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[JustAidan]

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

[Anteocitis]

greywardencommander wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

About the narmandy crash, I had the same feeling, the question is, if the theory is right of course, why Shepard blew up the mass relays?

it's representing his brain either succumbing to (blue and green) or rejecting (red) the indoctrination. The mass relays firing represent the neurons. It starts in the Viper Nebula (where the only relay was destroyed, because in Arrival we did it, or happened canon but Shepard wasn't there if didn't play) not in the Sol system (where it should originate given the fact the Citadel (where the catalyst and crucible are) is where it should start.

Why because the Viper Nebula is where it started (knocked out for two days exposed to Object Rho the Reaper Artifact that had indoctrinated the people there)

Edit: even if it's not the viper nebula
a) why do it anywhere other than the sol system
it stems from the citadel and the crucible, it should be the sol system

There's so much Handwavium in the ending they could start it in a different galaxy and not amke it any worse.

[Denvian]

byne wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

My thoughts exactly he just wants to see his crew safe, and liara happy because thats what he would want, thats why they are on a lush green planet that wasnt touched by the reapers.

“I spent two years mourning you. So if we're going to try this, I need to know you're always coming back.” - Liara

“Forgive the insubordination, but your boyfriend has an order for you...come back alive. It'd be an awfully empty galaxy without you….” - Garrus

"I want more time..." - Tali, near tears

"I dont want you to go!"  - Ashley, also near tears

"I'm going to fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." - Kaidan

Our love interests just forget about things they've said, and are suddenly all happy stranded on a planet, never to see us again?

No Bioware. No. 

If it isnt a hallucination, Bioware apparently just forgot everything about all their characters, which doesnt make any sense, because characters have always been the thing Bioware does best.

Three cheers for OP!!! Always popping in with good stuff byne!

[JustAidan]

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Modifié par JustAidan, 23 mars 2012 - 06:36 .

[McGrzegorz]

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

...Space is not cold...

What do you mean by that?

[Denvian]

JustAidan wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Awesome little montage of that

http://i202.photobuc...tner/WNTHS.jpg 

[greywardencommander]

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

He'd still float SOMEWHERE he's clearly landed somewhere i.e some sort of planet (regardless of Earth) that impact would crush him (ME2 Jacob: your body was mush) - that would kill him just like in ME2, he wouldn't be able to breathe given he has no helmet (judging by ME2 and that was with a helmet) and he would be incinerated with his suit in the state it's in.

[Rksmithers]

byne wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

My thoughts exactly he just wants to see his crew safe, and liara happy because thats what he would want, thats why they are on a lush green planet that wasnt touched by the reapers.

“I spent two years mourning you. So if we're going to try this, I need to know you're always coming back.” - Liara

“Forgive the insubordination, but your boyfriend has an order for you...come back alive. It'd be an awfully empty galaxy without you….” - Garrus

"I want more time..." - Tali, near tears

"I dont want you to go!"  - Ashley, also near tears

"I'm going to fight like hell for the chance to hold you again." - Kaidan

Our love interests just forget about things they've said, and are suddenly all happy stranded on a planet, never to see us again?

No Bioware. No. 

If it isnt a hallucination, Bioware apparently just forgot everything about all their characters, which doesnt make any sense, because characters have always been the thing Bioware does best.

exactly, and if i was shepard (which oh by the way i technicly am) i wouldnt want to hurt liara by not coming back. Unless it was litteraly dying for her. for example in the deleted scene when she gets blasted i would jump to push her out of the way or something. THAT would be worth dying for to save her and make sure she lives.

[SanoBub]

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

Thanks! I always assumed it's just damn cold but you are absolutely right! Haven't even thought of that!
Really interesting!
But I guess we can agree that the whole "He just fell back to earth" thing is plain nonsense 

Cheers
Dennis

[Denvian]

McGrzegorz wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

...Space is not cold...

What do you mean by that?

If you are not in direct sunlight space is cold... if you are in direct sunlight space is really freaking hot... Either way instant death for the bug.

[byne]

JustAidan wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Was Jessica Merizan who linked to this thread. She's not a dev or anything, but still, its interesting.

Modifié par byne, 23 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Awesome little montage of that

http://i202.photobuc...tner/WNTHS.jpg 

the most telling is 'i want to discuss but spoilers' they're the endings they're final (or are they), she doesn't mind the spoiling in terms of squad mates being killed (that she also replies too) so it's not that...

[lex0r11]

McGrzegorz wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

...Space is not cold...

What do you mean by that?

Where you got that from? It is said that in empty space,  the temperature is -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit.

[greywardencommander]

byne wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Was Jessica Merizan who linked to this thread. She's not a dev or anything, but still, its interesting.

she's still Bioware and community manager and it's her tweets
'i want to discuss but spoilers', she's perfectly fine with the spoiling of who dies and other missions though (she replies to them) so it's not spoilers in general sense of ruining it for people who are yet to play

[Denvian]

They are being very evasive of answering any questions about InDoc at any rate... Which I think is some evidence that it might be true.

[Rksmithers]

...................................... Bioware you tricky bastards you..................................................

[Denvian]

byne wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Was Jessica Merizan who linked to this thread. She's not a dev or anything, but still, its interesting.

WHOA!  I did not realize she linked directly here!  Thanks for that!

[lex0r11]

Denvian wrote...

byne wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...


I don't understand how some people can say the IT is false or debunked just because a vague statement is put on twitter that says practically nothing. They just give up just like that. All we have to do is wait a little longer to find out what they are planning or have had planned all along. It's not that hard.

I mean the clues are all there and it would blow my mind to find out they weren't intentional and just a coincidence. The writers can't be that bad. 

Anyways, keep up the good work 

The earlier twitter and facebook stuff from @MassEffect were all "wink wink can't talk about it yet".
I think they even linked to this thread for people discussing the ending, can't find it anymore now, it's waaaaaaay back in here.

Was Jessica Merizan who linked to this thread. She's not a dev or anything, but still, its interesting.

WHOA!  I did not realize she linked directly here!  Thanks for that!

Yeah, she was watching us. I got very paranoid that evening.

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

They are being very evasive of answering any questions about InDoc at any rate... Which I think is some evidence that it might be true.

'you sure there are no answers'

'there's a pretty big theory in the community' and they're clinging to it' (powerphrase) by someone her reply 'i wouldn't say 'clinging' the community have thought of something really cool' (emphasising the coolness because it's intended?)

'this community makes me so proud' (for figuring it out?) I know it's in reply to the giving constructive feedback but still

the 'schemes' of dlc inaccurate but the indoctrination/hallucination?

I don't know guys i've always maintained that all this cryptic and avoiding the ending with regards to indoctrination/hallucination is strange at this point. If it's to avoid spoilers we're long past that, and even before they were happy to reply to anything regarding the rest of the game which are MAJOR spoilers (e.g. someone said Mordin's and legions deaths so well done and she replied with I know it was amazing or something like that) to anyone who was still playing

Modifié par greywardencommander, 23 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[VvAndromedavV]

JustAidan wrote...

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

Wow, thanks for the info and the link. I always thought if you were exposed to space you'd either instantly freeze or your blood would boil due to lack of pressure. I learned something today! Super interesting!

One correction, though: space is cold---at least according to the article you linked. :-)

[JustAidan]

greywardencommander wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

He'd still float SOMEWHERE he's clearly landed somewhere i.e some sort of planet (regardless of Earth) that impact would crush him (ME2 Jacob: your body was mush) - that would kill him just like in ME2, he wouldn't be able to breathe given he has no helmet (judging by ME2 and that was with a helmet) and he would be incinerated with his suit in the state it's in.

Correct I was addressing the "Space is cold" portion. Friction with an atmosphere produces the heat on reentry, this is why actual astronauts control the angle of their descent to reduce this effect and to spread this heat over their thermal plates. I think I say a pretty scary single person emergency reentry "parachute" for someone in a space suit somewhere awhile back.

Ooo, here is another nice space fact, very heavy object can be made to move veeerrrry slowwwwly, while these appear quite slow and easy to stop, at least if you where on earth which is our frame of reference=), the amount of inertia they have is huge.

So if you watch a space film and watch a villian being very very slowly crushed to death by a giant object you now know that this is entirely realistic =)

VvAndromedavV wrote...

One correction, though: space is cold---at least according to the article you linked. :-)

lex0r11 wrote...

Where you got that from? It is said that in empty space,  the temperature is -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit.

Hmm will have to check with people/articles about that again but from the stuff I know, deep space between galaxies (like where the Reapers hiberate ) is definitely cold, close to absolute zero 1-2 Kevlin or -271 C. If you were just outside earths atmosphere you are still pretty much in the same place relative to the sun, which heats our planet =). So not cold as far as we have been concerned so far.

In sort, we are still near the sun so it is not cold and that is all we have cared about (or been able to experience) so far.

Modifié par JustAidan, 23 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[greywardencommander]

JustAidan wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

He'd still float SOMEWHERE he's clearly landed somewhere i.e some sort of planet (regardless of Earth) that impact would crush him (ME2 Jacob: your body was mush) - that would kill him just like in ME2, he wouldn't be able to breathe given he has no helmet (judging by ME2 and that was with a helmet) and he would be incinerated with his suit in the state it's in.

Correct I was addressing the "Space is cold" portion. Friction with an atmosphere produces the heat on reentry, this is why actual astronauts control the angle of their descent to reduce this effect and to spread this heat over their thermal plates. I think I say a pretty scary single person emergency reentry "parachute" for someone in a space suit somewhere awhile back.

Ooo, here is another nice space fact, very heavy object can be made to move veeerrrry slowwwwly, while these appear quite slow and easy to stop, at least if you where on earth which is our frame of reference=), the amount of inertia they have is huge.

So if you watch a space film and watch a villian being very very slowly crushed to death by a giant object you now know that this is entirely realistic =)

My apologies I didn't read what you were replying to thus i assumed it was your reasons against indoctrination because he could survive in space or something lol

[Rifneno]

Makatak wrote...

Guys, the one big gaping hole in Indoctrination Theory is simple:

Bioware didn't write it. It's fanfiction. You all are subscribing to someone who should probably be demanding royalties (were it allowed in the ToS of this forum).

Oh goodie, another one who thinks all this stuff is just a coincidence.  Things like Shepard's eyes turning to what we know for a fact to be early indoctrinated eyes, just happened by ACCIDENT.  BW didn't plan it, heavens no! 

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Don't you have a game to return to amazon or something?

Oh snap.

greywardencommander wrote...

Here's your new endings, it has Shepard, Hawke, the Warden, Garrus, Tali, Varric...wait you don't believe us??? What does the date matter?

That would still make more sense than any other game involving Hawke and Varric.

Rksmithers wrote...

its BOWL CRAP!

Err...

Absurdest Derivative wrote...

Keepers' doing, probably.

The Keepers are organic too. Indoctrinated to the point of being completely mindless, but organic nonetheless.

lex0r11 wrote...

Where you got that from? It is said that in empty space, the temperature is -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit.

Probably, if you aren't near any stars. But we're talking about right outside of Earth so it'd still have the heat from Sol. And a lot more of it than we have here because the Earth's atmosphere filters most the bad bad stuff the sun throws at us.

Fun fact: The sun isn't yellow. Sol is actually white. It looks yellow or orange to us because of a combination of the spectrum of radiation it's producing and our atmosphere. New drinking game, everytime Rifneno says "atmosphere", take a shot. Seriously, I've said that word like 45 times the past day or so.

[McGrzegorz]

JustAidan wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.

While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html

He'd still float SOMEWHERE he's clearly landed somewhere i.e some sort of planet (regardless of Earth) that impact would crush him (ME2 Jacob: your body was mush) - that would kill him just like in ME2, he wouldn't be able to breathe given he has no helmet (judging by ME2 and that was with a helmet) and he would be incinerated with his suit in the state it's in.

Correct I was addressing the "Space is cold" portion. Friction with an atmosphere produces the heat on reentry, this is why actual astronauts control the angle of their descent to reduce this effect and to spread this heat over their thermal plates. I think I say a pretty scary single person emergency reentry "parachute" for someone in a space suit somewhere awhile back.

Ooo, here is another nice space fact, very heavy object can be made to move veeerrrry slowwwwly, while these appear quite slow and easy to stop, at least if you where on earth which is our frame of reference=), the amount of inertia they have is huge.

So if you watch a space film and watch a villian being very very slowly crushed to death by a giant object you now know that this is entirely realistic =)

Let's be honest there is no way he can survive (unless in full spacesuit)... and don't forget so called solar wind...
but just for fun:

http://www.scientifi...tected-possible

[FrostByte-GER]

Good evening from germany guys. Any new big news?