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[beank]

Sammuthegreat wrote...
FYI, here are some other tweets where Jessica Merizan hints that IT is true... it's not like the previous tweet I linked is in isolation. There's plenty of other hints.

Then why are we still discussing? If this many "hints" have been droped, then is it not safe to say that Indoc is true, or a least some variant of it?

[HairyMadDog1010]

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...
FYI, here are some other tweets where Jessica Merizan hints that IT is true... it's not like the previous tweet I linked is in isolation. There's plenty of other hints.

Then why are we still discussing? If this many "hints" have been droped, then is it not safe to say that Indoc is true, or a least some variant of it?

Yes, but haters gonna hate.

[monrapias]

http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF bull**** or what? Some of it seems quite interesting, and then alot of it = crap

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

7egion wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

spz123 wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

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@ spz123 : Mass shift and terminator news are troll made. There is no way Bioware would go further in the ideas that made everyone angry (about endings).

You'd think that was obvious. However theres a 60 page thread of people not sure if its real or not with no evidence but some anoynomous post on the internet.

Lot of us are so disappointed / deceived that they tend to belive the unbelievable. The y have been betrayed and lost faith in Bioware. Wether they really intended it or not Bioware succeeded in endoctrinating its fans...

The only evidence the opponents of IT ever present is that the VI couldn't detect indoctrination in shepard. 

And that is quickly dismissed by Jarvik who says their VI could not detect sleeper agnet and as Shepard is still fighting and not aware anything is wrong (and neither is his crew) he quite clearly even lower on the Indoctrination scale than sleeper agent. i mean (if IT is true) his mind is only just starting to crack, the true Indoctrination still ahead.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 25 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[Ziggeh]

You folk are really reading a lot into a statement that amounts to "I like this"

[beank]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

How about this? I posted this a while back but it didn't really get anyone talking, so I'll try again (I prefer this suggestion to greywardencommander's because it means that you're not bound by the decision you take in the Indoc scene to quite the same extent):

Sammuthegreat wrote...

What I would like to see for indoctrinated Shepards is a scene where he turns on his squadmates. Perhaps your reputation could help you here - there could be occasional Paragon/Renegade interrupts where you could "fight back" against the indoctrination, and pull Shepard's gun aside to stop him from killing a squadmate? Perhaps your war assets would determine your fate - the higher the war assets, the more people there are to remind Indoctrinated Shepard of what he was originally fighting for? Perhaps this could make him the first person to successfully break free of indoctrination, or alternatively he could break free just long enough to kill himself, like Saren and TIM in the hallucination, but by sacrificing himself to save the galaxy (e.g. by firing the real Crucible or something similar).

EDIT: the ^above^ in table form:

Chose Destroy with EMS >5000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. All squadmates survive and the reapers are beaten.
Chose Destroy with EMS between 4000 and 5000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. One or two squadmates die.
Chose Destroy with EMS between 3000 and 4000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. One or two squadmates die, plus your love interest if you have one.
Chose Destroy with EMS between 2000 and 3000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. All squadmates, including love interest, die, and Shepard sacrifices himself to beat the reapers. Dire consequences for the Alliance/Earth.
Chose Destroy with EMS <2000 - Shep is not indoctrinated. The endgame proceeds normally. Squaddies and Shepard all die, and reapers win.

Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS >5000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free (after turning on squadmates) and is able to finish the fight.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS between 4000 and 5000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free after killing a squadmate or two, and proceeds to finish the fight. Survives.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS between 3000 and 4000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free after killing a squadmate or two, long enough to sacrifice himself to finish the fight.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS between 2000 and 3000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but breaks free long enough to let a squadmate kill him/kill himself before he does any more damage. Squadmate may finish the fight, but with dire consequences for the Alliance/Earth.
Chose Control/Synthesise with EMS <2000 - Shep is indoctrinated, but fails to break free. He kills most/all of his squadmates, and the reapers win.

This would also allow for the possibility of failure. If your war assets are too low, then you don't break out of indoctrination, and the reapers use you as an agent to bring down the Alliance resistance from within.

i like that this would make war assets mean more.

[nyrocron]

monrapias wrote...

http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF bull**** or what? Some of it seems quite interesting, and then alot of it = crap

A link to this leak was posted some pages back. (At least to the 4chan post) One thing that does absolutely not rational: Shepard needing parts of EDI. If Shep's parts were destroyed then why the hell would EDI's not be destroyed?
Also the person who leaked that would be in serious trouble because of NDA.

Although I like the marriage option 

/edit: I think some of it sounds realistic, but mostly it is just bull****.

Modifié par nyrocron, 25 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[earth_angel]

Tr0n01d wrote...


Wow nearly 900 pages !

has any forum topic gone this far before ?

anyway, all is nice and good, but if the trick is confirmed in the future and bioware did really played us I just hope that the next time they or anyone else wants to play such a trick, the really think
about the "reaper"cushions


Badoum-*tsiiiing*

We are close to april 1st. I feel a DLC release for april's fools

[greywardencommander]

beank wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...


I.T./hallucination (or have you ignored countless posts telling you such by me especially) in this particular thread can be interpreted based on the idea it's the battle of the mind, a hallucination (hence the specific reference) and that Shepard is knocked out on Earth and yet to wake up thus the game is far from over (and we never say that, or at least haven't for a long time hence constant references to DLC and what will happen as a result of your three choices)

I am not questioning what I.T. is about. I understand that the idea behind is that it is not really happening. Sometime between the Arrival and the Harbinger blast Sheperd is fighting Indoc. The events on the Citadel are the psyches way of processing what Indoc is doing to his mind and how his mind is trying to fight it. I dont post in discussion threads with out having background on the topic.

That was never in question from my (most recent) comment.

greywardencommander wrote...
If the endings are as they are at least we've made an attempt to give Bioware the biggest get out of jail free card there is - rewrite ending because the last 10 mins happened nowhere but your mind so you can do what you like when Shepard wakes up thus people who don't like the ending get to be happy they can still influence the endings, those who like the endings might go great lets see what else happens post-script.

So the options are either Indoc or crappy ending? 

greywardencommander wrote...
If you say 'where is all this stuff' I'd say it's scattered all over the 870 pages.....

This was my point in the comment.  870+ pages of stuff to sift through. Linking someone to a thread with that level of content seems to me like a stall tactic instead of giving an answer.

greywardencommander wrote...
Long story short if you don't like the endings GET ON BOARD WE WANT REAL ENDINGS AND THIS MAKES IT HAPPEN WITH DLC BASED ON THIS IDEA,

I like the endings. Bioware is giving us the final choice of deciding what is real and what isnt. Letting us choose to believe IT, accept the ending, or let us fill in something.

Nothing I have posted is in opposition to you guys getting an ending you want. I have only questioned the theory and Bioware PR surrounding it.

I have read the post in your sig and I think that it is a solid idea. But what could give you more choices? A DLC ending that gives you 9+  ending (the only one i dont understand is the first one) or something open-ended like what we have where anyone that plays the game can make something up?

Im all for discussion, but please dont demand that I pick a side....

That's what I mean and have done all along re. fix the endings movement is either change it completely (very hard to do and impossible and imo not right to ask any gaming company, delete that last 10 mins and change it) or use this (waking up having been indocrinated or not) to make it so people still get all the same endings (destroy, synthesis and control) in the end but you get a wide range of happy to sad with bittersweet thrown in based on your decisions (including current one at end) such as you HAVE to have reconciled the Geth and Quarian to use it to challenge the VI. Which in my idea is because the hallucination is a trick but based on reality, the crucible does something that harms them in some way such as lets down all their shield based on dark energy idea that Drew came out and said or whatever. Maybe including synthesis and control (particularly) the former is to get you to subtly align with them like Saren & TIM, i.e. the suggestion destroy is bad because it destroys yourself and the Geth. Maybe you can continue the cycle because you want to control or see synthesis is the idea and maybe that's what previous races have done (all these ideas are based on that IDT is real but they still work if not in my opinion to fix the ending without admitting they got stuff wrong or backtracking)

They're all just ideas from a writing point of view on how to make it work so every decision (especially your final one) matters not this is what will happen or should happen.

I'm not demanding you pick a side at all. To justify myself previous experience has dictated otherwise everyone saying that this won't work (even with genuine points) has either said I.D.T can't work because he's either controlled or not end of (and ignore us when we suggest otherwise even using indoctrination in reality such as in my thread about the psychology) or say that I.D.T can't work because we're saying the endings are brilliant as they are and that's just not on (missing the point about it being in the mind completely and that you wake up on earth) a few times they've then said actually now I realise that's what you mean and you're not retconning the ending you're making it work regardless of final choice thus not punishing giving lots of variety etc. They don't even address the idea that if it's done we could have so much variety from Shep indoctrinated to not indoctrinated, kills himself, sacrifices himself, lives and whoop happy ending to Reapers win we're all doomed the cycle continues.

Edit: I think in this case over this evening something has been lost in translation (from my end) and I didn't convey my points enough or even what stance I was taking so when you questioned what I was saying I thought you were doing so on the basis of those two camps. So as I already have done on that very basis, I apologise.
To anyone else I inadvertently did the same too but based on all the stuff we've given you to 'convince' you, people were still saying stuff like 'yeah but he could still survive the explosion and the reentry to earth because of his synthetics' despite that very ending destroying all synthetic life including Shepard (who is part synthetic life) in the only ending that suggest something's up with that last sequence and thus what Starchild says isn't necessarily true.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 25 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[dorktainian]

DLC gonna suck the remaining cash out your wallet for an ending you thought you'd already paid for.....


mmwwaaaaahhhaaaaaaahhaaaaaaa

[greywardencommander]

beank wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...
FYI, here are some other tweets where Jessica Merizan hints that IT is true... it's not like the previous tweet I linked is in isolation. There's plenty of other hints.

Then why are we still discussing? If this many "hints" have been droped, then is it not safe to say that Indoc is true, or a least some variant of it?

 that's what's been happening with people still coming out and saying it's not true even with all that (that's why i took the stance I reference in my post above) so again I apologise for stereotyping you based on previous for want of a better word 'trolls' that don't like IDT because they think we like the endings as they are (which is true if it's deliberate and real endings to come) or for other reasons they usually just say 'it's impossible' and use logic like he is alive based on his synthetics (which have just been destroyed if you take starchild as telling the truth)

Thus please accept my humblest apology for thinking you were doing the same and feel free to internet hit my forehead

Modifié par greywardencommander, 25 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[monrapias]

[quote]nyrocron wrote...

[quote]monrapias wrote...



/edit: I think some of it sounds realistic, but mostly it is just bull****.

[/quote] yeah, I were thinking the same thing.

[NikolaiShade]

Sorry guys, it seems like the usual suspect stroke again

https://twitter.com/...019487819960321

I may be mistaken but "real"?

[Kyzee]

NikolaiShade wrote...

Sorry guys, it seems like the usual suspect stroke again

https://twitter.com/...019487819960321

I may be mistaken but "real"?

HA! Lord, how I love her! 

[Stigweird85]

funny choice of words. Why "real" why not right or correct. She had characters remaining so not just a twiiter shorthand

[Riverseer]

NikolaiShade wrote...

Sorry guys, it seems like the usual suspect stroke again

https://twitter.com/...019487819960321

I may be mistaken but "real"?

awww you beat me to it.
she has been dropping the most useful hints

[nyrocron]

She's probably just reading this thread and fools us

[greywardencommander]

She is single handedly that regardless of everything else the only thing that maintains my belief that IT or some sort of hallucination is deliberate regardless of any other evidence thrown around on this forum.

[Riverseer]

nyrocron wrote...

She's probably just reading this thread and fools us

to be honest with how much anger their is over the endings would anyone risk fooling any one?

[Henkovich]

 http://i42.tinypic.com/2r3c7zk.jpg 

this is on the prothean ruins on Eletania, just thought it seemed interesting.

[Denvian]

nyrocron wrote...

She's probably just reading this thread and fools us

That would be so mean... The kittens would cry

[JustAidan]

Kyzee wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

Sorry guys, it seems like the usual suspect stroke again

https://twitter.com/...019487819960321

I may be mistaken but "real"?

HA! Lord, how I love her! 

Ha, yeah this is such a tease; now we just have to wait till an official annoucement come out in April.

[Stigweird85]

Henkovich wrote...

 http://i42.tinypic.com/2r3c7zk.jpg 

this is on the prothean ruins on Eletania, just thought it seemed interesting.

Yeah I remember discovering that. Don't think it has any real bearing on anything. Javik does mention that his kind were studying humans before the war with the reapers started

[beank]

greywardencommander wrote...
I think in this case over this evening something has been lost in translation (from my end) and I didn't convey my points enough or even what stance I was taking so when you questioned what I was saying I thought you were doing so on the basis of those two camps. So as I already have done on that very basis, I apologise.

I should apologize as well. I never fully stated my views on the theory.

And I will apologize. reguarless of how things sound, the tones that I used should not be in topics about discussion.

I apologize.

I think the ending of the game is exactly as bioware wanted it. Vague. That give the comunity the ability to create things like I.T. and the ability to provide counter points to it.

Ending DLC will only add to the choices avalible, however I still think that it was kind of cool that Bioware made an ending that gave ue enough room to create these theories.

What I ment by your 9+ or Sammuthegreat's 10+ vs. the ending as it is now was that if Bioware gives us X amount of ending based on I.T. (or whatever they can cook up) then that X is all we have. It may be naieve of my, but I like to think that with the ending as it is now Bioware gave us the oportunity to create nearly limitless options for the ending depending on what all information or assumptions we make from the Ending sequence.

However, with the tweets, its hard to just look at the ending as being "the end"....


Or it could just be that the Stargazer in the post credits scene is just a bad story teller.....

Modifié par beank, 25 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[Denvian]

I had someone tell me that they took my name down and when April comes around and IDT turns out to be false he is going to rub my face in it with a long "I told you so" message.

I really have no idea what I have done to ****** him off... I thought I have been very civil and yet people are still acting like tools.