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[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

It's like people aren't grasping the concept that IDT theory is not saying that what we have now are acceptable endings. It saying that the endings are yet to come. IDT theory is a stepping stone to get TO those endings.

Seriously. Its like for some reason they think we'd all be fine if Bioware came out and said 'Yup it was a hallucination, but we're not going to ever release anything to actually finish the story. The game ends before the war is over.'

The strangest thing is that they are pushing for that to be true.  

InDoc Believer - "Hey maybe they were trying to do this with the story and maybe they are going to add more..."

Tool McNerdface - "NOOOO that's not true Bioware is just a bunch of big stupids that don't know how to write ya big stupid!"

InDoc Believer - "but maybe..."

McNerdface - "Nooo ya crazy stupid!"

It's like even if it's not true we've given them the biggest 'here you go take that see how it test drives' to fix their current predicament you could dream of as a developer...

[greywardencommander]

Denvian wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

It's like people aren't grasping the concept that IDT theory is not saying that what we have now are acceptable endings. It saying that the endings are yet to come. IDT theory is a stepping stone to get TO those endings.

Seriously. Its like for some reason they think we'd all be fine if Bioware came out and said 'Yup it was a hallucination, but we're not going to ever release anything to actually finish the story. The game ends before the war is over.'

The strangest thing is that they are pushing for that to be true.  

InDoc Believer - "Hey maybe they were trying to do this with the story and maybe they are going to add more..."

Tool McNerdface - "NOOOO that's not true Bioware is just a bunch of big stupids that don't know how to write ya big stupid!"

InDoc Believer - "but maybe..."

McNerdface - "Nooo ya crazy stupid!"

It's like even if it's not true we've given them the biggest 'here you go take that see how it test drives' to fix their current predicament you could dream of as a developer...

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

[Denvian]

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

The part when Buzz Aldrin says, "One day my sweet" is just freaking creepy.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

It would not be their fault.  Someone put a wall of stupidity in their way throughout this section.  I mean, seriously, they are all controlled by a creepy AI that just happens to take the form of a kid Shepard saw "die"?  And the reason for their existence is so they, synthetics, can destroy all sapient organic life every 50,000 years so it won't be killed by synthetics?  That was just stupid.  The Anderson/TIM scene was fine, but the star-brat and everything he said, that was raw stupidity.

[Golferguy758]

Honestly, I thought the stargazer scene was more of a fourth wall ending. That or something that occurs regardless of ending. Kind of like. Say the ending was a series of events. Currently it is progressing in the form A, B, C, D. A is the talk with TIM and Anderson, B is the choices, C is the stupid plothole mess, and D is the Stargazer scene.

What if the Stargazer wasn't D at all. It could be E. So currently we would have ABCE as the storyline progression at the end. D is made up of the actual endings that come about. This would make it so it flows ABCDE.

Currently D is missing, but the story can still flow because E comes after C. We are just missing D currently.

[FellishBeast]

greywardencommander wrote...

Denvian wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

It's like people aren't grasping the concept that IDT theory is not saying that what we have now are acceptable endings. It saying that the endings are yet to come. IDT theory is a stepping stone to get TO those endings.

Seriously. Its like for some reason they think we'd all be fine if Bioware came out and said 'Yup it was a hallucination, but we're not going to ever release anything to actually finish the story. The game ends before the war is over.'

The strangest thing is that they are pushing for that to be true.  

InDoc Believer - "Hey maybe they were trying to do this with the story and maybe they are going to add more..."

Tool McNerdface - "NOOOO that's not true Bioware is just a bunch of big stupids that don't know how to write ya big stupid!"

InDoc Believer - "but maybe..."

McNerdface - "Nooo ya crazy stupid!"

It's like even if it's not true we've given them the biggest 'here you go take that see how it test drives' to fix their current predicament you could dream of as a developer...

All of this. I was considering making a post addressing this misconception. People don't want to be convinced so they don't look into the whole theory. Just enough to bash it.

[McAlternate009]

I apologize if this has already been discussed but something occurred to me today and I thought it could possibly(or maybe just hopefully) be significant.

I noticed that in the response to the fans written by Dr. Muzyka on the 21st of March there was only a single word italicized in the entire letter.

TRUST

Could this be a subtle message that a plan(perhaps THE plan) has been in place all along?  It is an admittedly small chance but at this point even false hope is better than none at all.  Again, sorry if this is a rehash but I was just wondering.  Back to lurk-mode. 

Edit - Sorry, first time posting on a iPad and having issues with the link. Blog is stickied in "General Discussion".

Modifié par McAlternate009, 26 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[JTP117]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

Was that a Red vs Blue homage there at the end? I think agent Washington would be happy to see that.

Modifié par JTP117, 26 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[Dwailing]

JTP117 wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

Was that a Red vs Blue homage there at the end? I think agent Washington would be happy to see that.

It was.  I tried to reply with the follow up line, but I'm not sure if I made it fit.  Of course, given the context, it is a little hard to fit the response.

[byne]

JTP117 wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

Was that a Red vs Blue homage there at the end? I think agent Washington would be happy to see that.

It was indeed! I wondered if anyone would notice it.

[savagejuicebox]

Kyzee wrote...

Baltar2009 wrote...

Denvian wrote...

Baltar2009 wrote...

 Well I'm not going to wade through ~900 pages of posts but I will add my $0.02.

My principle objection to the indoctrination theory, even before questioning what appears to be pretty clear pattern seeking, is this:

If the intent really was to close the trilogy with a hallucination, and therefore not actually resolve the conflict sprawling across three games...shame on the writers of such an ending.  It is still every bit as bad as if the ending we have now were actually the literal ending, which I'm 99% sure it is.

QED.

I think the interesting part about the Indoc theory is people noticed the pattern before they had a theory for it.  I noticed everything that was pointed out but I could not put my finger on why it was out of place or what the significance of these things were.

And that would suck if they did not end up resolving things...

It is only 'interesting' in the same way 9/11 truthers are 'interesting'.

Okay, people who support IT and 9/11 conspiracy theorists are no where near the same thing. There's no need to sink to that level here. Let's keep it civil and discuss, not mock or belittle each other, all right?

Im starting to smell troll....<_<

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

Was that a Red vs Blue homage there at the end? I think agent Washington would be happy to see that.

It was indeed! I wondered if anyone would notice it.

Speaking of RvB, does anyone else think that after the blast from Harbinger's beam Shepard is thinking something to the effect of, "I can't feel my torso." 

[americanidiot53]

Just a quick question. I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if the whole ending was real and the player picked to destroy all synthetics, then wouldn't Shepard have died because his synthetic implants were destroyed? Or no because that's not really synthetic life?

[savagejuicebox]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Honestly, I thought the stargazer scene was more of a fourth wall ending. That or something that occurs regardless of ending. Kind of like. Say the ending was a series of events. Currently it is progressing in the form A, B, C, D. A is the talk with TIM and Anderson, B is the choices, C is the stupid plothole mess, and D is the Stargazer scene.

What if the Stargazer wasn't D at all. It could be E. So currently we would have ABCE as the storyline progression at the end. D is made up of the actual endings that come about. This would make it so it flows ABCDE.

Currently D is missing, but the story can still flow because E comes after C. We are just missing D currently.

Yes, my sentiments exactly.

[Dwailing]

americanidiot53 wrote...

Just a quick question. I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if the whole ending was real and the player picked to destroy all synthetics, then wouldn't Shepard have died because his synthetic implants were destroyed? Or no because that's not really synthetic life?

Well, part of the theory is that since Shepard survives in the Destroy ending (If you have an effective military strength of over 4,000; 5,000 if you don't kill TIM before he shoots Anderson), that whole scene after Harbinger hits Shepard with the beam is just the Reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard. 

Edit: You know, since Star-Brat says Shepard may die as well as all synthetic life thanks to his implants.  It would seem that Star-Brat is trying to make the Destroy option the worst option.

Modifié par Dwailing, 26 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[Lyria]

NikolaiShade wrote...

tomhagen27 wrote...

http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg

probably already in this thread but if it isn't have a look. be warned, red part is spoiler-free, the blue parts show the future of the mass effect series (from what i have heard, will no read. i hate spoilers)

If I'm not mistaken this comes from the same source (4chan) as "The Truth" DLC.
There are some minor and major inconsistencies but, at this time, all is possible.
To quote a wise vampire: the coin is still turning.

A Legacy of Kain reference? You sir are my hero.

I really hope the terminator dlc is real if IT isn't a possibility.

At least there would be some "closure."

[Golferguy758]

savagejuicebox wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Honestly, I thought the stargazer scene was more of a fourth wall ending. That or something that occurs regardless of ending. Kind of like. Say the ending was a series of events. Currently it is progressing in the form A, B, C, D. A is the talk with TIM and Anderson, B is the choices, C is the stupid plothole mess, and D is the Stargazer scene.

What if the Stargazer wasn't D at all. It could be E. So currently we would have ABCE as the storyline progression at the end. D is made up of the actual endings that come about. This would make it so it flows ABCDE.

Currently D is missing, but the story can still flow because E comes after C. We are just missing D currently.

Yes, my sentiments exactly.

I was sad no one picked up on that and wasn't sure if i was clear enough. haha

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Speaking of RvB, does anyone else think that after the blast from Harbinger's beam Shepard is thinking something to the effect of, "I can't feel my torso." 

Man, Shepard saying a Caboose line reminds me of this video Joel (the voice of Caboose) made.

[MasterDracoStoc]

One thing in particular that bothered me about the final talk with GodChild was the background. There were 3 ships (I think Alliance Cruisers.) just floating around not attacking. There was also a Reaper extremely close to them, also just floating around shooting laser beams at empty space. Why?

[greywardencommander]

Wailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

ME3endingsucks2 wrote...

I see no one cares about my revelation lol

Well, I just generally try to pretend the epilogue with the old man and the child never even happened.

I like that even less than I like the endings, if that is possible.

If we assume the endings are true, people forgetting Shepard was just a regular person, and treating her like some kind of deity, calling her 'The Shepard' just really annoys me.

I'm wondering if that scene was an example of the Reapers appealing to Shepard's pride.

Man, if it was, they failed miserably there. My Shepard multiple times stated she didnt want soldiers looking at her as being any different from them. The Reapers trying to appeal to her by implying people would view her as basically a deity would be like their biggest miscalculation ever. Of all time.

It would not be their fault.  Someone put a wall of stupidity in their way throughout this section.  I mean, seriously, they are all controlled by a creepy AI that just happens to take the form of a kid Shepard saw "die"?  And the reason for their existence is so they, synthetics, can destroy all sapient organic life every 50,000 years so it won't be killed by synthetics?  That was just stupid.  The Anderson/TIM scene was fine, but the star-brat and everything he said, that was raw stupidity.

I'm on my phone (hence typos and formatting problems etc) and why I find it hard to follow but I did explain like how Varric is used in DA2 for unreliable framed narrative (and is pointed out) in game which can be used to account for omissions, inconsistencies etc by making it because he wasn't there, fabrication based on fact etc so it begs the question how does he know all that stuff that happened on the citadel? (This applies to endings as they are?) He'd have to be Shep, TIM, Anderson or the starchild surely. So that in itself (both ways deliberately and if IDT is false) can be a hint that either that end scene was bunch of bs based on legend so who knows what happened or that some variation of that scene did happen but it's not the full story so needs to be expanded on (future dlc etc).
It's supportive both ways it's interpretation
I personally say that this supports IDT even if they came out and explained the endings and said ME 3.5 or hell even 4 (Assassins creed style) based on it and even mainly the idea of hallucinations I'd still be like well this theory was more or less right in the end
If not well I'm fully prepared to accept giving them too much credit and reading too much into it but imo a 'breaking the 4th wall' both in terms of interactive gaming thus it's the player too IS pretty unique and all the stuff pointing to it means no matter what this will be my head canon to put myself through more playthroughs to see how being Renegade turns out re. the geth, different LI's etc

Modifié par greywardencommander, 26 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[Dwailing]

protognosis wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

tomhagen27 wrote...

http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg

probably already in this thread but if it isn't have a look. be warned, red part is spoiler-free, the blue parts show the future of the mass effect series (from what i have heard, will no read. i hate spoilers)

If I'm not mistaken this comes from the same source (4chan) as "The Truth" DLC.
There are some minor and major inconsistencies but, at this time, all is possible.
To quote a wise vampire: the coin is still turning.

A Legacy of Kain reference? You sir are my hero.

I really hope the terminator dlc is real if IT isn't a possibility.

At least there would be some "closure."

I really hope that this is just an elaborate hoax.  If not... well, at least there would be closure.

[ContraMan]

McAlternate009 wrote...

I apologize if this has already been discussed but something occurred to me today and I thought it could possibly(or maybe just hopefully) be significant.

I noticed that in the response to the fans written by Dr. Muzyka on the 21st of March there was only a single word italicized in the entire letter.

TRUST

Could this be a subtle message that a plan(perhaps THE plan) has been in place all along?  It is an admittedly small chance but at this point even false hope is better than none at all.  Again, sorry if this is a rehash but I was just wondering.  Back to lurk-mode. 

Edit - Sorry, first time posting on a iPad and having issues with the link. Blog is stickied in "General Discussion".

This would also come into context with Mike Gamble saying [snip]"... Seriously, if you knew all the stuff we were planning... you'd we'll - hold on to your copy of ME3 forever."

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Speaking of RvB, does anyone else think that after the blast from Harbinger's beam Shepard is thinking something to the effect of, "I can't feel my torso." 

Man, Shepard saying a Caboose line reminds me of this video Joel (the voice of Caboose) made.

I remember that video.  So funny.  I really hope Rooster Teeth makes a Marauder Shield machinima, it would be so funny.  And, like one guy put it before, Joel could voice a husk.  That would be great.