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[surleygentelman]

Actually I never said I like the endingd(read before you post your indignation) and the IT theory is beyond moronic as well. What observation states is people who clearly don't understand the endings are demanding someone else change their idea of else that is bullying pure and simple.

[spz123]

surleygentelman wrote...

Actually BIOWARE probably just wanted people to buy the Damn game and wait for any DLC.

Nope, if the ME "Final Hours" app is correct they really did want "Lots of speculation for everyone".

I also can't see how noone talking about their product would have been an outcome that they desired. If noone cared and they did want to release ending DLC, there would not be a market for said DLC.

If all this speculation offends you so much, wait till we've heard a defintive statement from Bioware or avoid any threads on the subject.

[Vahilor]

Nice, 90% of all people are to dumb to understand the endings than, cause they are complaining ;P

[Martukis]

I'm reading through the end sequence in http://mod.gib.me/ma...3/testdump2.txt under header biod_end002_400guardian_loc_int.end003_catalyst_m_D.end003_catalyst_m_dlg , and I noticed somethings of interest - what has me piqued is that the line "Including the mass relays" is based upon a condition being met. It is listed as "Conditional_1296 (-1)." Not exactly sure what it means, or some of the other conditions. But Conditional_1292 (-1) seems to largely determine whether the Catalyst tends toward talking down/insulting you, or trying to be persuasive instead. Conditional 2199 seems to determine whether the Catalyst thinks you're leaning toward Control or Destroy. Anyway, I thought it was interesting, and perhaps it might point toward IDT - after all, the catalyst seems to lean toward taking an approach your Shep tends to respond to (force meets force, diplomacy meets diplomacy) and to favor Synthesis whenever it is possible.

[surleygentelman]

Again, its not the speculations that "offend" me its the total lack of respect that is being shown. I mean none of the people (myself included) have the ability to write something as well crafted as the ME franchise has been..

[Earthborn_Shepard]

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
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@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 26 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[Erethrian]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
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@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

Indoctrination Theory anyone?  I love her more every day. Haha.

[Vahilor]

Most here agree that the whole ME games are really really good, exept of the last 10 minutes in the third game. Most people here even say that it is genius if BW has planed all that IDT stuff... that's no insulting or disrespect.

And to be honest, the last 10 minutes are really bad written in comparison to the rest of the games (if that were really the intendend and true endings).

[spz123]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
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@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

As long as posts like this keep coming from people affiliated with Bioware, this theory isn't going away.

[Stigweird85]

@Vahilor Where did you get that statistic from? Have you surveyed every single player of the game?

Recent estimates show 3.5millions copies sold in the first few days. Even the various petitions online don't reach this number combined and I suspect some may have voted in multiple polls too.

When all this is over, I suspect people will return. Whether IT is true or not DLC is coming soon. More Mass Effect is anyform is a good thing.

Modifié par bigstig, 26 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[Cucobr]

bigstig wrote...

Pezza360 wrote...

So if the kid is an indoctrination... And those dream sequences happen in your mind as means of indoctrination... What if the way to resist indoctrination was to not follow the kid at all?

Well that's the question.

Some say that the DLC may add an option for you to turn and walk away.

Others believe that destroy is the only option as it represents breaking free,

Some have even argued that any ending could be used and expanded on. @Greywardencommanders thread is particularly interesting with regards to that

we dont know.
What we know is that the only choice to break indoctrination is chose destruction.
but BioWare can continues the game even if you chose synthesis or Control... maybe you will regain conscience near to the end and do the right thing... and put a bullet in your head next to break the indoctrination.

We dont know... its up to BioWare to decide.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

DUUUDE I just mind****ed myself

THE DINOSAURS
THEY MUST HAVE DEVELOPED SOME KIND OF SYNTHETIC LIFE
OH GOD

[Erethrian]

Vahilor wrote...

Most here agree that the whole ME games are really really good, exept of the last 10 minutes in the third game. Most people here even say that it is genius if BW has planed all that IDT stuff... that's no insulting or disrespect.

And to be honest, the last 10 minutes are really bad written in comparison to the rest of the games (if that were really the intendend and true endings).

I'm one of those.  I think BW planned all of this, I still have faith, just waiting until April! 

Modifié par Erethrian, 26 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[Voriax]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Falconee wrote...

Voriax wrote...

JimboAdams wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Okay, I'm in the one of the godchild dreams right now. I decided to walk into a group of the shadow figures to see if they said anything. I could hear them whispering. I swear to god I heard them say "don't trust him", "Get back commander" , "Someone outside is coming" (when I got close to the boy), "SHEPARD! (really loud elderly male voice), every time I got in a group of the whisps, "Stay away from him, trust yourself" (that one sent chills up my spine)

and has anyone noticed that the whisps almost blockade the boy? Like they don't want you near him? How about how the got louder and angrier as the whispered when you approached him.

I decided to write this as I played so I wouldn't forget anything. The dialogue of the whisps needs to be analyzed further, there's something important hidden in their speech, I just know it.

That is just creepy. I have a MIGHTY NEED to check this out now. (cookies to who knows the reference) I'll give you a hint:
[smilie]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkr2ain9Yz1qatmzjo1_400.gif[/smilie]

The next play through, I will be sure to keep this in mind, nice find 

Thank you! Trust me, just don't go straight to the child, head toward any group of whisps and walk into the middle, they'll say those things louder than the murmur you hear from a distance, you can't miss it

Why isn't anyone paying attention to this?! Also one thing I noticed about the dream sequences is that the wind blowing leaves grows faster and stronger, this could be alluding to shepard's own judgement being clouded by the slow indoctrination

funny i noticed something fammiliar in the dream scene's and now that you say it i do remember something vague as what you said but i just thought it was my own mind playing dirty tricks on me

DAMN!
I was eversince in denial to the IT. But now you mention the shadows barring the way to the child, i remember recognising and wondering about that.
Is there any vid about the voices warning you? Because without a new playtrough i cant test that.

This would turn up to be an interesting find, which.. again, unfortunately it can go both ways...

Why would the "oily shadows" which by what the Rachni said, been given to you by reapers, actually tell you not to trust the "reapers" (child)?

because its your own mind telling not to trust it not to fall for the trap

[Vahilor]

bigstig wrote...

@Vahilor Where did you get that statistic from? Have you surveyed every single player of the game?

Recent estimates show 3.5millions copies sold in the first few days. Even the various petitions online don't reach this number combined and I suspect some may have voted in multiple polls too.

There are a lot of polls over the web and even in some articles they give some statistics that are between 80-90% disliking the ending.
Do you really think it would be in the BBC news if only a few people or only a small amount would dislike the ending ?

Sure there will be an amount of people saying nothing at all.. play the game and do nothing about it  and simply put it away.

[surleygentelman]

I can say even though I have never thought the endings great. Imo they are ok, but by no means great. However if this was just a publicity stunt on BIOWARE's part that would be more damaging than anything these so called endings could have done.

[Vahilor]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

DUUUDE I just mind****ed myself

THE DINOSAURS
THEY MUST HAVE DEVELOPED SOME KIND OF SYNTHETIC LIFE
OH GOD

No in reality the Space hamster controls the Reaper ! ^^

[surleygentelman]

Well I don't know about the BBC but in America anything gets put on or in the news so that theory does not hold water.

[blueboxblues]

Vahilor wrote...
And to be honest, the last 10 minutes are really bad written in comparison to the rest of the games (if that were really the intendend and true endings).

I was thinking this last night...I've been replaying ME1 and played for like, ten hours yesterday, and as I was scanning the galaxy, reading the information on EACH PLANET in EACH SYSTEM...there is such a huge universe, it just can't be possible they got so lazy at the end! Even if it isn't IT, it just can't be what it seems.

[BurnOutBrighter]

Just finished the game. Caught up on all the "Indoctrination Theory" explanations.

Thank you to the people who have put the thought and analysis into these. At first I found it interesting and amusing to see how far people would go to deny that the ending they saw wasn't actually part of reality. But now I'm a believer, or at least I hope the theory is true. There is plenty of evidence to support the theory, and much of it must have been placed deliberately by BioWare.

I want to believe that this makes sense. It's the only way to explain how inconsistent and nonsensical the endings were. It gives me a bit of hope that BioWare might have done something a bit clever by making the concept of indoctrination exist not only in the game world, but also in the real world in a sort of meta-game. But I wouldn't give them that much credit just yet.

Modifié par BurnOutBrighter, 26 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Eckswhyzed]

Cross-posted from another thread:

I haven't read up too much on the Indoctrination theory, so I'm hoping it's proponents can help me with some points of confusion:

-How do IT people interpret the ending cutscenes of the Reapers leaving etc.? Are these all fiction? What about Star-child + grandfather? Is that all some sort of hallucination?

-Does "Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend?" mean anything? I know that's "out-of -world" information, but doesn't that imply that the Reapers have been "defeated?"

Thanks in advance for the polite, couteous, and informative replies!

[Vahilor]

surleygentelman wrote...

Well I don't know about the BBC but in America anything gets put on or in the news so that theory does not hold water.

In europe computer game stuff only is in the news when sombody runs around amok killing people cause of a game.

[surleygentelman]

Well that happens in ameris a all the time so distinguishing when video games.are the cause is totally useless

[earth_angel]

blueboxblues wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
And to be honest, the last 10 minutes are really bad written in comparison to the rest of the games (if that were really the intendend and true endings).

I was thinking this last night...I've been replaying ME1 and played for like, ten hours yesterday, and as I was scanning the galaxy, reading the information on EACH PLANET in EACH SYSTEM...there is such a huge universe, it just can't be possible they got so lazy at the end! Even if it isn't IT, it just can't be what it seems.

If you recall well they even decided to postpone the release of ME3 from end of december to beginning of march! So they really took there time.

[Cucobr]