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[squee365]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

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errr... what deleted scene?

[Redbelle]

If game companies plan on starting giving us games, then giving us additional content integral to the game in the manner that we think BW may be doing with Mass Effect, can I suggest that they don't.

If I bought a car, only to find out the salesman would then maybe sell me the car keys a week or two later........

Or imagine if Michaelangelo had finished 95% of the Sistine chapel, gotten bored and decided to finish the last parts by throwing paint! Still a great painting but the last touches that weren't put on with the same level of care and dedication mar the piece as a whole

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Jillers]

SirLugash wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Probably, it not novelty, but:


At the left Shep, whom we see in a red ending and a strange tube in his space suit, and on the right the same tube conducting in Rahni eggs, for that those started to submit to Reapers. The picture at the left is shown specially up, that it would be visible better.

Probably just reused assets.

You can't deny that they look fairly similar (eve if the right picture's quality isn't that good).
I think they are also found on the Citadel (saw a video showing it).
But considering the Citadel is Reaper tech as well as the Conduit, it could be from from the Conduit site (especially because it is obviously concrete).
Anyways, this has to be considered.

Still looks like rebar to me

[comrade gando]

But whoa, I just had an idea. What if: ok the ending WAS indoctrination, shepard snaps out of it, gets to the beam. He has to make his way through the citadel to get to the catalyst, however Harbinger's influence is even stronger in the citadel. The player has to navigate an injured shepard (though not as slow moving) through warped corridors and rooms, inspired by past traumatic experiences in ME1 and ME2 (subtle of course), magnified by Harbinger's maddening indoctrination attempts. Ever played the original Max Payne? Remember the nightmare sequences? Similar to that I suppose. He has to confront the ghosts of his past of allies he couldn't save, and enemies that just won't fade from his memory (such as saren). He might re-live past sequences throughout the entire series, but with Harbinger's own sick twist to each one. He may have to battle ghostly doppelgangers of lost squadmates, and make the hardest decisions in the form of dialogue, but the player's choices rarely play out as they plan, since Harbinger always comes up with a unique way to twist the player's choice into something they do not want. Perhaps shepard's eyes can glow yellow (assuming direct control) during these sequences, as shepard makes his way through the deranged citadel as well as the vast abyss in the darkest depths of his mind. Upon completing the trip through the citadel, shepard gets to the catalyst (no child since harby already tried that), and this is where there has to the that twist bioware compared to "Luke, I am your father". Shepard has the final showdown against Harbinger (standard end game boss fight) and....ah I'm just pulling stuff out of nowhere really. I'm not sure how TIM is going to fit in to all of this but hey, sounds like a neat idea. What do you think?

[Redbelle]

Looks like a Rebar?..... A Reap-bar..... <gasp> A Reaper! Sheps still in a dream and he's trying to tell us something!

[XXIceColdXX]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

Yes it could be a false ending, but also a bold and unprecedented tactic (if IT is correct). We dont have any more Mass Effect coming for a long time after ME3 settles down, if this was planned and drags out my ME3 experience a bit longer, im all for it. 

[Redbelle]

comrade gando wrote...

But whoa, I just had an idea. What if: ok the ending WAS indoctrination, shepard snaps out of it, gets to the beam. He has to make his way through the citadel to get to the catalyst, however Harbinger's influence is even stronger in the citadel. The player has to navigate an injured shepard (though not as slow moving) through warped corridors and rooms, inspired by past traumatic experiences in ME1 and ME2 (subtle of course), magnified by Harbinger's maddening indoctrination attempts. Ever played the original Max Payne? Remember the nightmare sequences? Similar to that I suppose. He has to confront the ghosts of his past of allies he couldn't save, and enemies that just won't fade from his memory (such as saren). He might re-live past sequences throughout the entire series, but with Harbinger's own sick twist to each one. He may have to battle ghostly doppelgangers of lost squadmates, and make the hardest decisions in the form of dialogue, but the player's choices rarely play out as they plan, since Harbinger always comes up with a unique way to twist the player's choice into something they do not want. Perhaps shepard's eyes can glow yellow (assuming direct control) during these sequences, as shepard makes his way through the deranged citadel as well as the vast abyss in the darkest depths of his mind. Upon completing the trip through the citadel, shepard gets to the catalyst (no child since harby already tried that), and this is where there has to the that twist bioware compared to "Luke, I am your father". Shepard has the final showdown against Harbinger (standard end game boss fight) and....ah I'm just pulling stuff out of nowhere really. I'm not sure how TIM is going to fit in to all of this but hey, sounds like a neat idea. What do you think?

Well the level in MGS 3 Snake Eater where you have to walk down a river dodging all the souls of the people you killed made me go back and change how I approached the game. Good concept! Smart idea.

[Cucobr]

bigstig wrote...

Well Gamesradar now have an article saying how bad it would be if Bioware change a product due to fan feedback.

Although when you start your argumen:t

 I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment

The article was made by a child.
Do they know the meaning of shame?

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Guys, my support is wavering, bring me your evidence before i convert!

[Redbelle]

Cucobr wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Well Gamesradar now have an article saying how bad it would be if Bioware change a product due to fan feedback.

Although when you start your argumen:t

 I don’t know what the ending of Mass Effect 3 entails, and I don’t care. I haven’t even played Mass Effect 3 yet. Hell, I’m still working through the first one at the moment

The article was made by a child.
Do they know the meaning of shame?

With so many opinion's on what to do with the ending some magazine website had to cater to the artist integrity argument.

If they can explain the ending to me and sort out all the plot holes I'll glady jump on board. Till then

Holding the Line

[XXIceColdXX]

squee365 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

'



errr... what deleted scene?

This deleted scene, your 2 squad mates getting torched by Harbinger

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 24 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[Cucobr]

squee365 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

'



errr... what deleted scene?

[MajorKellyRisner]

 The Indoctrination Theory, in the basic sense, is a load of bull. 

Heres my main concern on this Theory.

If Shepard is supposed to be "indoctrinated", how is it that Liara, Tali, and Garrus, along with many others that have spent time along with the Reapers, aren't hearing whispers or indoctrinated?

Since niether of Shepards squadmates and people that he/she has started hearing whispers and have gone insane, then it is clear that Shepard is not suffering the effects of Indoctrination.

[Crasher027]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

 The Indoctrination Theory, in the basic sense, is a load of bull. 

Heres my main concern on this Theory.

If Shepard is supposed to be "indoctrinated", how is it that Liara, Tali, and Garrus, along with many others that have spent time along with the Reapers, aren't hearing whispers or indoctrinated?

Since niether of Shepards squadmates and people that he/she has started hearing whispers and have gone insane, then it is clear that Shepard is not suffering the effects of Indoctrination.

James Vega: "Do you hear that hum?"

[RoyalGambit]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Guys, my support is wavering, bring me your evidence before i convert!

Just rewatch the YouTube videos. That should fix you right up.

[iwillkillfortali]

Crasher027 wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

 The Indoctrination Theory, in the basic sense, is a load of bull. 

Heres my main concern on this Theory.

If Shepard is supposed to be "indoctrinated", how is it that Liara, Tali, and Garrus, along with many others that have spent time along with the Reapers, aren't hearing whispers or indoctrinated?

Since niether of Shepards squadmates and people that he/she has started hearing whispers and have gone insane, then it is clear that Shepard is not suffering the effects of Indoctrination.

James Vega: "Do you hear that hum?"

Tali:How come I feel like someone is watching us?

[Redbelle]

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

 The Indoctrination Theory, in the basic sense, is a load of bull. 

Heres my main concern on this Theory.

If Shepard is supposed to be "indoctrinated", how is it that Liara, Tali, and Garrus, along with many others that have spent time along with the Reapers, aren't hearing whispers or indoctrinated?

Since niether of Shepards squadmates and people that he/she has started hearing whispers and have gone insane, then it is clear that Shepard is not suffering the effects of Indoctrination.

Good points. The other squad members, especially Garrus and Tali who have always been in the team should be hearing something. Though I'd point out that the game takes place from commander Shepard POV and if he's never mentioned headaches or voices I wonder why the other would.

Just for a chuckle becuase I dount it's relevant but you never know, Liara did complain of dizzyness in ME1 after she joined her mind with Sheps. Always put it down to the mind meld but now........

[RoyalGambit]

Crasher027 wrote...

MajorKellyRisner wrote...

 The Indoctrination Theory, in the basic sense, is a load of bull. 

Heres my main concern on this Theory.

If Shepard is supposed to be "indoctrinated", how is it that Liara, Tali, and Garrus, along with many others that have spent time along with the Reapers, aren't hearing whispers or indoctrinated?

Since niether of Shepards squadmates and people that he/she has started hearing whispers and have gone insane, then it is clear that Shepard is not suffering the effects of Indoctrination.

James Vega: "Do you hear that hum?"

Should also be noted that Shepard has been in direct contact with reaper artifact, unlike the rest of the crew. TIM's indoctrination started way back when he came into contact with the Arca monolith. Shepard was knocked out by the artifact during arrival. 

Modifié par RoyalGambit, 24 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[pattywagon]

squee365 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

'



errr... what deleted scene?

What he said! What deleted scene?

p.s.: I do believe the indoctrination theory has a lot of merit, but personally I'm displeased if that is true as it feels like the game is incomplete if this was plan all along. I would rather they delayed the game instead of having a false ending for a while until the real one is released.

[Redbelle]

pattywagon wrote...

squee365 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

'



errr... what deleted scene?

What he said! What deleted scene?

p.s.: I do believe the indoctrination theory has a lot of merit, but personally I'm displeased if that is true as it feels like the game is incomplete if this was plan all along. I would rather they delayed the game instead of having a false ending for a while until the real one is released.

Looked at the deleted scene link and..........

Shep tells his squad mates to go/leave before the conduit run......

huh.

Interesting that they cut out a scene taht provided the context for your sqaudmates absence

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[SharpVec]

I'm going crazy. I'm completely obsessed with all of this.

I've even started another playthrough.
Of ME1, that is. I've never played as female Shep before so that's what I'm going to do now. But I probably won't play too much until we hear from BioWare about the endings. This amazing trilogy just cannot end like this (pretty much kills the replay value for me). But if the IT is true, and this was all planned by BioWare, we might be in for an amazing finish to Shepard's story. I won't give up hope, that's for sure.

Modifié par SharpVec, 24 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Redbelle wrote...

pattywagon wrote...

squee365 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

'



errr... what deleted scene?

What he said! What deleted scene?

p.s.: I do believe the indoctrination theory has a lot of merit, but personally I'm displeased if that is true as it feels like the game is incomplete if this was plan all along. I would rather they delayed the game instead of having a false ending for a while until the real one is released.

Looked at the deleted scene link and..........

Shep tells his squad mates to go/leave before the conduit run......

huh.

Interesting that they cut out a scene taht provided the context for your sqaudmates absence

Then they are fried by harbingers laser.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 24 mars 2012 - 12:38 .

[Redbelle]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

pattywagon wrote...

squee365 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

After seeing the cut deleted cutscene , it's definitely indoctrination at work.The only reason I could think of to hold back that scene is because it would have ruin what they've tried to do.But this also means Bioware sold everyone a game with a false ending.

'



errr... what deleted scene?

What he said! What deleted scene?

p.s.: I do believe the indoctrination theory has a lot of merit, but personally I'm displeased if that is true as it feels like the game is incomplete if this was plan all along. I would rather they delayed the game instead of having a false ending for a while until the real one is released.

Looked at the deleted scene link and..........

Shep tells his squad mates to go/leave before the conduit run......

huh.

Interesting that they cut out a scene taht provided the context for your sqaudmates absence

Then they are fried by harbingers laser.

Well, the beam hit so close that surely their clothes would be in the same state as Sheps, yet 1 of them popped out of Normandy none the worse for wear. Must have had change of clothes and a shower while Joker was flying for his life

[FellishBeast]

I'm pretty sure I saw a pic of the Citadel that had cords that look exactly like the "rebar." Though I still think he's on earth at the end.