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[SanoBub]

bigstig wrote...

the reapers don't eliminate all organic life.

They leave the primitive ones. When the protheans were wiped out, Asari, Human and Salarian species where all in their infancy. Javik points out the salarians used to eat bugs.

In this cycle, Hackett mentions that the Reapers are avoiding the home planet of the Yagg.

Also as reapers seem immortal, they can travel anywhere even without the relays

There sure are not just primitive species in the other parts of the galaxy.
But you are right, they could probably reach them (if they can even find them). Anyway, it's just a minor thing I asked myself.

[nyrocron]

Saint Op wrote...

@ Iron

Well its alot & I hate rambling...lol

But to start from the video...the "trees from your dream" are behind you the whole time before the beam....
the 1m1 is in the crucible ...and you are still in the crucible...
the black lines are just TIM controling you....

- The Dreams have "oily shadows" too
- 1M1 is on the Citadel. And was also there in ME1, I don't think 1M1 itself is a hint at indoc, but the fact that it  is  could be from Shep's memories
- the trees are no core evidence (to me). also someone pointed out that the sequence where you walk to the beam uses the dream worldspace internally

But for me the most conclusive facts are
- Dead Squadmates alive
- Shepard alive (how did he get there from Citadel?)
- Feeling that the end just feels disconnected from the rest of the game (which almost everyone that played the game confirms)
- First reactions of BioWare

Modifié par nyrocron, 24 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Golferguy758]

You aren't on the crucible at any point. you are standing on the Citadel

[Saint Op]

@iron
the 1m1 thing is not in the citadel part its in the crucibel part...
thats what I meant..
with TIM I agree that we have not seen this before but the lines only show with him there activley forcing control...

[SanoBub]

Some (read: many) things in this thread are really just overinterpretations (You'll always find things if you search long enough) in my opinion but there are some really strong evidences too.
Shepard waking up on earth is the biggest one for me.

I'm 90% sure IT is true by the way!

[JTP117]

Cucobr wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

did you look at the background more closely Cucobr.

yep... jungles...

He meant look at the double planet in the sky, they look the same.  The plant life is simular yes but then so is the double planet and star.  Might be intentional... would not be suprised but who knows.

naaa,,,, it's too common in Mass Effect series.. 

I think that's why he said it. The IT theory is based off of shepard constructing his environment off of previous locations. He could be remembering that mission area to build that world for his halucination. Just speculating of course

[Erloeser]

I always wondered what happens to all the other races in the systems which can't be reached (since there are no mass relays). Not even the Reapers could reach them, so they could never eliminate ALL organic life. Always just the small part which has access to mass relays.

I'm sure this gets explained in some codex entry or something.

As far as I understand it, they're peppered all over the galaxy, but not all of them are active. There's not supposed to be one in every system, but one will always be close enough that if you have FTL travel you can get to it. Basically if you're not advanced enough to reach a relay the reapers don't care about you.

Modifié par Erloeser, 24 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[keith123456789]

Erloeser wrote...

I always wondered what happens to all the other races in the systems which can't be reached (since there are no mass relays). Not even the Reapers could reach them, so they could never eliminate ALL organic life. Always just the small part which has access to mass relays.

I'm sure this gets explained in some codex entry or something.

As far as I understand it, they're peppered all over the galaxy, but not all of them are active. There's not supposed to be one in every system, but one will always be close enough that if you have FTL travel you can get to it. Basically if you're not advanced enough to reach a relay the reapers don't care about you.

well they can still travel around the galaxy using FTL travel (and yes they have that technology) it would just take them days or months not minutes or hours.

[Golferguy758]

Saint Op wrote...

@iron
the 1m1 thing is not in the citadel part its in the crucibel part...
thats what I meant..
with TIM I agree that we have not seen this before but the lines only show with him there activley forcing control...

The crucible never attaches to the Citadel. And when you take the beam up you are going to the "Part of the citadel that has never had any organic reach before" There is 0 reason, gamewise, for 1m1 to be on those surfaces.

Could it be a simple reuse of texture, sure. But gamewise those letters and numbers should not be there.

[Golferguy758]

I will reiterate this though. This work is just a theory. Don't say it's a fact when we have no idea of knowing if it is or isn't. There is a lot of speculative evidence here, but all evidence can always be used on the other side as well.

Just don't get your hopes too high.

[Stigweird85]

The thing about IT is it's real.

According to the behind the scenes app, Bioware originally intended you as a player to lose control over Shep but scrapped the idea as it was a difficult gameplay mechanic.

So while some of the IT clues may just be people clutching at emergency induction ports, some of them look like indoctrination as that's exactly what is was supposed to be.

I support the IT until Bioware- the creators say otherwise.

Wait a minute I've just had a thought. What does Javik and the Godchild both say. Eventually all synthetic life rebels against it's creator?

Well all our shepards are an artificial construct, all our stories are their creation. What are we doing now? We are rebelling at the story they created for us didn't seem right for thje characters and the universe they created.

Now that's some meta stuff right there

Modifié par bigstig, 24 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[JTP117]

nyrocron wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

@ Iron

Well its alot & I hate rambling...lol

But to start from the video...the "trees from your dream" are behind you the whole time before the beam....
the 1m1 is in the crucible ...and you are still in the crucible...
the black lines are just TIM controling you....

- The Dreams have "oily shadows" too
- 1M1 is on the Citadel. And was also there in ME1, I don't think 1M1 itself is a hint at indoc, but the fact that it  is  could be from Shep's memories
- the trees are no core evidence (to me). also someone pointed out that the sequence where you walk to the beam uses the dream worldspace internally

But for me the most conclusive facts are
- Dead Squadmates alive
- Shepard alive (how did he get there from Citadel?)
- Feeling that the end just feels disconnected from the rest of the game (which almost everyone that played the game confirms)
- First reactions of BioWare

I greatly agree with your last statement there. I think off the bat, more Bioware people dropped hints than the company wanted to and we all latched onto them, now I feel like BW is backpedaling and becoming more and more vague to keep us in the dark longer. The earlier tweets we were seeing were along the lines of "Don't throw away those discs yet, we are working on something all you naysayers will love" or even linking to this thread and saying "These guys explained it better than I could"

Now all we get is "content coming.....there will be  'stuff' in it" or "we are working on a 'thing' that will do 'stuff' with the ending"

IMHO, Bioware has waaaaay more stuff than they are currently letting on, they just want the speculation to keep going.

Also, most of those tweets hinting at new ending content or links to this thread came out about a week before Bioware confirmed new ending content. So I think they've had this planned in some way or another

[Vahilor]

Saint Op wrote...

@iron
the 1m1 thing is not in the citadel part its in the crucibel part...
thats what I meant..
with TIM I agree that we have not seen this before but the lines only show with him there activley forcing control...

You never are on the crucible, you are allways on the citadel.. but god-child tells you you are the first organic reaching that place so there should not be 1M1 on any part cause thats human writings.
The 1M1 part is on the citadel part.

Modifié par Vahilor, 24 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[Saint Op]

@iron

see I thought the same but the part with the 3 choices are the crucibel that is the entire point of it ....and when you get the breath part it is in the ruble from what you shot...its not concrete...

[JTP117]

keith123456789 wrote...

Erloeser wrote...

I always wondered what happens to all the other races in the systems which can't be reached (since there are no mass relays). Not even the Reapers could reach them, so they could never eliminate ALL organic life. Always just the small part which has access to mass relays.

I'm sure this gets explained in some codex entry or something.

As far as I understand it, they're peppered all over the galaxy, but not all of them are active. There's not supposed to be one in every system, but one will always be close enough that if you have FTL travel you can get to it. Basically if you're not advanced enough to reach a relay the reapers don't care about you.

well they can still travel around the galaxy using FTL travel (and yes they have that technology) it would just take them days or months not minutes or hours.

And there's nothing to say that the races couldn't create their own version of the relays. They already understand mass effect fields and tech, that is how they got FTL in the first place. It could take many years but the possibility is there

[SanoBub]

Another "evidence" is that the game is WAY to short imo.
By far the shortest ME title. I don't have looked at my playing times but it felt that way. Like half as long as ME2 (it has to be said that I have all DLCs for ME2 though....I guess that adds a lot)

[jackncoke28]

Saint Op wrote...

@iron

see I thought the same but the part with the 3 choices are the crucibel that is the entire point of it ....and when you get the breath part it is in the ruble from what you shot...its not concrete...

if you were on crucible, why would god child say you are the first organic to set foot there? considering organics built the crucible,its statement would make no sense.

[JTP117]

SanoBub wrote...

Another "evidence" is that the game is WAY to short imo.
By far the shortest ME title. I don't have looked at my playing times but it felt that way. Like half as long as ME2 (it has to be said that I have all DLCs for ME2 though....I guess that adds a lot)

I think all ME2 DLC together adds another 20-25 hrs depending on how you play

[SanoBub]

JTP117 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

Erloeser wrote...

I always wondered what happens to all the other races in the systems which can't be reached (since there are no mass relays). Not even the Reapers could reach them, so they could never eliminate ALL organic life. Always just the small part which has access to mass relays.

I'm sure this gets explained in some codex entry or something.

As far as I understand it, they're peppered all over the galaxy, but not all of them are active. There's not supposed to be one in every system, but one will always be close enough that if you have FTL travel you can get to it. Basically if you're not advanced enough to reach a relay the reapers don't care about you.

well they can still travel around the galaxy using FTL travel (and yes they have that technology) it would just take them days or months not minutes or hours.

And there's nothing to say that the races couldn't create their own version of the relays. They already understand mass effect fields and tech, that is how they got FTL in the first place. It could take many years but the possibility is there

You are all probably right. I just thought it's a major thing which never gets really mentioned in any of the games.

[Saint Op]

I think the reaper built in a failsafe to the plan "the crucible"
god child is a vauge and aloof fool really..

what is this dead squadmate thing?

also wanted to say I am trying to find answers to what I see as holes in the IT ...not that I dislike or even disagree with it...

[SanoBub]

JTP117 wrote...

SanoBub wrote...

Another "evidence" is that the game is WAY to short imo.
By far the shortest ME title. I don't have looked at my playing times but it felt that way. Like half as long as ME2 (it has to be said that I have all DLCs for ME2 though....I guess that adds a lot)

I think all ME2 DLC together adds another 20-25 hrs depending on how you play

Really? Wow!
I still think that ME3 is really short though.

[nyrocron]

All in all it is not THAT much shorter but I support the feeling that it was a little short.

[Golferguy758]

Saint Op wrote...

I think the reaper built in a failsafe to the plan "the crucible"
god child is a vauge and aloof fool really..

what is this dead squadmate thing?

also wanted to say I am trying to find answers to what I see as holes in the IT ...not that I dislike or even disagree with it...

Dead squadmates thing. If your EMS is lowish you can see the bodies of the people you took with you on the run to the beam. However, at the end when you have your crew leaving the Normandy they magically appear there unharmed. Could be a gameplay glitch, or soemthign else. We'll see.

But do you understand what people are talking about with the crucible and how you are actually standing on the outside of the citadel where there is organic writing on the walls?

[Saint Op]

@jackncoke

I believe he was talking about the part of the citadel you needed to get to to reach him... the crucible seemed to dock on it like saren did...
I think starchild may have even given us the plans for the crucible millions of years ago...

[jackncoke28]

Considering its the finale of the trilogy, I would expect it to be the longest of all 3 games