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#21001
SanoBub

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McGrzegorz wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

The temparatures in empty space would kill him within seconds.
Even if he would be superman and could somehow fall down to earth (which he wouldn't by the way....he would just float away as he did in ME2 since there is no gravity) he would be a frozen ice block way before he reaches the earth.


While I am not contesting the indoctrination I wanted to clarify some facts.

Space is not cold. Removal of heat from an astronaut is a big problem.
Heat can be lost by conduction, convection and radiation. Lacking contact with anything else or air to transfer heat the only way to lose is through radiative loss. (This is what you would see with thermal imaging goggles)

Hence, if you where exposed to space it would feel like room temperature to you until you started heating up from trapped heat from the metabolic processes going in your body.

Extra:
Provided that you exhale you likely wouldn't damage your lungs ftoo much, though your chances of survival decrease rapidly with time as nitrogen bubbles start to form in you blood from the pressure decrease. A full rundown can be found here: http://imagine.gsfc....ers/970603.html


He'd still float SOMEWHERE he's clearly landed somewhere i.e some sort of planet (regardless of Earth) that impact would crush him (ME2 Jacob: your body was mush) - that would kill him just like in ME2, he wouldn't be able to breathe given he has no helmet (judging by ME2 and that was with a helmet) and he would be incinerated with his suit in the state it's in.


Correct I was addressing the "Space is cold" portion. Friction with an atmosphere produces the heat on reentry, this is why actual astronauts control the angle of their descent to reduce this effect and to spread this heat over their thermal plates. I think I say a pretty scary single person emergency reentry "parachute" for someone in a space suit somewhere awhile back.

Ooo, here is another nice space fact, very heavy object can be made to move veeerrrry slowwwwly, while these appear quite slow and easy to stop, at least if you where on earth which is our frame of reference=), the amount of inertia they have is huge.

So if you watch a space film and watch a villian being very very slowly crushed to death by a giant object you now know that this is entirely realistic =)


Let's be honest there is no way he can survive ;) (unless in full spacesuit)... and don't forget so called solar wind...
but just for fun:

http://www.scientifi...tected-possible

Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that :)
He would never survive and he would probably never end up on earth again.

That's why I think the last breath scene is still the biggest evidence for IT.
It simply can't be explained another way (except for really, REALLY bad writing).
At least I can't think of something else.

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Good evening from germany guys. Any new big news?

We want little blue babies.. but besides that? Not really.

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SanoBub wrote...

Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that :)
He would never survive and he would probably never end up on earth again.

That's why I think the last breath scene is still the biggest evidence for IT.
It simply can't be explained another way (except for really, REALLY bad writing).
At least I can't think of something else.


You'd think so, wouldn't you?  Just a few pages back we had some guy arguing that Shepard could've survived the Citadel exploding then fallen all the way to Earth and lived.  Seriously.

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greywardencommander wrote...

My apologies I didn't read what you were replying to thus i assumed it was your reasons against indoctrination because he could survive in space or something lol


No worries, figured that was what you meant.

And since I hate having only a small portion of a post here is another fact:

Fahrenheit is a silly temperature scale. Celius can be referenced to abo****e zero and uses the same units as Kevlin (the scientific temperature scale), that is where molecule motion stops, air falls to the ground, needs to reached with lasers to slow molecules down. Fahrenheit is based in part on the internal body temperature of organisms like us. In order to calibrate their thermometers scientists in the early days used the inside of the..err...rump ¬_¬ of a healthly bull as a reference point.

Btw the it is LASER not LAZER.
It's Light Assisted Stimulation of Emitted Radiation :P

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Rifneno wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that :)
He would never survive and he would probably never end up on earth again.

That's why I think the last breath scene is still the biggest evidence for IT.
It simply can't be explained another way (except for really, REALLY bad writing).
At least I can't think of something else.


You'd think so, wouldn't you?  Just a few pages back we had some guy arguing that Shepard could've survived the Citadel exploding then fallen all the way to Earth and lived.  Seriously.


Yeah I saw him... It was like... "Seriously?" :mellow:

;)

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Joker: So you went into the Geth Consensus? Like virtual reality?
Shepard: Yeah, it was strange, but I made it out ok.
Joker: But did you really?
Shepard: What do you mean?
Joker: Think about it commander, if the Geth see everything as virtual reality, maybe even this is virtual reality, and you just THINK you made it out

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Even if the IT was not in BW plans, i think that they are working on it for a DLC because its too damn good to be discarted...

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Rifneno wrote...

Makatak wrote...

Guys, the one big gaping hole in Indoctrination Theory is simple:

Bioware didn't write it. It's fanfiction. You all are subscribing to someone who should probably be demanding royalties (were it allowed in the ToS of this forum).


Oh goodie, another one who thinks all this stuff is just a coincidence.  Things like Shepard's eyes turning to what we know for a fact to be early indoctrinated eyes, just happened by ACCIDENT.  BW didn't plan it, heavens no! :pinched:

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Don't you have a game to return to amazon or something?


Oh snap.

greywardencommander wrote...

Here's your new endings, it has Shepard, Hawke, the Warden, Garrus, Tali, Varric...wait you don't believe us??? What does the date matter?


That would still make more sense than any other game involving Hawke and Varric.

Rksmithers wrote...

its BOWL CRAP!


Err... :?

Absurdest Derivative wrote...

Keepers' doing, probably.


The Keepers are organic too. Indoctrinated to the point of being completely mindless, but organic nonetheless.

lex0r11 wrote...

Where you got that from? It is said that in empty space, the temperature is -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit.


Probably, if you aren't near any stars. But we're talking about right outside of Earth so it'd still have the heat from Sol. And a lot more of it than we have here because the Earth's atmosphere filters most the bad bad stuff the sun throws at us.

Fun fact: The sun isn't yellow. Sol is actually white. It looks yellow or orange to us because of a combination of the spectrum of radiation it's producing and our atmosphere. New drinking game, everytime Rifneno says "atmosphere", take a shot. Seriously, I've said that word like 45 times the past day or so.


I'm offended given I've posted up a load of stuff about why indoctrination is/could be true including in my signature an entire thread about how it could work in the DLC even controlling an indoctrinated Shepard so that your final choice decision matters...

my post about Hawke etc was to do with someone saying about April 1st so I made a joke about what the new endings would be someone saying ON April Fools day... 

#21009
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Asharad Hett wrote...

Joker: So you went into the Geth Consensus? Like virtual reality?
Shepard: Yeah, it was strange, but I made it out ok.
Joker: But did you really?
Shepard: What do you mean?
Joker: Think about it commander, if the Geth see everything as virtual reality, maybe even this is virtual reality, and you just THINK you made it out


Not sure if it was on this thread but I said that days ago, maybe that's the Illusion theory :P

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nyrocron wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Good evening from germany guys. Any new big news?

We want little blue babies.. but besides that? Not really.


Thats not really new though, since the post that started that discussion was quoting something I said way back on page 4 :D

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Rksmithers

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Rifneno wrote...

Makatak wrote...

Guys, the one big gaping hole in Indoctrination Theory is simple:

Bioware didn't write it. It's fanfiction. You all are subscribing to someone who should probably be demanding royalties (were it allowed in the ToS of this forum).


Oh goodie, another one who thinks all this stuff is just a coincidence.  Things like Shepard's eyes turning to what we know for a fact to be early indoctrinated eyes, just happened by ACCIDENT.  BW didn't plan it, heavens no! :pinched:

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Don't you have a game to return to amazon or something?


Oh snap.

greywardencommander wrote...

Here's your new endings, it has Shepard, Hawke, the Warden, Garrus, Tali, Varric...wait you don't believe us??? What does the date matter?


That would still make more sense than any other game involving Hawke and Varric.

Rksmithers wrote...

its BOWL CRAP!


Err... :?

Absurdest Derivative wrote...

Keepers' doing, probably.


The Keepers are organic too. Indoctrinated to the point of being completely mindless, but organic nonetheless.

lex0r11 wrote...

Where you got that from? It is said that in empty space, the temperature is -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit.


Probably, if you aren't near any stars. But we're talking about right outside of Earth so it'd still have the heat from Sol. And a lot more of it than we have here because the Earth's atmosphere filters most the bad bad stuff the sun throws at us.

Fun fact: The sun isn't yellow. Sol is actually white. It looks yellow or orange to us because of a combination of the spectrum of radiation it's producing and our atmosphere. New drinking game, everytime Rifneno says "atmosphere", take a shot. Seriously, I've said that word like 45 times the past day or so.


whoa whoa whao!!!! why is only part of my post on there!? am i being trolled or is that lagitimately all you found... i was talking about liara dieng, im on the IT side!

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Asharad Hett wrote...

Joker: So you went into the Geth Consensus? Like virtual reality?
Shepard: Yeah, it was strange, but I made it out ok.
Joker: But did you really?
Shepard: What do you mean?
Joker: Think about it commander, if the Geth see everything as virtual reality, maybe even this is virtual reality, and you just THINK you made it out


Yeah I think that is trying to get you thinking about if you can trust what you are actually seeing so that you are looking for clues... Of course by the time I got to the beam I was fully immersed and did not really keep my gaurd up.

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Erethrian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that :)
He would never survive and he would probably never end up on earth again.

That's why I think the last breath scene is still the biggest evidence for IT.
It simply can't be explained another way (except for really, REALLY bad writing).
At least I can't think of something else.


You'd think so, wouldn't you?  Just a few pages back we had some guy arguing that Shepard could've survived the Citadel exploding then fallen all the way to Earth and lived.  Seriously.


Yeah I saw him... It was like... "Seriously?" :mellow:

;)


Hmmm, so how he exactly survived the re-entry to the atmosphere (not mention about landing)?
EDIT: I really don't wanna know... ;)

Modifié par McGrzegorz, 23 mars 2012 - 07:10 .


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greywardencommander wrote...

Asharad Hett wrote...

Joker: So you went into the Geth Consensus? Like virtual reality?
Shepard: Yeah, it was strange, but I made it out ok.
Joker: But did you really?
Shepard: What do you mean?
Joker: Think about it commander, if the Geth see everything as virtual reality, maybe even this is virtual reality, and you just THINK you made it out


Not sure if it was on this thread but I said that days ago, maybe that's the Illusion theory :P


From way back on page 67:

byne wrote...

I just did the mission where you go into the Geth Consensus and then went to talk to Joker afterwards.

Joker: So you went into the Geth Consensus? Like virtual reality?
Shepard: Yeah, it was strange, but I made it out ok.
Joker: But did you really?
Shepard: What do you mean?
Joker: Think
about it commander, if the Geth see everything as virtual reality,
maybe even this is virtual reality, and you just THINK you made it
out.


I know Joker is just screwing with Shepard, but its... intriguing


No one really cared when I brought it up though :?

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McGrzegorz wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that :)
He would never survive and he would probably never end up on earth again.

That's why I think the last breath scene is still the biggest evidence for IT.
It simply can't be explained another way (except for really, REALLY bad writing).
At least I can't think of something else.


You'd think so, wouldn't you?  Just a few pages back we had some guy arguing that Shepard could've survived the Citadel exploding then fallen all the way to Earth and lived.  Seriously.


Yeah I saw him... It was like... "Seriously?" :mellow:

;)


Hmmm, so how he exactly survived the re-entry to the atmosphere (not mention about landing)?
EDIT: I really don't wanna know... ;)


Space magic of course!  Just kidding, he said your suit could have protected you... the citadel could have protected you.... God was watching over us etc.

Also he said if people could survive the crash of the 
MSV Hugo Gernsback 
they could survive a citadel crash

Modifié par Denvian, 23 mars 2012 - 07:16 .


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RIfnino.. STOP PARAPHRASING PEOPLE! scares the hell out of me... if your going to quote me, quote the full post, dont be fox news...

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Rksmithers wrote...

[...] PEOPLE [...] scare the hell out of me... [...] quote me [...] be fox news...


I agree. People are scary. I have taken your advice and quoted you, just like Fox News!

Paraphrasing is fun.

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byne wrote...
No one really cared when I brought it up though :?


This thread you've started is faster than a speeding bullet.

I was editing my own post and suddenly it was two pages back.

Modifié par JustAidan, 23 mars 2012 - 07:17 .


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i dont know if anyone mentioned this but bioware has confirmed that the ending is going to change

http://games.yahoo.c...-194431568.html

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Rksmithers wrote...

RIfnino.. STOP the quote me, quote the fox news...


Just had to jump in.
Edit - crap, ninja'd by byne  ><

Modifié par Emperor_Ike, 23 mars 2012 - 07:18 .


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Emperor_Ike wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...

RIfnino.. STOP the quote me, quote the fox news...


Just had to jump in.
Edit - crap, ninja'd by byne  ><


:ph34r:

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AM94 wrote...

i dont know if anyone mentioned this but bioware has confirmed that the ending is going to change

http://games.yahoo.c...-194431568.html


Wrong!

"We are creating new content to clarify and add closure as per the request of many loyal fans! That's all."

-Straight from mass effect twitter a couple hours ago

Now that that is settled... Blue babies... Yes I agree

Modifié par Denvian, 23 mars 2012 - 07:34 .


#21023
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AM94 wrote...

i dont know if anyone mentioned this but bioware has confirmed that the ending is going to change

http://games.yahoo.c...-194431568.html


Nah, all the news sites are claiming that the endings are going to "change", nothing the post they reference says that, the post says they will "clarify".

Still amazing PR stunt. They knew from the whole book fiasco that their fans/patrons/customers are quite vocal and...well..nitpicky (analytical :P) to notice the indoctrination stuff.

I would very very very suprised if the IT stuff wasn't planned.

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Denvian wrote...

Now that that is settled... Blue babies... Yes I agree


My Shep made a promise. She keeps her promises.

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i thought the wait for march 6 was hard, but the wait for pax and word of a real ending is even worse.