty like the destroy choice conduit complete with red light.

Full size: ]http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/DenenVawtner/ReaperSpine.jpg

Modifié par Denvian, 23 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[Stigweird85]

I really hope that in April they announce the rumoured "Truth" DLC is real and that it has a realitivly close launch date

Unless they annouced Mass Effect 3.5 as a disk based expansion I would happily wait another 6months to a year for a substational update

[JustAidan]

Denvian wrote...
Snip

I didn't know that was where the pipe was from.

The Destroy option works by destroying one of the feeder pipes that Shepard remembers from the human proto-reaper. =D
So yeah, the ending area is definitly just composed of bits of Shepard's memory.

Bioware have really outdone themselves.

[Denvian]

JustAidan wrote...

Denvian wrote...
Snip

I didn't know that was where the pipe was from.

The Destroy option works by destroying one of the feeder pipes that Shepard remembers from the human proto-reaper. =D
So yeah, the ending area is definitly just composed of bits of Shepard's memory.

Bioware have really outdone themselves.

I am proud of that catch and that is why I am shamelessly posting it again

[Rifneno]

Denvian wrote...

Really the 1m1 could be evidence but I think the part taken from the Shadow Broker Base is a much better example...

Oh I'm not saying it's one of the best pieces of evidence.  I'm just saying it likely is rather than a simple model recycle.

[JustAidan]

Denvian wrote...

I am proud of that catch and that is why I am shamelessly posting it again

=D Thanks for that.
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Sorry I can't resist the smiley.

SPAAACCEEE MAAAGIICC!!!

[Dwailing]

Denvian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Catreina-JTV wrote...

It puts a very large hole in the evidence that the 1M1 was a figment of Shep's imagination/part of the hallucination. Considering the images were there on the Citadel during ME1 (that is the citadel, look at the background, it is virtually the same as the scene in ME3 with TIM) one would have to conclude that the images are real.

On the flip side however, theories based on the 1M1 could still be legitimate - remember how close Shepard was to Sovereign during that screenshot....

No.  It was seen in ME1 because we were in a part of the Citadel where humans and other organics lived and used.  Of course it'd be full of stuff from them.  The part of the Citadel where starchild was is not.  He very specifically tells Shepard that he is the first organic there ever.  How did something that is apparently from current day races get up to a hidden part of the Citadel where no organic has ever been?

Also, no one has found that model anywhere else in ME3.  Meaning it was imported specifically to put in the starchild room.  There's plenty of other models, ones already in ME3, that they could've used in its place.  In fact it doesn't really serve any purpose, we'd never notice if it simply wasn't there.  Yet they went out of their way to import it from the original game just to stick in the only place that it couldn't be explained legitimately being.

Really the 1m1 could be evidence but I think the part taken from the Shadow Broker Base is a much better example... Oh and dont forget this

The human reapers spine oe rhe tubes holding it up look exaclty like the destroy choice conduit complete with red light.

Full size: ]http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/DenenVawtner/ReaperSpine.jpg

Wow, that is amazing.  I'm surprised, given everything else, that this wasn't found sooner.  But yes, that tube does look like the tubes from the Proto Reaper.  It's official, Bioware is truely the greatest developer of all time.  (Sorry Bungie )  

P.S.  We all knew Bioware was the greatest developer of all time before this but this just makes it impossible for anyone else to come along and take their title.  At least for the next decade or so.