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[Denvian]

JustAidan wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Guys be careful of getting your hopes up. This is still a theory and speculation.

Don't forget that until confirmed by bioware everything can also be explained by rushed bad writing

Unfortunately that's true though I sincerely hope this is what they planned (or claim to), non-conclusive argument against rushed/bad writing is that the rest of the game has such high-quality writing and attention to detail.

Honestly, if this was a court of law with the amount of evidence we have complied we could force a plea bargain.

Or at least get a warrant to search bioware's house

Modifié par Denvian, 23 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[phyreblade74]

mghjr6 wrote...

phyreblade74 wrote...

So I was considering the "emotional lines" thread, nearby, when I came across the lines Kolyat recited during Thane's death. One of them jumped out at me:

"Kalahira, this one's heart is pure, but beset by wickedness and contention....The Prayer was not for him, Commander. He has already asked forgiveness for the lives he has taken. His wish was for you."

"Beset" means "to attack, harrass, assail". Thane was praying to his goddess, that Shepard's soul was good but under attack. It just seemed interesting, that close to death, that's how Thane perceived his friend.

I loved everything about the Thane dialogue. Very true to character. Might be a touch to deep to dig, assuming Thane would see that Shep was being indoctrinated.

This is a fun thread to follow, but man it goes fast once it gets going.

I'm not sure that Thane would've perceived Shepard was being indoctrinated.  I originally took it, more, as Thane perceiving Shepard as wearying, growing tired and downtrodden.  But it occurred to me the wording is unusual.  It's interesting, that Thane would say that Shepard's weariness is something inflicted upon him yet he remains unspoiled, good.  It's as if Thane sees something coming from outside to threaten Shepard but Shepard is remaining strong and unbroken at that point.

The prayer comes off as a warning, somehow.

[Stigweird85]

I need to stop accessing this forum at work, turns out trying to follow and make logical posts is quite difficult when you have to hide from your manager every 2 minutes

Just to clarify a few things, I think the IT is the best theory out there at the moment and will assume it to be true unless proven otherwise.

I won't re-edit my posts(as there are two many and probably won't be read again anyway) but I wanted to clarify that.

Sorry if my rushed hidden typing made little sense-> It sounded right in my head

[phyreblade74]

bigstig wrote...

I need to stop accessing this forum at work, turns out trying to follow and make logical posts is quite difficult when you have to hide from your manager every 2 minutes

Just to clarify a few things, I think the IT is the best theory out there at the moment and will assume it to be true unless proven otherwise.

I won't re-edit my posts(as there are two many and probably won't be read again anyway) but I wanted to clarify that.

Sorry if my rushed hidden typing made little sense-> It sounded right in my head

Hehe, I turned my computer screen away from the door so my boss couldn't see what I was doing when he walked in.

[Hacedor1566]

I'm sure, this is close to Bioware's idea of the "new ending"

[Stigweird85]

Hacedor1566 wrote...



I'm sure, this is close to Bioware's idea of the "new ending"

Now that is proof of the IT -> It's all a dream and Shep wakes up back on Eden Prime after the first beacon hit hime.

Seriously though that Beacon on Eden Prime could have done anything to Shep's biology. It was never designed for a human. So who knows 

[JamieCOTC]

What if the ending is both real and imagined at the same time? In other words the battle of wits between Shep and the Reapers is happening all in Shepard's mind, but the crucible and Shep's own being (Prothean cypher, half machine, etc) allows her to affect the physical world and destroy the Reapers.

[Denvian]

Bioware's response to IT

http://youtu.be/QTQfGd3G6dg?t=4m52s

[Stigweird85]

JamieCOTC wrote...

What if the ending is both real and imagined at the same time? In other words the battle of wits between Shep and the Reapers is happening all in Shepard's mind, but the crucible and Shep's own being (Prothean cypher, half machine, etc) allows her to affect the physical world and destroy the Reapers.

Possible but waaay to much like the Matrix where Agent Smith entered the real world and Neo still had powers, I would be more that a little disappointed if they tried that

[Denvian]

bigstig wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

What if the ending is both real and imagined at the same time? In other words the battle of wits between Shep and the Reapers is happening all in Shepard's mind, but the crucible and Shep's own being (Prothean cypher, half machine, etc) allows her to affect the physical world and destroy the Reapers.

Possible but waaay to much like the Matrix where Agent Smith entered the real world and Neo still had powers, I would be more that a little disappointed if they tried that

Possibly but that would mean I would not get my Harby showdown.  Plus I am not sure the Breathing scene supports this.... But it could

[Rifneno]

Rksmithers wrote...

RIfnino.. STOP PARAPHRASING PEOPLE! scares the hell out of me... if your going to quote me, quote the full post, dont be fox news...

1) I'm not paraphrasing.  I'm snipping.  Paraphrasing means using your own words to convey what you perceived as the intent of a message.
2) No.  If I quoted a 5 paragraph post to reply to a few sentences, it'd be wastefully clogging up forum space (or rather, space on everyone's pages).  That's just terrible etiquette.  I've seen people chewed out countless times for doing that.  You're the first person I've ever seen complain about snipped quotes.
3) In reply to your comment earlier about me making it look like you were anti-IT, apologies, that wasn't my intention.  I was just joking about the "bull crap"/"bowl crap" thing.  Bad back, too much vicodin makes things funny that shouldn't be funny.  Hehe.
4) Kudos on the Fake News jab though. 

phyreblade74 wrote...

So I was considering the "emotional lines" thread, nearby, when I came across the lines Kolyat recited during Thane's death. One of them jumped out at me:

"Kalahira, this one's heart is pure, but beset by wickedness and contention....The Prayer was not for him, Commander. He has already asked forgiveness for the lives he has taken. His wish was for you."

"Beset" means "to attack, harrass, assail". Thane was praying to his goddess, that Shepard's soul was good but under attack. It just seemed interesting, that close to death, that's how Thane perceived his friend.

Wow.  I can't believe I didn't notice that might've been an IT hint.  I thought after that scene it was silly for them to have Thane give a prayer like that without checking Shepard's reputation since my Shepard goes 99% paragon (generally just not when it's lawful-stupid).

[P47 ace]

Denvian wrote...

Bioware's response to IT

http://youtu.be/QTQfGd3G6dg?t=4m52s

ROFLOL
"IT IT IT IT IT"

[Stigweird85]

You could also argue that as all your crew-mates keep asking you at various stages of the game if you are okay as evidence that something bigger is at work.

Or you could just take it that as you are essentially the first, last and only line of defence against the reaper threat that the burden was quite intense and your friends were concerned about you.

[byne]

bigstig wrote...

You could also argue that as all your crew-mates keep asking you at various stages of the game if you are okay as evidence that something bigger is at work.

Or you could just take it that as you are essentially the first, last and only line of defence against the reaper threat that the burden was quite intense and your friends were concerned about you.

For some reason i find this conversation to be really interesting.

Joker, Anderson, and EDI all seem to notice something really seems wrong with Shepard.

[Rob Psyence]

Just a small thing I wanted to bring up about the destroy option, but notice that you must break the power conduit. It's obvious to me that the breaking of it is symbolic of "breaking free." Why have that symbolic action if you weren't breaking free of something. Thoughts?

[monrapias]

The gun you have at the very start of the game is also a God mode gun, It stops being a god mode gun when you get to the place where the husk are climbing up the wall though. but at the very start when anderson gives you the gun, you can fire as much as you like.

[Denvian]

byne wrote...

bigstig wrote...

You could also argue that as all your crew-mates keep asking you at various stages of the game if you are okay as evidence that something bigger is at work.

Or you could just take it that as you are essentially the first, last and only line of defence against the reaper threat that the burden was quite intense and your friends were concerned about you.

For some reason i find this conversation to be really interesting.

Joker, Anderson, and EDI all seem to notice something really seems wrong with Shepard.

"You like half robot at this point"

How did I miss that conversation! I totally missed out.

[Stigweird85]

byne wrote...

bigstig wrote...

You could also argue that as all your crew-mates keep asking you at various stages of the game if you are okay as evidence that something bigger is at work.

Or you could just take it that as you are essentially the first, last and only line of defence against the reaper threat that the burden was quite intense and your friends were concerned about you.

For some reason i find this conversation to be really interesting.

Joker, Anderson, and EDI all seem to notice something really seems wrong with Shepard.

Yes, that was one of the examples I was thinking, it could mean more or as I said(devil advocate, Your actions and decide the fate of  billions, I think it's safe to say you would feel more than a little pressure

[Stigweird85]

On a side note - can anyone explain this contradiction

Javilk talks about transferring thoughts into objects by touch etc, Liara says that must be a useful talent to have and she doesn't know of any species with similar abilities in this cycle. Yet time and time again you merge your mind with an Asari, Liara, Shiala, The Consort etc not only can they do it is a major plot point in Mass Effect 1.

It's a minor thing but I haven't seen it addressed elsewhere yet. I know it's revealed that the Javik's people nurtured the Asari to evolve so it makes sense they share some abilities but that conversation always felt out of place

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

bigstig wrote...

On a side note - can anyone explain this contradiction

Javilk talks about transferring thoughts into objects by touch etc, Liara says that must be a useful talent to have and she doesn't know of any species with similar abilities in this cycle. Yet time and time again you merge your mind with an Asari, Liara, Shiala, The Consort etc not only can they do it is a major plot point in Mass Effect 1.

It's a minor thing but I haven't seen it addressed elsewhere yet. I know it's revealed that the Javik's people nurtured the Asari to evolve so it makes sense they share some abilities but that conversation always felt out of place

Asari only share emotion and such from what I understand, while Protheans could share memories and thoughts not only to each other, but to and from objcets as well, a wildly different trait.

[nyrocron]

But we want to know now!

Modifié par nyrocron, 23 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Fun little thing i thought about.

Remember the conversation with Garrus on the Normandy right after he becomes a squadmate in ME3. Where he tells you he told his father everything that had happened and while there was no definitive proof his father could see that it all connected and believed him.

Aint that very similar to all that we have done here? Putting together all the pieces, but without conclusive evidence?

[Either.Ardrey]

bigstig wrote...

On a side note - can anyone explain this contradiction

Javilk talks about transferring thoughts into objects by touch etc, Liara says that must be a useful talent to have and she doesn't know of any species with similar abilities in this cycle. Yet time and time again you merge your mind with an Asari, Liara, Shiala, The Consort etc not only can they do it is a major plot point in Mass Effect 1.

It's a minor thing but I haven't seen it addressed elsewhere yet. I know it's revealed that the Javik's people nurtured the Asari to evolve so it makes sense they share some abilities but that conversation always felt out of place

I always felt the two abilities were completely different. Protheans can input memories into objects and read people through touch, while Asari can only mind meld with another organic being, becoming one mind for a short period of time.

But yes, I do see the Protheans heavy involvement with the Asari as grooming them to have as close to their ability as possible. Maybe they were just unable to finish and had to abandon it when the Reapers came?

[FellishBeast]

Just played through Arrival DLC again and noticed that from the message logs the people were SPECIFICALLY mentioning having weird dreams. Just a bit of info to counter people saying that indoctrination has never been shown to cause dreams. Yep. You're welcome.

[Stigweird85]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

On a side note - can anyone explain this contradiction

Javilk talks about transferring thoughts into objects by touch etc, Liara says that must be a useful talent to have and she doesn't know of any species with similar abilities in this cycle. Yet time and time again you merge your mind with an Asari, Liara, Shiala, The Consort etc not only can they do it is a major plot point in Mass Effect 1.

It's a minor thing but I haven't seen it addressed elsewhere yet. I know it's revealed that the Javik's people nurtured the Asari to evolve so it makes sense they share some abilities but that conversation always felt out of place

Asari only share emotion and such from what I understand, while Protheans could share memories and thoughts not only to each other, but to and from objcets as well, a wildly different trait.

If they just share emotion, then how did Benezia get the information from the rachni queen and then transfer said knowledge to you. Also connected would be how would Liara be able to see the images in your mind and identify ilos?

I trust Bioware, so I'm sure it would be some sort of technical difference i.e. Protheans can transfers skills and memories into objects like the memory shard. Whereas the asari can only(for want of a better term) Vulcan mind meld



Great mind think alike then, no sooner had I typed that I spotted someone had beaten me to the punch

Modifié par bigstig, 23 mars 2012 - 09:40 .