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[nyrocron]

greywardencommander wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already asked this but got no response.. so.. any news over the weekend? Interviews, new evidence, suspicious tweets?

don't think there was anything new

someone asked something about paragade or renegon in the endings and she said something that was considered cryptic (can't remember what) about the endings but could easily be a genuine reference to how you can play anyway.
two seconds later I asked 'so is it Bled (TIM) or Rue (Anderson)' (i.e. direct to the endings) and got ignored...

Same goes for @masseffect. You can ask anything and they will almost immediately respond. But as soon as you ask anything regarding indoctrination or validity of the ending you get ignored or are at most told to wait for April.

[greywardencommander]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

The unfortunate downside now though is any intrigue that was there, is tarnished because of the outcry. EVEN IF the theory was true and Bioware was going to go with it, the people openly against the theory will be convinced that they took it from the fans so it wouldn't be a legit ending in their eyes. Which is unfortunate because even her response is a little sketchy but of course a dev isn't going to spoil their work for you.

depends how quickly the dlc comes out after the announcement.
If say it was announced on PAX (6th April) and launched say a week later and what we got was 3 hours+ (just an example but I think any less and it can be claimed rushed together) of DLC (or mass update via patch, xbox live etc) that was based on IT or even just hallucination and was very well polished I'd say 'it was intended', a month just isn't possible (based on the outcry and when it started that's when they'd have to start, e.g. the end of february/beginning of march)
if they announced it and they said yeah it's coming in May or July or something I will say 'they lifted that straight from the fans' polished or not.

[beank]

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

[-Skorpious-]

http://www.forbes.co...e-easy-way-out/

I've been saying this whole time that if anyone is going to get the endings fixed, that it is going to be EA. Bioware is more inclined to stick by their employees, but at the end of the day EA only recognizes one thing - cold, hard cash.

A such, EA likely values the feedback and suggestions of a business giant such as Forbes more than their fanbase, so hopefully Forbes commenting on a fan-made theory opens their eyes to a possibility that many of us have been hoping for since this whole fiasco started.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 25 mars 2012 - 07:32 .

[JustAidan]

greywardencommander wrote...

Denvian wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

One of the best bits of evidence we have from Bioware

Yeah I have a friend who would not even look at IT and then I sent him that tweet and now he is a believer.

this and the fact they're happy to talk directly about spoilers about people dying in game, legion and mordin etc but not the endings? I'm sorry but I smell a rat.

Her tweet to paraphrase 'it's not teleport re. joker & crew want to discuss but want to keep spoiler free'

In other words people dying throughout the game isn't a 'major spoiler' but won't talk specifically about the endings without tweeting back seemingly cryptic clues?

the direct link to this thread

her 'i love this community' etc when someone posted something about ending not being real or not all it seemed. 

Some sort of hallucination idea is right imo even if not indoctrination and Shepard wakes up in a hospital bed having been dragged back from where he got hit and it was a 'near death experience' type hallucination and nothing to do with indoctrination

This theory is more or less the answer and building on it in dlc is 'clarification and explanation' that they keep saying and it needing to be true is only reason I got twitter (worst mistake ever) this theory full stop means I need to get a life because I live on this forum for new evidence, official confirmation etc lol.

Ms Merizan has takened a fair bit of flak from the forums at large as she was one of the few people actually talking while the ending debacle was going on. If she was being allowed/instructed to give hints to the players in case they didn't notice it it would make sense that she was one of the few still being talkative.

@greywardencommander

I know what you mean about enjoying figuring out the ending. Some of my favourite shows have have mysterys or hidden bits you could work out. Higurashi/Umieko, a mind srew murder mystery anime, was great to work through.

So I have really enjoyed this whole thing the same as you, it has been a game in its own right for me =D.


One thing I hated people use against the IT was that it was bad writing at the end. So what, of a 30 hr game 29hrs 50 minutes are excellent and can bring tears to peoples'  eyes but suddenly in the last 10 minutes the writing sudddenly goes to hell? It is possible but not exactly likely.

[squishycrisis]

The thing that I was thinking about is that BioWare is getting most of the crap for this. I think the
community and BioWare should work together, and we should dump all of the crap onto EA.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

It could go something like this:

http://27.media.tumb...d7t6mo1_500.jpg

[noobcannon]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

The unfortunate downside now though is any intrigue that was there, is tarnished because of the outcry. EVEN IF the theory was true and Bioware was going to go with it, the people openly against the theory will be convinced that they took it from the fans so it wouldn't be a legit ending in their eyes. Which is unfortunate because even her response is a little sketchy but of course a dev isn't going to spoil their work for you.

all i can say to those people is...

[greywardencommander]

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

everything else is very cryptic, non committal, PR 101 (use vague words that don't commit) this is one of the first (and only) direct references to 'all is not as it appears' and it's in direct reply to someone asking about the ending (they often outright ignore you or are very non-commital and vague if you mention the endings being something more)

I read that as 'I.T/hallucination is real but they do a better job of explaining it and finding the stuff than I ever could if I was just a fan'

[7egion]

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

The real question is what "it" is refering to

people on the forums are [balling] FAR better than I ever could have

people on the forums are doing [the writing] FAR better than I ever could have

people on the forums are doing [the explianing] FAR better than I ever could have

Personally, I believe that we are much better basketball players than bioware.

Modifié par 7egion, 25 mars 2012 - 07:38 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

It just means they enjoy reading it which could convey a particular interest.

[greywardencommander]

squishycrisis wrote...

The thing that I was thinking about is that BioWare is getting most of the crap for this. I think the
community and BioWare should work together, and we should dump all of the crap onto EA.

That no matter what should be a given

[JustAidan]

7egion wrote...

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

The real question is what "it" is refering to

people on the forums are [balling] FAR better than I ever could have

people on the forums are doing [the writing] FAR better than I ever could have

people on the forums are doing [the explianing] FAR better than I ever could have

It =  last noun, so the "Guardians logic"

Btw this is the SECOND time she has linked directly to this thread.

Of course, she won't be able to spoil the big reveal at pax by answering directly.

Modifié par JustAidan, 25 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[7egion]

JustAidan wrote...

7egion wrote...

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

The real question is what "it" is refering to

people on the forums are [balling] FAR better than I ever could have

people on the forums are doing [the writing] FAR better than I ever could have

people on the forums are doing [the explianing] FAR better than I ever could have

It =  last noun, so the "Guardians logic"

Btw this is the SECOND time she has linked directly to this thread.

people on the forums are doing [Guardians Logic] FAR better than I ever could have? Doesn't make sense.

I still think its about basketball or Tim Tebow

Modifié par 7egion, 25 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[nyrocron]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

It could go something like this:

http://27.media.tumb...d7t6mo1_500.jpg

Want this!
But a little Harby fight and taking back earth for real would be okay too 

Modifié par nyrocron, 25 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[Kanon777]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

How is this a hint? I read this and hear that we have better imaginations....

It just means they enjoy reading it which could convey a particular interest.

That day she started talking alot about indoc theory, and gave STRONG hints she believed it was real. But the next day she said she wasnt going to talk about it anymore for  fear that people would missunderstand her. 

It got me very confused, but i supose she was just messing with us and didnt have a clue of what bioware is actually planning

[SirLugash]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

The unfortunate downside now though is any intrigue that was there, is tarnished because of the outcry. EVEN IF the theory was true and Bioware was going to go with it, the people openly against the theory will be convinced that they took it from the fans so it wouldn't be a legit ending in their eyes. Which is unfortunate because even her response is a little sketchy but of course a dev isn't going to spoil their work for you.

Whether or not those people find a "new" ending legit remains to be seen.
They don't have to hate it necessarily, they would might like it as well.
IF there will be something coming that is.

[greywardencommander]

-Skorpious- wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...e-easy-way-out/

I've been saying this whole time that if anyone is going to get the endings fixed, that it is going to be EA. Bioware is more inclined to stick by their employees, but at the end of the day EA only recognizes one thing - cold, hard cash.

A such, EA likely values the feedback and suggestions of a business giant such as Forbes more than their fanbase, so hopefully Forbes commenting on a fan-made theory opens their eyes to a possibility that many of us have been hoping for since this whole fiasco started.

my point from day 1 (regardless of personal opinion re. intention or not), no matter if it's true or not I.T./hallucination remains the easiest way to appease the fans and give them what they want . An ending they actually don't hate for so many reasons that for the first time in living memory people are saying please charge me more so I can finish the game.

[Denvian]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

So... I'll just put this here...

(No doubt already posted)

What does it say?

the link goes straight to the twitter sign in page for me....

Jessica Merizan[/b]‏@JessicaMerizan
@PaceBreaker23 people on the forums are doing it FAR better than I ever could have: http://social.biowar...-9727423-1.html

a direct link to this very thread

The unfortunate downside now though is any intrigue that was there, is tarnished because of the outcry. EVEN IF the theory was true and Bioware was going to go with it, the people openly against the theory will be convinced that they took it from the fans so it wouldn't be a legit ending in their eyes. Which is unfortunate because even her response is a little sketchy but of course a dev isn't going to spoil their work for you.

Not if they already have plans in the works and are going to reveal them on april 6th.  

[beank]

Im still on the fence about it....

he (she?) is asking for clarification. The link to this post could be a brush off. "I cant give you any clarification. Here is an 880+ topic for you to get lost in till we can give you an answer".

What better way to buy time than to link to a topic that will take days to get your barring on instead of linking to a youtube video that does the same thing in minuets.

If it is a hint, then the game is over, there is nothing left to discuss. She flat out told us that the work done in this post is true....

[JustAidan]

Ah man. Who wants Harby in your head for the last chunk of the game

And just once more


SPAAAACEEE MAGIIIIC!! :wizard:

[earth_angel]

Flash_Death wrote...

First time posting. In ME1 Sovereign says that they build the Citadel and Mass Relays so that galactic society develops along the paths they desire. Then if the God-Child really is in control of the reapers then why did he just not make society develop along different paths so that the reapers would have never been needed? This was the first thing I thought of when I heard his explanation of the reapers. Not only did I not trust him because he was a little kid and couldn't even question him, but he was talking nonsense so I assumed he was lying and picked destroy (since that was what Shepard was trying to do the entire three games) and was hoping for a outcome that made sense. I'll admit I was angry at first, then I found this forum. Just wanted to thank you guys for keeping hope alive.

+1
I think the same.

Also the destroy is about destroying a cable. I do not understand the scientific coherence there.

And I do not see why the normandy get destroyed in the blue ending since it does not destroy a single ship near the citadel !

Surely the end as we know it is some kind of hallucination. I hope it is one created by tim so that we can fight him as a boss (or maybe the last one is harbinger).

[Kazalord2]

Just as a reminder : I hope that you do know that some major stuff about the DLCs from ME2 came from 4chan weeks or even months before the professional journalists/experts could take a look at it. In addition, they were pretty negative on ME3 even before the actual release.

[waldstr18]

greywardencommander wrote...

the point i'm saying is the theory is based no matter what you choose in the end hence why I decided to say what if all along they want us to choose synthesis because it's not destroy (because Harbinger veers you away from it deliberately with the geth and ai even shepard himself) and it's not control (because it's obviously TIM idea and it plays right into their hands, why would I trust someone who says he controls the reapers my enemy saying yeah you'll control the reapers)

re. reading I was referring to my thread (in my signature) which I mentioned many times and that the whole point of it is regardless if it's true IT can work and not punish the person by making all decisions re. colour matter.

I apologise if that wasn't clear and take back everything I said re. not reading when I thought you were ignoring me saying go read what I say properly in my link in my signature because as someone who's doubting the theory or that it can work even if it's not true to fix the endings I would be genuinely interested what you think.

So i retract everything I said regarding you personally and hope you accept my apology that I was thinking you were ignoring me.

It's worth pointing out I don't care if I.T was intended or not I think it's the best 'quick-fix' no matter what. I just use the same basic psychology I apply to the endings to the last 10 minutes alone (because everything else is speculation)

someone should really create an #indoctrination irc channel or something like that.. this thread would be half as long without all the pasted stuff someone else said.

anyhow. apology accepted of course, but i dont think you have to apologize, since even now i havent read all of your theory. i think i see your point, though.

allthought the i.t. might fix the ending, what about the other stuff that could use fixing? like the previously mentioned ardat-yakshi monastery or the blood pack no longer beeing led by krogan. id say leave it as is, just make proper end videos, which explain what happens now. everything could be explained with a few lines of dialog. 

who knows how long you were out after the laser hit you? maybe joker picked up the gang cause they thought earth was lost and all the fleets were about to retreat, leaving just a few ships and hacket behind in hope of someone might have made it to the citadel in the end. maybe they chould show us how they are going to rebuild the mass relays with the knowledge they have won over the years by using reaper tech. i dont know, im pretty much talking out of my lalala... 

i just dont want them to change the citadel / god child scenes, cause contrary to the rest of the fans, i find it fitting. and again, i agree with you the i.t. is the easiest way out. and now back to the part i needed to apologize for: i thought you supported the indoctrination was intended by bioware views, which clearly you are not.

the point i was trying to make, was that it cant be intended indoctrination, when there is the possibility that, if i dont have enough war assets, ill get only the good choice. makes no sense to me. cause why try and indoctrinate me, if in the end, i only get the choice of not being indoctrinated. also if it was intended, and i chose indoctrination, why would bioware not tell us and why would i always get the another shepard story scene after the credits. if i am indocrinated, how can i still save the galaxy?

oh, and another thing. if i am intend to buy dlc to see the real ending, which the i.t. pretty much says, i really have to rethink buying games from bioware in the future. dont get me wrong, if i have to pay for the changed or added ending dlc, im fine with it, cause the fans wanted it changed and bioware cant really be expected to work for free, even though id really appreciate it. but its another thing to intentionally leave the ending out of the game to be sold afterwards.

thats not ok. if that is even going to be the case in future games, i want full disclosure like a sticker saying "ending not included" or something like that.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Denvian wrote...
Not if they already have plans in the works and are going to reveal them on april 6th.  

As nice as it would be to see that happen, you know people wont believe it. Some people, feeling defeated, will still cry foul even if Bioware supplied documentation for all eyes to see where they could read the date and time stamped. They will be convinced that this was a mistake on their part, that this was a spur of the moment and last ditch effort to fix their mess.

I'm expecting it. But just so I can laugh at them for calling them out prior. If it doesn't happen, oh well I was wrong.