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[bredmo]

First post, I've been reading a lot about IT and I'm a true believer. There are 2 things that may not have been mentioned yet that just came to my mind.

People wonder why there's a beam from Earth to the Citadel. Perhaps it is bait to funnel Shepard into one area so that Harbinger may confront him.

Also, what happens to the huge circular hole in the Citadel when the arms close? Could a ship fly through?
If the beam was just bait, then you'd expect it to be destroyed after Harbinger was done luring Shepard with it. Then maybe the Citadel Defense Force would somehow open the arms long enough for Shepard to get through (maybe Reaper forces close them back up and you have to fight through them and have a real confrontation with TIM).

When the relays fire and you see the Galaxy map, try to trace out where it originates and where it travels on another galaxy map with all the connections (of course there are those inactive relays to account for). From my first comparison: 

Local Cluster
Exodus Cluster (Eden Prime)
Serpent Nebula (Citadel).
Horse Head Nebula (Noveria)

This is probably not intended and this a weak idea, but it's almost as if the path matches Shepard's path at the beginning of Mass Effect 1, I don't know where he came from when heading to Eden Prime, but after Eden Prime he goes to the Citadel, then, if you chose so, Noveria

[Wabajakka]

A couple of pretty significant Matrix quotes to think about that easily relate to the end, considering Walters wanted to reference the first Matrix in the end as seen in the final hours app. Interesting connections it has to the theory really.

Also, considering Neo "dies" at the end and comes back/wakes up with more understanding of what he needs to do and what he is.

"You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes." -Morpheus

"I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you." - Neo

Modifié par Orange Tee, 26 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Flapperrr wrote...



Planet of Zorya (Limit Ismar) mission of the help to Zaid.

Hey what exactly is the screenshot proving or disproving? Just curious? could that be the potential paradise planet the normandy crashes on?

[Flapperrr]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...



Planet of Zorya (Limit Ismar) mission of the help to Zaid.

Hey what exactly is the screenshot proving or disproving? Just curious? could that be the potential paradise planet the normandy crashes on?

Similarity is, it to that, as the planet was taken from memory.

[n00bsauce2010]

DuskRose wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
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Agreed, n00bsauce.  If there's one thing BioWare writers love to do, it's mess with the player's head mid to end story

Is that sarcasm? If it indeed isn't then thanks. If it isn't.. then all I can simply ask you is what your statement means?

Not sarcasm.  Keyboard's broken so I have a hard time typing.

But BioWare loves pulling story twists that seemingly come from nowhere, but make sense when you look back at them. For example:

Spoilers

Jade Empire: Throughout the first part of the game people keep telling you there's something odd about your martial arts style.  Why? B/c the man who raised you wanted to leave weaknesses in your defenses so he could kill you when you had served your purpose. Which he did.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: Boom, you're Revan.

I guess I'm just saying BioWare has a history of player punches.   Planning on Shepard being Indoctrinated seems par for the course.

Sadly i didn't get to play them. Obviously xbox owners were blessed with a really good dev then. I was a ps2 fanboy myself. Thats aside if those are major and unexpected plot twists, obviously the people who dislike me3 ending don't realize those examples are there. I'm glad you bring that up though. If it's true it's just more evidence pointing towards INDOC theory.

[Junthor]

By the Goddess, I am a believer.

Modifié par Junthor, 26 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Flapperrr wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...



Planet of Zorya (Limit Ismar) mission of the help to Zaid.

Hey what exactly is the screenshot proving or disproving? Just curious? could that be the potential paradise planet the normandy crashes on?

Similarity is, it to that, as the planet was taken from memory.

I see two moons. It makes sense. Nice job on that. Are there any other jungle planets besides this one that has two moons?

[Martukis]

bredmo wrote...

First post, I've been reading a lot about IT and I'm a true believer. There are 2 things that may not have been mentioned yet that just came to my mind.

People wonder why there's a beam from Earth to the Citadel. Perhaps it is bait to funnel Shepard into one area so that Harbinger may confront him.

Also, what happens to the huge circular hole in the Citadel when the arms close? Could a ship fly through?
If the beam was just bait, then you'd expect it to be destroyed after Harbinger was done luring Shepard with it. Then maybe the Citadel Defense Force would somehow open the arms long enough for Shepard to get through (maybe Reaper forces close them back up and you have to fight through them and have a real confrontation with TIM).

When the relays fire and you see the Galaxy map, try to trace out where it originates and where it travels on another galaxy map with all the connections (of course there are those inactive relays to account for). From my first comparison: 

Local Cluster
Exodus Cluster (Eden Prime)
Serpent Nebula (Citadel).
Horse Head Nebula (Noveria)

This is probably not intended and this a weak idea, but it's almost as if the path matches Shepard's path at the beginning of Mass Effect 1, I don't know where he came from when heading to Eden Prime, but after Eden Prime he goes to the Citadel, then, if you chose so, Noveria

 From what I've seen, the pulse seems to originate closer to the Viper Nebula than the Local Cluster - I saw it what, 150 pages back? But otherwise, it seems likely.

[mdp310]

"You are Revan" was an awesome twist, it really made a great game even better.

"Everything you know is wrong and you have to blow up the galaxy" is a pretty crappy twist.

[n00bsauce2010]

mdp310 wrote...

"You are Revan" was an awesome twist, it really made a great game even better.

"Everything you know is wrong and you have to blow up the galaxy" is a pretty crappy twist.

The twist is that you're indoctrinated... only meaning the real ending isn't there.

[bredmo]

Martukis wrote...

bredmo wrote...

First post, I've been reading a lot about IT and I'm a true believer. There are 2 things that may not have been mentioned yet that just came to my mind.

People wonder why there's a beam from Earth to the Citadel. Perhaps it is bait to funnel Shepard into one area so that Harbinger may confront him.

Also, what happens to the huge circular hole in the Citadel when the arms close? Could a ship fly through?
If the beam was just bait, then you'd expect it to be destroyed after Harbinger was done luring Shepard with it. Then maybe the Citadel Defense Force would somehow open the arms long enough for Shepard to get through (maybe Reaper forces close them back up and you have to fight through them and have a real confrontation with TIM).

When the relays fire and you see the Galaxy map, try to trace out where it originates and where it travels on another galaxy map with all the connections (of course there are those inactive relays to account for). From my first comparison: 

Local Cluster
Exodus Cluster (Eden Prime)
Serpent Nebula (Citadel).
Horse Head Nebula (Noveria)

This is probably not intended and this a weak idea, but it's almost as if the path matches Shepard's path at the beginning of Mass Effect 1, I don't know where he came from when heading to Eden Prime, but after Eden Prime he goes to the Citadel, then, if you chose so, Noveria

 From what I've seen, the pulse seems to originate closer to the Viper Nebula than the Local Cluster - I saw it what, 150 pages back? But otherwise, it seems likely.

Viper Nebula was with the Alpha Relay right?
Wouldn't make sense that it originates from that, unless it shows the path of the Reapers or is somehow symbolic of Shepard. I have a map of the paths up, and although the Viper Nebula isn't shown, it still looks pretty similar to Local - Exodus - Serpent  
after that I'm not too sure

[JTP117]

mdp310 wrote...

"You are Revan" was an awesome twist, it really made a great game even better.

"Everything you know is wrong and you have to blow up the galaxy" is a pretty crappy twist.

"Eeeeeeeeeeeevery thing you know is wrong. Black is white, up is down and short is long. And everything you thought was just so important doesn't matter." Now I have weird Al stuck in my head lol

[n00bsauce2010]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...



Planet of Zorya (Limit Ismar) mission of the help to Zaid.

Hey what exactly is the screenshot proving or disproving? Just curious? could that be the potential paradise planet the normandy crashes on?

Similarity is, it to that, as the planet was taken from memory.

I see two moons. It makes sense. Nice job on that. Are there any other jungle planets besides this one that has two moons?

Also if we're assuming the stargazer and child are on the same planet that the normandy crashes on then it for sure makes sense. The size in the moons is nearly identical. Just looked at the normandy scene, nearly identical size in the moons. But the placement is off a bit in the normandy scene (which is probably due to the moons revolving around one another)

[mdp310]

My first thought was Zorya too.

Which is funny, because the codex says Zorya sucks. Gives everyone who moved there horrible allergies.

And i totally subscribe to Indoctrination. It's a freaking amazing theory, I just hope BW follows through with it.

[LadyVakarian]

 Since we are back to the topic of "Where does the beam start?" on the galaxy map, I thought I would bring back my pictures and comparisons for you all. It looks like the beam starts in the Viper Nebula (Arrival DLC anyone?) and doesn't reach the Local Cluster for quite a while. I will include the video I suppose to back it up but here is my contribution:




And finally, the link: http://youtu.be/6AdWqlsQjWo?t=2m 

Enjoy 

[masster blaster]

We all just going to have to wait until Bioware's Pax thing on April 6. And if their plan is to only to fill in why the Normandy/Catalyst in the new DLC then go luck on getting back hundreds of thousands of players back on your side.I'm just saying.

[n00bsauce2010]

LadyVakarian wrote...

 Since we are back to the topic of "Where does the beam start?" on the galaxy map, I thought I would bring back my pictures and comparisons for you all. It looks like the beam starts in the Viper Nebula (Arrival DLC anyone?) and doesn't reach the Local Cluster for quite a while. I will include the video I suppose to back it up but here is my contribution:




And finally, the link: http://youtu.be/6AdWqlsQjWo?t=2m 

Enjoy 

Amazing job on this one man. Just some more evidence. So viper nebula was the alpha relay? the one that is destroyed?

[LadyVakarian]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

 Since we are back to the topic of "Where does the beam start?" on the galaxy map, I thought I would bring back my pictures and comparisons for you all. It looks like the beam starts in the Viper Nebula (Arrival DLC anyone?) and doesn't reach the Local Cluster for quite a while. I will include the video I suppose to back it up but here is my contribution:

And finally, the link: http://youtu.be/6AdWqlsQjWo?t=2m 

Enjoy 

Amazing job on this one ma'am. Just some more evidence. So viper nebula was the alpha relay? the one that is destroyed?

Yes the Alpha Relay was in the Viper Nebula. Spectulation, speculation EVERYWHERE 

[n00bsauce2010]

LadyVakarian wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

 Since we are back to the topic of "Where does the beam start?" on the galaxy map, I thought I would bring back my pictures and comparisons for you all. It looks like the beam starts in the Viper Nebula (Arrival DLC anyone?) and doesn't reach the Local Cluster for quite a while. I will include the video I suppose to back it up but here is my contribution:

And finally, the link: http://youtu.be/6AdWqlsQjWo?t=2m 

Enjoy 

Amazing job on this one ma'am. Just some more evidence. So viper nebula was the alpha relay? the one that is destroyed?

Yes the Alpha Relay was in the Viper Nebula. Spectulation, speculation EVERYWHERE 

I'm sorry i realized as soon as i posted it that your name said lady. Sincerely.. my apologies.

[Coralie]

LadyVakarian wrote...

 Since we are back to the topic of "Where does the beam start?" on the galaxy map, I thought I would bring back my pictures and comparisons for you all. It looks like the beam starts in the Viper Nebula (Arrival DLC anyone?) and doesn't reach the Local Cluster for quite a while. I will include the video I suppose to back it up but here is my contribution:

*snip*

And finally, the link: http://youtu.be/6AdWqlsQjWo?t=2m 

Enjoy 

My hat's off to you. That's a pretty impressive catch.

[LadyVakarian]

@n00bsauce2010: Just messin with you 
@Coralie: Why thank you! I am just a firm believer in this and anything I can find to contribute makes it worth while to practically live on this thread... I am so lonely lol   <_<

To go along with my not so well placed Toy Story reference above: 

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 26 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[Highlord Heian]

If this is the case, it's more or less as big, if not a bigger, cheat than the ending we see.

We were promised a conclusion. Promised answers. Promised an ending that depended on our choices.

What we got was still a rushed, non-interactive slop bucket with three colors of goo. Even if you can excuse it with the "Indoctrination Theory", it's still the ONLY ENDING. No variations. Your choices mean absolutely nothing to this shallow ending they've thrown at us.

Paragon for three games? Renegade for three games? Doesn't matter! Same ending.

And this upcoming DLC, it packing a "real ending" would be such a sincere insult if they dared ask people to pay for it. Indoctrination or no, people want a real ending. They want more than ONE ending.

[n00bsauce2010]

LadyVakarian wrote...

@n00bsauce2010: Just messin with you 
@Coralie: Why thank you! I am just a firm believer in this and anything I can find to contribute makes it worth while to practically live on this thread... I am so lonely lol   <_<

The indoctrination theory is real. And anyone who denies it is well... in denial. No hope for them IMO.

The devs put these clues in here for a reason. They linked it to the previous two games because they wanted us to find it and speculate (so in theory they reached the goal of "lots of speculation") The evidence gets stronger each day in my opinion. Also does anyone know of any other planets that have two moons? with a jungle-like appearance similar to that of zorya or the one in the normandy crash site.

[Coralie]

So that's interesting. The mass relay explosion seems to follow the spread of the Reaper invasion then, starting with the batarians in the Viper Nebula and then heading to Earth...