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[JTP117]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

One of the best bits of evidence we have from Bioware

[Denvian]

JTP117 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

One of the best bits of evidence we have from Bioware

Yeah I have a friend who would not even look at IT and then I sent him that tweet and now he is a believer.

[crimsontotem]

http://www.forbes.co...e-easy-way-out/

even the professional journalists agree with us.

It's the easy way out

[Mastone]

hallucination, perhaps, his last dying moments perhaps, Indoctrination I doubt it, ending of a franchise definitely.............

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

One of the best bits of evidence we have from Bioware

Yeah I have a friend who would not even look at IT and then I sent him that tweet and now he is a believer.

this and the fact they're happy to talk directly about spoilers about people dying in game, legion and mordin etc but not the endings? I'm sorry but I smell a rat.

Her tweet to paraphrase 'it's not teleport re. joker & crew want to discuss but want to keep spoiler free'

In other words people dying throughout the game isn't a 'major spoiler' but won't talk specifically about the endings without tweeting back seemingly cryptic clues?

the direct link to this thread

her 'i love this community' etc when someone posted something about ending not being real or not all it seemed. 

Some sort of hallucination idea is right imo even if not indoctrination and Shepard wakes up in a hospital bed having been dragged back from where he got hit and it was a 'near death experience' type hallucination and nothing to do with indoctrination

This theory is more or less the answer and building on it in dlc is 'clarification and explanation' that they keep saying and it needing to be true is only reason I got twitter (worst mistake ever) this theory full stop means I need to get a life because I live on this forum for new evidence, official confirmation etc lol.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 25 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[greywardencommander]

Mastone wrote...

hallucination, perhaps, his last dying moments perhaps, Indoctrination I doubt it, ending of a franchise definitely.............

I.T is hallucination = a battle of the mind

[Golferguy758]

April 6th is pretty much going to be the equivalent of going to the year 1999 in Chrono Trigger aboard Epoch.

If I was talented with video editing I would totally cross over those two games just for that day.

i.e. If Bioware doesn't change anything I'd put a clip of Harbinger coming out of the Earth (16 bit of course) nuking everything with the line " But the future refused to change"

If they do admit to I.T. or just endings in general etc. I'd show the picture of Lavos being defeated (replaced by Harbinger) with a last clip of Shepard chasing a cat into a time gate

[Flash_Death]

First time posting. In ME1 Sovereign says that they build the Citadel and Mass Relays so that galactic society develops along the paths they desire. Then if the God-Child really is in control of the reapers then why did he just not make society develop along different paths so that the reapers would have never been needed? This was the first thing I thought of when I heard his explanation of the reapers. Not only did I not trust him because he was a little kid and couldn't even question him, but he was talking nonsense so I assumed he was lying and picked destroy (since that was what Shepard was trying to do the entire three games) and was hoping for a outcome that made sense. I'll admit I was angry at first, then I found this forum. Just wanted to thank you guys for keeping hope alive.

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

One of the best bits of evidence we have from Bioware

Yeah I have a friend who would not even look at IT and then I sent him that tweet and now he is a believer.

tested this on my flat mate (without explaining anything re. Mass Effect because he hates science fiction and RPG's, know's nothing and would have no idea what I would be on about other than the ocassional thing he's seen me do in game when he comes in my room to say hello)

I played played the opening stuff of ME3 until you get to the Normandy so he'd get the general idea. I then went and showed him the video's of all the dreams and then the final scene. I then played him the 23 minute video detailing everything.

At this point (even when immediately first seeing the boy in game, not one with the boy running with the ship btw) he already started saying this is all odd and this was all just added too with the boy not being helped up.

With the First thing it shows after the codex entry stuff is the boy he immediately goes 'see I said so he's not real' before even seeing him die (the fact in the video it showed you seeing him die twice yet still talk to him in the vent he then said it's obvious that even if he's real when you talk to him in the vent, he's now definitely dead end of blown up in the shuttle and the building). With every extra point being made he just nodded going yep, yep, yep.

By the end of the video he said (and after I said what the current endings are and played the entire ending (e.g. perfect destroy ending) he went pretty much

'if Bioware didn't plan it, they sure as hell should now it's so obviously supposed to not be real and wrong, a hallucination of some sort, just with the slow motion and the inverted choice you've been conditioned too. the whole conversation is just odd in itself.'

You can believe me if you want but just thought i'd say that's what someone who has no investment or interest interpreted from it all purely from a perhaps more 'unbiased' point of view. Admittedly I probably conditioned him to see what I see purely on my watch this, and then this and then this. NOW 'watch this' but I still wondered what people thought of this.

p.s. he does psychology too not sure if that means anything I just figured I'd say so.

[DarthSliver]

JTP117 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Bah, I don't believe that silly leak for a second.

First off, Elcor, Volus and Hanar squadmates but not a single Human, Drell, Turian, hell even Batarian? Right there I call bull.

Secondly, this pretty much renders Synthesis and Control moot with they decide to go with "atmospheric re-entry" which in itself is just outright stupid. NOBODY can survive that crap. You mean Shepard survives now with no helmet and burned up armor but he cant survive WITH armor? Give me a break.

IF this turns out to be true (big if... BIG if, I highly doubt it) then I really am done with BioWare because to me, this is nonsensical garbage. The indoc theory actually makes sense universe wise... this... this is just outright trash.

Atmospheric re-entry not only kills it for me as the first time he did that he had a full helmet on and was still rendered a slab of broken and burned meat that took 2 years and trillions of dollars to fix, but the fact that he SOMEHOW survived the gigantic explosion that blew the citadel, a giant space station, to pieces. Sorry, but there is no way he could survive either of those, let alone both at the same time.

Not to mention the planet that he entered had a thinner atmosphere than Earth.

[Stigweird85]

If nothing else that tweet shows that Bioware does appreciate it's community and the efforts that have been made here by several very intelligent people

[Kyzee]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

Jessica Merizan has been one of the most amazing and wonderful people to talk to throughout this whole drama. She deserves a lot of praise (and no, not simply b/c of her tweets like these lending support to IT). :happy:<3

[beank]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

[FTI45]

 

A bit off topic, but do you guys think there is any more evidence or clues that can be found from the ending of the game that supports the theory?
Jw 

[Stigweird85]

BTW

Here is an interesting quote from the art of mass effect book that came free with the collectors edition:

One child would be the face of the people of Earth whom Shepard could not save.

I would put that down as in the there is move to it than we think column. While it doesn't categorically state that this child isn't real. The "face of the people" showing up on the citadel as the catalyst? I don't buy it.

Why would it take that form?

There is more to this then seen at first glance, to borrow another series catchphrase: The truth is out there.

(bad pun I know Sorry :innocent::innocent:)

Modifié par bigstig, 25 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[noobcannon]

FTI45 wrote...

 

A bit off topic, but do you guys think there is any more evidence or clues that can be found from the ending of the game that supports the theory?
Jw 

i've posted this in other places before but i'll post it here too. the big reasons i support the indoc theory more than any other scenario right now:

in mass effect 1 the rachni queen says the "sour songs" forced them to commit the rachni wars and that they would see "oily shadows" while the reapers were trying to indoctrinate them. fast forward to shepard's dreams in me3. when he is chasing the spaceboy, You see what are clearly "oily shadows" all around. is this proof? of course not. but it is a very strong piece of evidence that supports shepards dreams as part of an indoctrination proccess.

when you beam aboard the citadel, hacket says no one made it to the beam, so it seemed pretty clear you got up there BEFORE anderson. once you teleport up anderson says he went in right behind you. from where you teleported it is a straight line to the control panel. i've wandered around to make sure and i cannot figure out how he would have gotten to that control panel, let alone gotten to it before you. also where the hell did TIM come from? there are no doors or branching platforms. again, this is evidence, not proof.

the third bit that troubles me is shepard surviving the explosion when you have enough war assets. forget the fact that he's breathing in space. i'll assume there are barriers or whatever. but when you consider the size of that explosion, where shepard was in proximity to it (RIGHT NEXT TO IT), and that whatever barrier may have been there keeping oxygen in.... i asked myself what is more likely?: shepard survivng a close encounter with harbinger's beam (that we never see actually hit him) or survivng that huge explosion, in space, right in front of him)

there are other good pieces of evidence out there but these three have really stuck with me, more than anything else. the normandy running away was also a real headscratcher.

if you haven't seen it already, i strongly suggest you watch:

 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I already asked this but got no response.. so.. any news over the weekend? Interviews, new evidence, suspicious tweets?

[noobcannon]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already asked this but got no response.. so.. any news over the weekend? Interviews, new evidence, suspicious tweets?

\\

don't think there was anything new

[Pangaron]

Kyzee wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

Jessica Merizan has been one of the most amazing and wonderful people to talk to throughout this whole drama. She deserves a lot of praise (and no, not simply b/c of her tweets like these lending support to IT). :happy:<3

I agree, she is a real paragon, saving nerves of so many folks.

Plus she must be under such pressure these days, I cannot even imagine.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

If I were to say there was a hint out there, this would be a good indicator. Still skeptical but I still support it.

[greywardencommander]

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

Modifié par greywardencommander, 25 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[FTI45]

noobcannon wrote...

FTI45 wrote...

 

A bit off topic, but do you guys think there is any more evidence or clues that can be found from the ending of the game that supports the theory?
Jw 

i've posted this in other places before but i'll post it here too. the big reasons i support the indoc theory more than any other scenario right now:

in mass effect 1 the rachni queen says the "sour songs" forced them to commit the rachni wars and that they would see "oily shadows" while the reapers were trying to indoctrinate them. fast forward to shepard's dreams in me3. when he is chasing the spaceboy, You see what are clearly "oily shadows" all around. is this proof? of course not. but it is a very strong piece of evidence that supports shepards dreams as part of an indoctrination proccess.

when you beam aboard the citadel, hacket says no one made it to the beam, so it seemed pretty clear you got up there BEFORE anderson. once you teleport up anderson says he went in right behind you. from where you teleported it is a straight line to the control panel. i've wandered around to make sure and i cannot figure out how he would have gotten to that control panel, let alone gotten to it before you. also where the hell did TIM come from? there are no doors or branching platforms. again, this is evidence, not proof.

the third bit that troubles me is shepard surviving the explosion when you have enough war assets. forget the fact that he's breathing in space. i'll assume there are barriers or whatever. but when you consider the size of that explosion, where shepard was in proximity to it (RIGHT NEXT TO IT), and that whatever barrier may have been there keeping oxygen in.... i asked myself what is more likely?: shepard survivng a close encounter with harbinger's beam (that we never see actually hit him) or survivng that huge explosion, in space, right in front of him)

there are other good pieces of evidence out there but these three have really stuck with me, more than anything else. the normandy running away was also a real headscratcher.

if you haven't seen it already, i strongly suggest you watch:

 

I believe in all those pieces of supporting evidence and I've seen the video
I have all my trust in Bioware that this is what they wanted, a community collaborating thoughts and ideas for the ending and that the finale was a form of Shepard's indoctrination process.

[Hunter_Wolf]

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

Someone asks the validity of the Godchild and the answer from the Dev posted a link sending to this topic stating:

‏ "people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have"

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 25 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[greywardencommander]

noobcannon wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already asked this but got no response.. so.. any news over the weekend? Interviews, new evidence, suspicious tweets?

don't think there was anything new

someone asked something about paragade or renegon in the endings and she said something that was considered cryptic (can't remember what) about the endings but could easily be a genuine reference to how you can play anyway.
two seconds later I asked 'so is it Bled (TIM) or Rue (Anderson)' (i.e. direct to the endings) and got ignored...

[Hunter_Wolf]

greywardencommander wrote...

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

The unfortunate downside now though is any intrigue that was there, is tarnished because of the outcry. EVEN IF the theory was true and Bioware was going to go with it, the people openly against the theory will be convinced that they took it from the fans so it wouldn't be a legit ending in their eyes. Which is unfortunate because even her response is a little sketchy but of course a dev isn't going to spoil their work for you.