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[Denvian]

Rifneno wrote...

Well it certainly seems to be a popular "opinion" as I haven't heard of any western RPG being so popular they have full orchestra concerts (in the United States no less, not just Japan), getting played at the frickin' Olympics, hiring major pop stars and subsequently selling half a million CD singles with the song you used them for (followed by an award that was intended for "real" music)...  There's a reason that the OST for Mass Effect comes with the Collector's Edition and Final Fantasy prints a 4-disc set of theirs and successfully sells them for $50 a pop.  Quick question, what's the most well known and influential track in gaming music history?  If you said anything except "One Winged Angel", you're just plain wrong.

Look, I'm a big fan of wRPGs.  I wouldn't be here otherwise.  But saying jRPGs don't do music better is just lol.  It's not a bad thing to admit there's one area where "the other side" does better. 

I knew I should have let that one go... Not becuase I think you are right but because this is not really the place for this argument and it will quickly become a lengthy back in forth if we do.

I'll just say tuche and put my sword away... for now.

Modifié par Denvian, 24 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[JustAidan]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

My new opinion on the endings:

Indoctrination Theory was never planned. I bet some developer threw this stuff in to help save themselves. The ending was either really rushed, or they just didn't give a s***. I have seen enough evidence of where the ending came from, and they just stole some ideas and mixed it together. It's not art, nor their artistic integrity or whatever. They plainly ran out of time and said, "F*** it, let's just do whatever and hope it works.

Dev notes show that they did plan Indoctrination as a gameplay mechanic at the end but said the in-game mechanic was too hard to implement.

"In-game mechanic"

[Denvian]

Tr0n01d wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Denvian wrote...

This is a matter of
opinion...  I think that the music choices in Mass Effect was really
strong and I think jRPGs music is really corny... I am not saying that I would
actually listen to the soundtrack on its own but I think the music strongly
compliments what is happening in the game.

Well it certainly seems to be a popular "opinion" as I haven't heard of any western RPG being so popular they have full orchestra concerts (in the United States no less, not just Japan), getting played at the frickin' Olympics, hiring major pop stars and subsequently selling half a million CD singles with the song you used them for (followed by an award that was intended for "real" music)...  There's a reason that the OST for Mass Effect comes with the Collector's Edition and Final Fantasy prints a 4-disc set of theirs and successfully sells them for $50 a pop.  Quick question, what's the most well known and influential track in gaming music history?  If you said anything except "One Winged Angel", you're just plain wrong.

Look, I'm a big fan of wRPGs.  I wouldn't be here otherwise.  But saying jRPGs don't do music better is just lol.  It's not a bad thing to admit there's one area where "the other side" does better.

I beg to differ, the most influential and known track in vg history is :



followed by :



sorry mate but i've never heard of "one winged angel"

Don't do it man!!! your poking the nerd bears!

p.s.

Funny that was actually the one that hit my mind first too and it made me laugh.

Modifié par Denvian, 24 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[lex0r11]

Europe here, anything new?

Wake up Shepard, and hold the line.

[celozzip]

videos like that are so compelling though. it's really the only thing that makes sense, even down to reasons why the blue/red are reversed at the end. it really fits and if that was the true intention then it's a great ending, i don't see it as botched like lost or bsg was. they just didn't execute it well enough, since there's no proper epilogue where shep wakes up and anderson/hackett are there saying 'hey you did it shepherd, but how?? you were knocked out on the steets of london the whole time!!' something like that to reinforce the inception-dream-world concept.

[UrgentArchengel]

JustAidan wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

My new opinion on the endings:

Indoctrination Theory was never planned. I bet some developer threw this stuff in to help save themselves. The ending was either really rushed, or they just didn't give a s***. I have seen enough evidence of where the ending came from, and they just stole some ideas and mixed it together. It's not art, nor their artistic integrity or whatever. They plainly ran out of time and said, "F*** it, let's just do whatever and hope it works.

Dev notes show that they did plan Indoctrination as a gameplay mechanic at the end but said the in-game mechanic was too hard to implement.

"In-game mechanic"

Speculation!

[Denvian]

celozzip wrote...



videos like that are so compelling though. it's really the only thing that makes sense, even down to reasons why the blue/red are reversed at the end. it really fits and if that was the true intention then it's a great ending, i don't see it as botched like lost or bsg was. they just didn't execute it well enough, since there's no proper epilogue where shep wakes up and anderson/hackett are there saying 'hey you did it shepherd, but how?? you were knocked out on the steets of london the whole time!!' something like that to reinforce the inception-dream-world concept.

I was really impressed with the quality of the video the first time I saw it.  I like how they stayed with most of the bigger points and did not focus on some of the more nit picky arguments.  

[Redbelle]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

My new opinion on the endings:

Indoctrination Theory was never planned. I bet some developer threw this stuff in to help save themselves. The ending was either really rushed, or they just didn't give a s***. I have seen enough evidence of where the ending came from, and they just stole some ideas and mixed it together. It's not art, nor their artistic integrity or whatever. They plainly ran out of time and said, "F*** it, let's just do whatever and hope it works.

Dev notes show that they did plan Indoctrination as a gameplay mechanic at the end but said the in-game mechanic was too hard to implement.

"In-game mechanic"

Speculation!

I read that ME3 was originally slated for release in 2011 but that it was delayed to implement new changes and give the players a better quality experience. Everything from the last 10mins was brilliant, maybe a few minor tweaks or additions would have improved it but the core of the game imo is solid. So why does the last 10 mins feel so disconnected from everything that has come before it? Perhaps it's the role Shepard plays. At the end s/he is no longer acting in the capacity of a soldier. Just a broken puppet who has lost their Vaa Vaa Shep-oom. Shepard has a personality that would not sit back and let the man, or god child in this case, stick it to him.


Assuming this was not an attempt to make the last 10 mins a flase ending, maybe they should have delayed longer, though that would mean recognising the ending was bad. What is so fundamental broken in the process of making a game that the ending was not subjected to quality control?

I really hope they have something to pull out of there hat at the end of this. When I compare the ME as a series I've spotted core game mechanics from ME1 becoming dlc's for the following games. The Mako and firewalker Hammerhead being an obvious example. Maybe in the effort to bring better quality to our screens they ran out of time to implement original game mechanics from ME1 to ME2 and from ME2 to ME3 the problem has manifested in the story line proper.

Holding the line...... but BW needs to make sure theres a line to hold.

[Denvian]

Angry Joe's Analysis of IT

Modifié par Denvian, 24 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[Redbelle]

Since Shep is such a boss it was only a matter of time till he found out what the developers had in store for him. His reaction is priceless.



Thank you fan community! You have made living through the endings easier with your luv of mass effect as a whole.

[NoSpin]

1. Single player DLC was planned from the start, post ending or not.
2. Bioware basically holds up a "Sequel/Post Credits DLC is Coming!!" sign TWICE during the ending, when Shepard breathes and Buzz Aldrin promises one more story.

I mean are gamers/the media really being this ignorant? It doesn't set a dangerous precedent for games when it seems that this extra DLC has been in Bioware's head since the beginning. Those asking for a new ending are wrong, but those asking for clarification are perfectly right. And it seems Bioware KNEW that's what we would want.

[Denvian]

NoSpin wrote...

1. Single player DLC was planned from the start, post ending or not.
2. Bioware basically holds up a "Sequel/Post Credits DLC is Coming!!" sign TWICE during the ending, when Shepard breathes and Buzz Aldrin promises one more story.

I mean are gamers/the media really being this ignorant? It doesn't set a dangerous precedent for games when it seems that this extra DLC has been in Bioware's head since the beginning. Those asking for a new ending are wrong, but those asking for clarification are perfectly right. And it seems Bioware KNEW that's what we would want.

I am pretty sure they did not know that the community would be this militant about it.... I mean this set
new standards for nerd rage.

Modifié par Denvian, 24 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[Beti88]

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

Except noone has said even one word about price yet. We have no idea what the DLC will actually contain or what it is about or even if it will cost money.

I completely agree that taking money for endgame dlc would be really bad, but until such a thing is announced do not jump to conclusions.

[Redbelle]

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

The only model I can think of for paying again and again is the older MMOPG subscription model before F2P started becoming popular.

Angry Joe's has pointed out that the Prince of Persia had a re-written ending sold to it's it's fans but that story passed me by. Mass Effect fans have blown this story into news media outlets. Assuming Mass Effect fans are larger in number and have a more invested emotional attachment than PoP fans perhaps BW are treading virgin territory they thought they had a road map too...... only to find the road was scattered with landmines.

That said in original ME wasn't there a free DLC given out

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[VainF]

if this theory is actually correct:
Bioware = Ultimate trolls

[Zylenn]

Redbelle wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

The only model I can think of for paying again and again is the older MMOPG subscription model before F2P started becoming popular.

Angry Joe's has pointed out that the Prince of Persia had a re-written ending sold to it's it's fans but that story passed me by. Mass Effect fans have blown this story into news media outlets. Assuming Mass Effect fans are larger in number and have a more invested emotional attachment than PoP fans perhaps BW are treading virgin territory they thought they had a road map too...... only to find the road was scattered with landmines.

That said in original ME wasn't there a free DLC given out

There was the DLC with the asteroid above Terra Nova. And if I remember correctly it was free. Think its name was 'Bring Down the Sky'.

[Rifneno]

Tr0n01d wrote...

I beg to differ, the most influential and known track in vg history is :



followed by :



sorry mate but i've never heard of "one winged angel"

You want to talk about VGM and you don't know what One Winged Angel is? After this, can we get some Amish folks to talk about muscle cars?
One Winged Angel is the gaming equivalent to O Fortuna, the lyrics even being sniplets from Carmina Burana's works. If you don't know what O Fortuna is... well, I don't know what to tell you. We went from the sad, sad MIDI music of the SNES/Genesis era to the age of optical media allowing real recorded pieces. OWA was FF7's final boss music taking full advantage with an orchestra and a chorus of ominous Latin chanting. All the games now full of ominous Latin chanting to convey a mood? They made it cliched by trying to recreate the moment games across the world were soiling themselves as OWA reached peak foreboding as they saw Sol go supernova. ... Yeah, kind of beats the 10 kilobytes of MIDI as people fought turtles.

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

If I pay, will people stop (female mabari)ing about the price of something that hasn't been given a price? No? Nevermind then.

Redbelle wrote...

That said in original ME wasn't there a free DLC given out

ME1 was 5 years ago. I haven't gotten them all, but every BW game I've bought since then has had free DLC.

[Stigweird85]

The community has over reacted as whole. While there are some arguments about it being a bad or a good ending(I'm on the latter end of thinking) a lot of the posters here on the BSN seem to be a little immature for me. They add nothing to the argument other than Bioware sux, I aint going to buy another Bioware/EA game.

It is that type of person that makes us all look bad. This seems to be the only thread that hasn't devolved into a mindless argument.

I support the idea of IT and as my signature below shows I trust Bioware on this one,  they produced more Mass Effect stuff and I'll continue to buy for as long as I enjoy it.

Hell if at Pax they announce Mass Effect 4 I'll place my pre-order THAT day


I should add to avoid any confusion, this isn't aimed at anyone in particular just the people that keep yelling we are in the majority etc... Which is actually a small percentage

The vast majoirty of posters have been civilised and open to debate. However the squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say

Modifié par bigstig, 24 mars 2012 - 02:44 .

[Beti88]

Zylenn wrote...

There was the DLC with the asteroid above Terra Nova. And if I remember correctly it was free. Think its name was 'Bring Down the Sky'.

Was it in any way related or connected to a fan outcry and media ****storm? NO
Did it had anything to do with the game's "ending"? NO

I just don't see how could BdtS have anything to do with the current situation.

[Terran235]

because eating **** sandwich and not complaining makes you so mature? No matter what the argument, it's a ****ty lazy ending. Mr high horse please gives us your take. You say fans have nothing to add. Why dont you add something? Counter it, make this interesting.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Beti88 wrote...

Zylenn wrote...

There was the DLC with the asteroid above Terra Nova. And if I remember correctly it was free. Think its name was 'Bring Down the Sky'.

Was it in any way related or connected to a fan outcry and media ****storm? NO
Did it had anything to do with the game's "ending"? NO

I just don't see how could BdtS have anything to do with the current situation.

Oh, oh I know that game  My turn...lets see...

Does complaining about paying for DLC have anything to do with the current situation where we dont know what the DLC will be or if it will be priced? Guess the answer

[nyrocron]

Beti88 wrote...

Zylenn wrote...

There was the DLC with the asteroid above Terra Nova. And if I remember correctly it was free. Think its name was 'Bring Down the Sky'.

Was it in any way related or connected to a fan outcry and media ****storm? NO
Did it had anything to do with the game's "ending"? NO

I just don't see how could BdtS have anything to do with the current situation.

It shows that DLC can very well be free.

[Redbelle]

bigstig wrote...

The community has over reacted as whole. While there are some arguments about it being a bad or a good ending(I'm on the latter end of thinking) a lot of the posters here on the BSN seem to be a little immature for me. They add nothing to the argument other than Bioware sux, I aint going to buy another Bioware/EA game.

It is that type of person that gives makes us all look bad

I support the idea of IT and as my signature below shows I trust Bioware on this one,  they produced more Mass Effect stuff and I'll continue to buy for as long as I enjoy it.

Since BW are the owners of the intellectual property and control what is and is not canon I think the intial outburst was justified...... the rage and frustration could have been toned down but when someone who has that much anger in them erupts you either let it burn out or try and contain it. I can't see how anyone could have contained the thousands of individuals who came together and found their single player experience at the end was mirrored by so many.

when I sat down to ME I thought I had the full game infront of me and prepared myself for an experience like the other mass effects. Ok, so we have established that it is possible we may recieve additional content. But it's taken a week, alot of BW hinting without coming out with a defintive answer and alot of fan speculation to reach the the tentative consensus whereby we can say BW might not have taken away the resolution to the most impressive, mainstream and emmersive space opera RPG that has been created.

that's alot of uncertainty in an industry where game companies gain consumer support based on confidence in their product. I don't think BW suck, I think that if BW are transitioning their fan base to expect games to be delivered in a new and innovative way they should lay the groundwork to help us accept their new direction. Otherwise it's like sneaking up on a sun bather and throwing a bucket of cold water over them.

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[Wounded_Wolf]

Has anyone else noticed how overtly suicidal the control and synthesis endings are? I mean let's be honest:

In the control ending, you essentially walk up to something and electricute yourself. Your skin...disintegrates, and your eyes take on the bright blue glow of a husk/TIM/Saren. And in the synthesis ending you throw yourself into a beam of light/energy/whatever and the same thing happens. And in both cases that creepy catalyst kid just stands there watching you (like it's pleased)

But in the destroy ending Shepard's body language is one of resolve/defiance and as soon as you start shooting catalyst kid vanishes. Also, I swear with each shot fired there is also an animal-like sound like something grunting/growling in pain or anger.

There's definitely a 'things are'nt what they seem' theme going on in that last 10 mins