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iSpitfireee wrote...

guys watch. next week bioware will introduce a "season pass" where you buy one for 1600 microsoft points and u get 2 dlc's a month. then after 11 months u finally get the ending DLC.

If they do that i would join all the military forces in the world and organize an atack at the EA headquarts.

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They are probably gonna use your theory to make up for the crappy endings.

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Assuming the dream starts at the restart point of the last mission (after being hit by the laser - that's also the first point your motion is slow and (I think) your ammo is unlimited), how could any actions you do there have any significance? Is it like a mental battle against the Reapers, that would imply the only right choice is destroying them - not listening to them?

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I already liked the literal ending for the most part, but this makes so much sense it couldn't be an accident, and it would literally be the greatest ending to the greatest game of all time. BUT, this would also mean the end game that places you before the Cerberus assault isn't just for convenience, and is actually prime positioning for a DLC super ending (or maybe not). All I can say is, if this turns out to be the case I would hands down even buy the thing because it's crazy awesome. Also would explain why they don't want to say anything just yet.

It's just a little hard to swallow, you know? Like the parts where the relays are destroyed and the Normandy crash lands. That was pretty significant and if it turns out just to be some crazy elaborate ending to completely throw you off of the actual ending I'll be completely impressed.

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Goddy10 wrote...

Here is something everyone should think about: WHEN in the game are Shephards nightmares explained? When does he even tell anybody about them in detail? I can't remember any such moment.

Plus the fact that any time a squaddie asked about Shepard's mental state, specifically calling out Shepard's problems sleeping, even a paragon Shepard would deflect the question.

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Didn't someone from bioware say , that paragon options aren't always right and could cost you in the end.

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i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end..

does anybody here watched Lost? they just point fans in one direction and let them to figure out what was real and what was not :)

and look at what dlc's bioware gave us in last few years.. there were one mission, new equipment and nothing more. i dont think that they will just relase some new one with "real" ending.

i know that before relase of the game someone from bioware said that we should keep our saves from me3, but that doesnt meen anything. i bet that the first dlc will be about Major Coats. i bet that he is the sniper from teaser, because he said few moments before final mission that he spent few days in Big Ben sniping reapers :)

just think about it for a moment, do you really think that they will relase a dlc with an alternative end?!

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Ludcirum wrote...

I have a question, in arrival in mass effect 2, it was made clear that a mass relay blowing up was a death sentence to the solar system it was in, so I ask, how in gods name is there even a planet left after the whole RELAY NETWORK BLOWS UP!

Indeed. Why is it that the relays blow up and the Reapers don't, they just fall down. If anything, the relays should of just shut down.

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themidz wrote...

i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end..

does anybody here watched Lost? they just point fans in one direction and let them to figure out what was real and what was not :)

and look at what dlc's bioware gave us in last few years.. there were one mission, new equipment and nothing more. i dont think that they will just relase some new one with "real" ending.

i know that before relase of the game someone from bioware said that we should keep our saves from me3, but that doesnt meen anything. i bet that the first dlc will be about Major Coats. i bet that he is the sniper from teaser, because he said few moments before final mission that he spent few days in Big Ben sniping reapers :)

just think about it for a moment, do you really think that they will relase a dlc with an alternative end?!


I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't have any motivation to procure any DLC with the current endings.

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themidz wrote...

i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end..

does anybody here watched Lost? they just point fans in one direction and let them to figure out what was real and what was not :)

and look at what dlc's bioware gave us in last few years.. there were one mission, new equipment and nothing more. i dont think that they will just relase some new one with "real" ending.

i know that before relase of the game someone from bioware said that we should keep our saves from me3, but that doesnt meen anything. i bet that the first dlc will be about Major Coats. i bet that he is the sniper from teaser, because he said few moments before final mission that he spent few days in Big Ben sniping reapers :)

just think about it for a moment, do you really think that they will relase a dlc with an alternative end?!


not an alternative ending...the actual one...

and I don't think you can adaquately compare this to Lost because in lost the ending regardless of everything being explained still provided closure for the characters themselves with them reuniting in the end...there is nothing like that in ME3 so far...

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No. It wasn't.

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well let's just say the theory about indoctrination is true, and that is the ending. Then we are screwed. For the fight is lost, and reapers won... Jessica Merizan told us via twitter that she in fact thinks that all this is a hallucination of a dying shepard. Keep in mind, that she is not a dev, so she can only assume. So what now?  So all 3 games lead to a indocrination, and cycle being succesfull? :/ WTF?!

Please BioWare, tell us something. If not "i don't want to live on this planet anymore" ;>

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MrRiadon wrote...

I really hope it was a hallucination.... I can't think of any other reason for the endings in a game of this magnitude to be so bad.



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themidz wrote...

i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end.


In short? Hell yes. Look at the arguments supporting it.

EA LURVS their online passes and is pretty good about supporting them in exchange for the inconvenience to consumers. BF's VIP passes and the Cerberus network were pretty awesome. And, EA HATES the resale market, putting a fake ending on a game disc and distributing a real ending later to new game purchasers is pretty much the culmination of everything they're trying to do.

ME3 was about as tight-lipped a project as a Thai cathouse from day one. Script and beta leaks, the space edition leaks, that Russian pirated copy that hit bittorrent...there's a saying for all this, and that's "screen door on a submarine".

The game had a staggered release schedule. NA on the 6th, EU on the 9th, Asia on the 15th...by the time even European players were getting the game, Americans had beaten it and had gone full "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" everywhere. In the context of the previous point, the game was spoiled for even Americans before the retail release. What better way to make sure as few people as possible end up spoiled than to crap a fake ending onto the disc, and wait to distribute an actual ending after the game's been released globally?

Seriously, ME is BW's magnum opus. Do you think they want a horde of little fartknockers online ruining it for everyone for the lulz?

Modifié par humes spork, 11 mars 2012 - 06:27 .


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humes spork wrote...

What better way to make sure as few people as possible end up spoiled than to crap a fake ending onto the disc, and wait to distribute an actual ending after the game's been released globally?

Release it on the same day globally, I suppose?

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humes spork wrote...

themidz wrote...

i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end.


In short? Hell yes. Look at the arguments supporting it.

EA LURVS their online passes and is pretty good about supporting them in exchange for the inconvenience to consumers. BF's VIP passes and the Cerberus network were pretty awesome. And, EA HATES the resale market, putting a fake ending on a game disc and distributing a real ending later to new game purchasers is pretty much the culmination of everything they're trying to do.

ME3 was about as tight-lipped a project as a Thai cathouse from day one. Script and beta leaks, the space edition leaks, that Russian pirated copy that hit bittorrent...there's a saying for all this, and that's "screen door on a submarine".

The game had a staggered release schedule. NA on the 6th, EU on the 9th, Asia on the 15th...by the time even European players were getting the game, Americans had beaten it and had gone full "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" everywhere. In the context of the previous point, the game was spoiled for even Americans before the retail release. What better way to make sure as few people as possible end up spoiled than to crap a fake ending onto the disc, and wait to distribute an actual ending after the game's been released globally?


That would support what Bioware said about changing the endings after the script leaked. They did say they were going to change it.

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humes spork wrote...

themidz wrote...

i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end.


In short? Hell yes. Look at the arguments supporting it.

EA LURVS their online passes and is pretty good about supporting them in exchange for the inconvenience to consumers. BF's VIP passes and the Cerberus network were pretty awesome. And, EA HATES the resale market, putting a fake ending on a game disc and distributing a real ending later to new game purchasers is pretty much the culmination of everything they're trying to do.

ME3 was about as tight-lipped a project as a Thai cathouse from day one. Script and beta leaks, the space edition leaks, that Russian pirated copy that hit bittorrent...there's a saying for all this, and that's "screen door on a submarine".

The game had a staggered release schedule. NA on the 6th, EU on the 9th, Asia on the 15th...by the time even European players were getting the game, Americans had beaten it and had gone full "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" everywhere. In the context of the previous point, the game was spoiled for even Americans before the retail release. What better way to make sure as few people as possible end up spoiled than to crap a fake ending onto the disc, and wait to distribute an actual ending after the game's been released globally?


Ah, humes. You should be a writer for BioWare.

Or a sneaky Cerberus agent. :bandit:

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I like how, when you wake up from being hit by the blast, Harbinger has vanished.

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The hallucination theory got lots of problems in order for it to be viable.
By presenting the last part as a dream makes you wonder.
Then the fight at London never ended, what happen to the " real world " while shepard was sleeping, what happen to the crew ,what happens to the fact that our CHOICES make less to none influence to the games ending.
If all in the end was a dream then the game is not over yet,the fight didn't finish.

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WHY DOES THIS MAKE SO MUCH SENSE?! >:(

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This hallucination theory actually makes a lot of sense BUT it is still a jerk move to not include the full ending or add any closure. The game ends before the final fight ends.

Modifié par Vynar Drace, 11 mars 2012 - 06:29 .


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Vynar Drace wrote...

This hallucination theory actually makes a lot of sense BUT it is still a jerk move to not include the full ending or add any closure. The game ends before the final fight ends.

QFT

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Vynar Drace wrote...

This hallucination theory actually makes a lot of sense BUT it is still a jerk move to not include the full ending or add any closure. The game ends before the final fight ends.


That's sort of the point; get you so worked up that when the real ending hits the PSN/XBLA/Origin, you would gladly cut off your own balls for the download to go faster.

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humes spork wrote...

themidz wrote...

i really love this hallucination idea and i think that this is probably true, but on the other hand, do you really think that bioware would sell us game without ending? my opinion is that this is the real ending and we should have to imagine our own end.


In short? Hell yes. Look at the arguments supporting it.

EA LURVS their online passes and is pretty good about supporting them in exchange for the inconvenience to consumers. BF's VIP passes and the Cerberus network were pretty awesome. And, EA HATES the resale market, putting a fake ending on a game disc and distributing a real ending later to new game purchasers is pretty much the culmination of everything they're trying to do.

ME3 was about as tight-lipped a project as a Thai cathouse from day one. Script and beta leaks, the space edition leaks, that Russian pirated copy that hit bittorrent...there's a saying for all this, and that's "screen door on a submarine".

The game had a staggered release schedule. NA on the 6th, EU on the 9th, Asia on the 15th...by the time even European players were getting the game, Americans had beaten it and had gone full "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" everywhere. In the context of the previous point, the game was spoiled for even Americans before the retail release. What better way to make sure as few people as possible end up spoiled than to crap a fake ending onto the disc, and wait to distribute an actual ending after the game's been released globally?

Seriously, ME is BW's magnum opus. Do you think they want a horde of little fartknockers online ruining it for everyone for the lulz?


Wishfull thinking. <_<

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well well find out in 4 days