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[Rifneno]

Beti88 wrote...

Was it in any way related or connected to a fan outcry and media ****storm? NO
Did it had anything to do with the game's "ending"? NO

I just don't see how could BdtS have anything to do with the current situation.

Is there any evidence it'll cost money?  NO
Do you even try to make a decent argument?  NO
Are you just looking for a place to scream and complain?  YES

[Stigweird85]

@Redbelle

What you say makes sense, the problem is the anger isn't burning out, as more and more people either complete the game or just step in to add their 2 cents regardless of their involvement. The only people that seem to be taking a step back are the more level headed fans who even if they were angry to begin with have taken a step back and are awaiting what comes next.

In all this I really feel sorry for the people who made the game, we may have been waiting on it for a long time but they have been working on it even longer, I can only imagine what it feels like to have your baby essentially torn to shreds in public domain.

I was trying to go around the various threads here at BSN and be an active member of the community but so few people seem willing to step back from their anger. My biggest fear at the moment is that somebody somewhere is doing the sums and is about to pull a trigger on the franchise which I have spent hundreds of hours and hundreds of pounds immersing myself in all because some people just wouldn't let it go.

Modifié par bigstig, 24 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[Stigweird85]

@Wounded_Wolf

Yes someone has made that comparison before, they use it as an argument to support the IT.

i.e. The suicidal endings as you put it represent Shepard giving into indoctrination

[N7L4D]

bigstig wrote...

@Redbelle

What you say makes sense, the problem is the anger is burning out, as more and more people either complete the game or just step in to add their 2 cents regardless of their involvement. The only people that seem to be taking a step back are the more level headed fans who even if they were angry to begin with have taken a step back and are awaiting what comes next.

In all this I really feel sorry for the people who made the game, we may have been waiting on it for a long time but they have been working on it even longer, I can only imagine what it feels like to have your baby essentially torn to shreds in public domain.

I was trying to go around the various threads here at BSN and be an active member of the community but so few people seem willing to step back from their anger. My biggest fear at the moment is that somebody somewhere is doing the sums and is about to pull a trigger on the franchise which I have spent hundreds of hours and hundreds of pounds immersing myself in all because some people just wouldn't let it go.

[IronSabbath88]

The fans who dont' want to get on board with this theory just don't get it or just don't want to like BioWare anymore period.

Seriously, why would you accept what the endings are at face value without even CONSIDERING this theory for a second? So you'd prefer bad writing to this? I think a lot of the community is being really hypocritical. Especially with how much slack this theory takes, it's like they just want to be mad and there's no stopping them.

and I have to agree bigstig, the rest of the forum depresses me. All over all I see is the same old negativity everywhere. People blindly bashing BioWare without a second thought. This is seriously the only thread in this section of the forum that has compelling discussion. I think a lot of the naysayers are just upset at the idea that their Shepard is just as human as everyone else, if you ask me.

That said, I'm strongly convinced that by BioWare saying new content to clarify and give closure is in fact this theory or something close to it. It's the ONLY thing that makes any logical sense and with the attention it's been getting lately and their subsequent silence on the subject after they were quite open about it before definitely points to the fact that we have figured this out, and I'm sure the devs are happy there is a number of fans that were willing to look further into what they got.

[McGrzegorz]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

Except noone has said even one word about price yet. We have no idea what the DLC will actually contain or what it is about or even if it will cost money.

I completely agree that taking money for endgame dlc would be really bad, but until such a thing is announced do not jump to conclusions.

But I really like to jump to conclusions...

Most likely Bioware will announce at PAX:

1 - Real Ending DLC (IT becomes the truth) - it will be free (if not free Bioware needs to be prepared for Angry Fans Mass Effect ) for all who registered the ME3

2 - Another DLC (paid) or at least they will hint that something is coming. It might be Omega DLC or anything.
There are at least 2 or 3 rooms aboard Normandy that are completely useless/unoccupied right now

3 - Bunch of MP DLCs

4 - Hint of another ME Universe based game. Lets remember whole Shephard story is just our Galaxy...
Knowing that there are billions of galaxies outside that gives infinte amount of options...

If it's too many options just pick 2 for now...

EDIT: Spelling

Modifié par McGrzegorz, 24 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[nyrocron]

McGrzegorz wrote...

(...)

If it's too many options just pick 2 for now...

I take ending DLC and a new game 

And I would also like to thank all those people in here who still enjoy calmly discussing the game. Why just rage and throw insults at BioWare? Maybe I will if BioWare won't explain their ending properly and just dismisses this wonderful theory, but until then I will stay faithful with BioWare.

Modifié par nyrocron, 24 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Mr. Mistake]

McGrzegorz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

Except noone has said even one word about price yet. We have no idea what the DLC will actually contain or what it is about or even if it will cost money.

I completely agree that taking money for endgame dlc would be really bad, but until such a thing is announced do not jump to conclusions.

But I really like to jump to conclusions...

Most likely Bioware will announce at PAX:

1 - Real Ending DLC (IT becomes the truth) - it will be free (if not free Bioware needs to be prepared for Angry Fans Mass Effect ) for all who registered the ME3

2 - Another DLC (paid) or at least they will hint that something is coming. It might be Omega DLC or anything.
There are at least 2 or 3 rooms aboard Normandy that are completely useless/unoccupied right now

3 - Bunch of MP DLCs

4 - Hint of another ME Universe based game. Lets remember whole Shephard story is just our Galaxy...
Knowing that there are billions of galaxies outside that gives infinte amount of options...

If it's too many options just pick 2 for now...

EDIT: Spelling

Like Byne (who is the OP of this thread) said, there wouldn't be much point releasing any DLC if the end isn't dealt with first.

For example, what's the point of helping Aria retake Omega only to be stranded there with lack of air/gravity/supplies when the mass relays blow up in the end?

In fact, the only pre-end DLC that would make sense would be an option to surrender to the Reapers and become a husk to avoid the ending. Then you could have a pint with Marauder Shields.

[Stigweird85]

I don't care what form the DLC takes(other than MP exclusive)

I mentioned it elsewhere but if at Pax they announce Mass Effect 3.5 or Mass Effect 4 with a 2013/2014 release date I would pre-order there an then

[NikolaiShade]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

McGrzegorz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

Except noone has said even one word about price yet. We have no idea what the DLC will actually contain or what it is about or even if it will cost money.

I completely agree that taking money for endgame dlc would be really bad, but until such a thing is announced do not jump to conclusions.

But I really like to jump to conclusions...

Most likely Bioware will announce at PAX:

1 - Real Ending DLC (IT becomes the truth) - it will be free (if not free Bioware needs to be prepared for Angry Fans Mass Effect ) for all who registered the ME3

2 - Another DLC (paid) or at least they will hint that something is coming. It might be Omega DLC or anything.
There are at least 2 or 3 rooms aboard Normandy that are completely useless/unoccupied right now

3 - Bunch of MP DLCs

4 - Hint of another ME Universe based game. Lets remember whole Shephard story is just our Galaxy...
Knowing that there are billions of galaxies outside that gives infinte amount of options...

If it's too many options just pick 2 for now...

EDIT: Spelling

Like Byne (who is the OP of this thread) said, there wouldn't be much point releasing any DLC if the end isn't dealt with first.

For example, what's the point of helping Aria retake Omega only to be stranded there with lack of air/gravity/supplies when the mass relays blow up in the end?

In fact, the only pre-end DLC that would make sense would be an option to surrender to the Reapers and become a husk to avoid the ending. Then you could have a pint with Marauder Shields.

Come on, what you're suggesting would be playing in a dystopian version of a game when you are one of the bad guys, that's totally crazy...I mean it would be like playing a darkspawn in Dragon Age: Origins... btw what was that Darkspawn Chronicles DLC about?

Edit: I was clearly joking, actually it would be a great idea

Modifié par NikolaiShade, 24 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[McGrzegorz]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Like Byne (who is the OP of this thread) said, there wouldn't be much point releasing any DLC if the end isn't dealt with first.

For example, what's the point of helping Aria retake Omega only to be stranded there with lack of air/gravity/supplies when the mass relays blow up in the end?

In fact, the only pre-end DLC that would make sense would be an option to surrender to the Reapers and become a husk to avoid the ending. Then you could have a pint with Marauder Shields.

I completely agree that if IT it's not true any DLC is pointless (at least for me).
So from mathematical point of view IT must be true in order any DLC to be valid (at least in my Universe

[blueboxblues]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Like Byne (who is the OP of this thread) said, there wouldn't be much point releasing any DLC if the end isn't dealt with first.

For example, what's the point of helping Aria retake Omega only to be stranded there with lack of air/gravity/supplies when the mass relays blow up in the end?

In fact, the only pre-end DLC that would make sense would be an option to surrender to the Reapers and become a husk to avoid the ending. Then you could have a pint with Marauder Shields.

Yep...I mean, you can't even take back Omega AT ALL unless IT is true (or that just wasn't the actual ending) because YOU HAVE ALL OF ARIA'S MERCS. Unless it's 

[SanoBub]

Last night I dreamt about a DLC which starts at the beginning when Shepard leaves earth, but this time we play Anderson and see the whole story from his perspective.When we reach the point where Shepard gets hit by Harbingers beam we see what REALLY happend to him and the players perspective switches over to Shepard again 

Modifié par SanoBub, 24 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[Brug0r]

McGrzegorz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

Except noone has said even one word about price yet. We have no idea what the DLC will actually contain or what it is about or even if it will cost money.

I completely agree that taking money for endgame dlc would be really bad, but until such a thing is announced do not jump to conclusions.

But I really like to jump to conclusions...

Most likely Bioware will announce at PAX:

1 - Real Ending DLC (IT becomes the truth) - it will be free (if not free Bioware needs to be prepared for Angry Fans Mass Effect ) for all who registered the ME3

2 - Another DLC (paid) or at least they will hint that something is coming. It might be Omega DLC or anything.
There are at least 2 or 3 rooms aboard Normandy that are completely useless/unoccupied right now

3 - Bunch of MP DLCs

4 - Hint of another ME Universe based game. Lets remember whole Shephard story is just our Galaxy...
Knowing that there are billions of galaxies outside that gives infinte amount of options...

If it's too many options just pick 2 for now...

EDIT: Spelling

No need for more galaxies. We are not even close to have discovered all of our own galaxy.

[Saint Op]

So after playing the whole game again looking for all the IT stuff I have to say it just seems like a misunderstanding of things and what you are seeing...
I agree that waching the vid and reading the reasons why it seems plausable...but in game it dosen't hold up at all...to many things are easy to check off the list...

[Either.Ardrey]

Tr0n01d wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Denvian wrote...

This is a matter of
opinion...  I think that the music choices in Mass Effect was really
strong and I think jRPGs music is really corny... I am not saying that I would
actually listen to the soundtrack on its own but I think the music strongly
compliments what is happening in the game.

Well it certainly seems to be a popular "opinion" as I haven't heard of any western RPG being so popular they have full orchestra concerts (in the United States no less, not just Japan), getting played at the frickin' Olympics, hiring major pop stars and subsequently selling half a million CD singles with the song you used them for (followed by an award that was intended for "real" music)...  There's a reason that the OST for Mass Effect comes with the Collector's Edition and Final Fantasy prints a 4-disc set of theirs and successfully sells them for $50 a pop.  Quick question, what's the most well known and influential track in gaming music history?  If you said anything except "One Winged Angel", you're just plain wrong.

Look, I'm a big fan of wRPGs.  I wouldn't be here otherwise.  But saying jRPGs don't do music better is just lol.  It's not a bad thing to admit there's one area where "the other side" does better.

I beg to differ, the most influential and known track in vg history is :



followed by :



sorry mate but i've never heard of "one winged angel"

(@ all)
I've never listened to VGM all that much, either, so I also have no idea what One Winged Angel is. My musical experience in this sense would be more along the lines of the major classical songs plus the better movie scores. That being said, I did get the collector's edition for ME3, and no one can any longer say that Western RPGs don't have good music. ME3 is filled to the brim with it.

(@ Rifneno)
The reason why no Western RPG is popular enough to have concerts has nothing to do with the quality of music within the games. It's because the west dismisses the validity of video games in general, while Japan seems more able to embrace it. Star Wars and Lord of the Rings have concerts all the time, and those are Western films. The west doesn't dismiss film like they do video games. Movies have the Oscars while video games are stuck with the VGAs. That explains a lot right there

[IronSabbath88]

Saint Op wrote...

So after playing the whole game again looking for all the IT stuff I have to say it just seems like a misunderstanding of things and what you are seeing...
I agree that waching the vid and reading the reasons why it seems plausable...but in game it dosen't hold up at all...to many things are easy to check off the list...

Enlighten us then. Elaborate. Because when I played again knowing what to expect, I sure as hell noticed it a lot more than just watching a video.

[HunterKYA]

 While watching videos on Youtube about IT, I found this completely at random.



Thought it was pretty funny and related to what we've been talking about.

[SanoBub]

Brug0r wrote...

McGrzegorz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Want the real ending? Pay us more.

I can already think of a time when you have to keep paying daily for a supposedly full, finished single-player game.

Except noone has said even one word about price yet. We have no idea what the DLC will actually contain or what it is about or even if it will cost money.

I completely agree that taking money for endgame dlc would be really bad, but until such a thing is announced do not jump to conclusions.

But I really like to jump to conclusions...

Most likely Bioware will announce at PAX:

1 - Real Ending DLC (IT becomes the truth) - it will be free (if not free Bioware needs to be prepared for Angry Fans Mass Effect ) for all who registered the ME3

2 - Another DLC (paid) or at least they will hint that something is coming. It might be Omega DLC or anything.
There are at least 2 or 3 rooms aboard Normandy that are completely useless/unoccupied right now

3 - Bunch of MP DLCs

4 - Hint of another ME Universe based game. Lets remember whole Shephard story is just our Galaxy...
Knowing that there are billions of galaxies outside that gives infinte amount of options...

If it's too many options just pick 2 for now...

EDIT: Spelling

No need for more galaxies. We are not even close to have discovered all of our own galaxy.

I always wondered what happens to all the other races in the systems which can't be reached (since there are no mass relays). Not even the Reapers could reach them, so they could never eliminate ALL organic life. Always just the small part which has access to mass relays.

I'm sure this gets explained in some codex entry or something.

Modifié par SanoBub, 24 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[Dwailing]

Denvian wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Denvian wrote...

This is a matter of
opinion...  I think that the music choices in Mass Effect was really
strong and I think jRPGs music is really corny... I am not saying that I would
actually listen to the soundtrack on its own but I think the music strongly
compliments what is happening in the game.

Well it certainly seems to be a popular "opinion" as I haven't heard of any western RPG being so popular they have full orchestra concerts (in the United States no less, not just Japan), getting played at the frickin' Olympics, hiring major pop stars and subsequently selling half a million CD singles with the song you used them for (followed by an award that was intended for "real" music)...  There's a reason that the OST for Mass Effect comes with the Collector's Edition and Final Fantasy prints a 4-disc set of theirs and successfully sells them for $50 a pop.  Quick question, what's the most well known and influential track in gaming music history?  If you said anything except "One Winged Angel", you're just plain wrong.

Look, I'm a big fan of wRPGs.  I wouldn't be here otherwise.  But saying jRPGs don't do music better is just lol.  It's not a bad thing to admit there's one area where "the other side" does better.

I beg to differ, the most influential and known track in vg history is :



followed by :



sorry mate but i've never heard of "one winged angel"

Don't do it man!!! your poking the nerd bears!

p.s.

Funny that was actually the one that hit my mind first too and it made me laugh.

Hey, no love for Halo?  I would say that this: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om0M6Ol8FjQ, is pretty well known, too.

[Saint Op]

@ Iron

Well its alot & I hate rambling...lol

But to start from the video...the "trees from your dream" are behind you the whole time before the beam....
the 1m1 is in the crucible ...and you are still in the crucible...
the black lines are just TIM controling you....

[McGrzegorz]

Saint Op wrote...

So after playing the whole game again looking for all the IT stuff I have to say it just seems like a misunderstanding of things and what you are seeing...
I agree that waching the vid and reading the reasons why it seems plausable...but in game it dosen't hold up at all...to many things are easy to check off the list...

You need to be more specific and show us some examples, so we can properly disscuss it or point you to the place where it was already explained/argued etc

[Stigweird85]

the reapers don't eliminate all organic life.

They leave the primitive ones. When the protheans were wiped out, Asari, Human and Salarian species where all in their infancy. Javik points out the salarians used to eat bugs.

In this cycle, Hackett mentions that the Reapers are avoiding the home planet of the Yagg.

Also as reapers seem immortal, they can travel anywhere even without the relays

[Wounded_Wolf]

@ bigstig

Indeed you're right, and in any case i've already been won over by the indoctrination theory for a while (if only because it makes an awesome game even more interesting). I was just thinking that if the intention was for the ending sequence to be real (and not IT) surely the options would be more cut and dried i.e. a noble sacrifice option, a selfish power hungry option etc.

Also someone earlier mentioned seeing harbinger's eyes while passing through the corrider after the beam. I didnt experience this myself, but i did notice that as you pass out of the room with all the doll-like corpses (some of whom are wearing ashley's armour from ME1) and if you look ahead at the control panel room, for a moment the light coming from it has a very similar effect to when harbinger would 'assume control' of a collecter during combat in ME2 (like golden rays radiating outwards sort of thing).

Or i'm indoctrinating myself...

[IronSabbath88]

Saint Op wrote...

@ Iron

Well its alot & I hate rambling...lol

But to start from the video...the "trees from your dream" are behind you the whole time before the beam....
the 1m1 is in the crucible ...and you are still in the crucible...
the black lines are just TIM controling you....

I don't understand what you mean by the 1m1 thing. Human writing shouldn't be in part of the Citadel where Shepard is the "first organic to be there" though.

I don't use the trees as evidence because it's the most inconclusive. So, you got that one.

As far as TIM controlling you. This is what gets me, sure people CAN be indoctrinated, but we have NEVER seen that someone can harness the power of the Reapers through their body. Sure, we saw the reapers re animate Saren's corpse, but he was already dead then. There has never been a case of someone using the Reapers powers to control someone else.