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[NikolaiShade]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Cross-posted from another thread:

I haven't read up too much on the Indoctrination theory, so I'm hoping it's proponents can help me with some points of confusion:

-How do IT people interpret the ending cutscenes of the Reapers leaving etc.? Are these all fiction? What about Star-child + grandfather? Is that all some sort of hallucination?

-Does "Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend?" mean anything? I know that's "out-of -world" information, but doesn't that imply that the Reapers have been "defeated?"

Thanks in advance for the polite, couteous, and informative replies!

IF the IDT is real then:

1 - Images of hope so good they can't be true. For the Stargazer scene, my personal opinion is that it's real, but I'm the minority, so...

2 - The end is yet to come, IF IDT is real basically there is still a war out there (personally I don't think Shepard could lose).

Edit: About Shepard winning against the Reapers, I'm not in any way implying he must survive, just it seems really unlikely (to me at least) seeing Shepard lose in the end.

Modifié par NikolaiShade, 26 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[mic-n]

Vahilor wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

Well I don't know about the BBC but in America anything gets put on or in the news so that theory does not hold water.

In europe computer game stuff only is in the news when sombody runs around amok killing people cause of a game.

Soooooo true. In Germany the common guy (nongamer) thinks WoW is a "killergame" because of the so called news.

[Vahilor]

I only can talk for europe.. and I never saw such an uproar cause of a ending on the net either... *shruggs*
But if you think that is totaly normal.. your opinion.

[JustAidan]

Erethrian wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
‏
@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

Indoctrination Theory anyone?  I love her more every day. Haha.

Haha, she is getting more blatant in her hints by the day =D.

[Voriax]

hey guys i just read the part in the newspaper it says bioware caves in to the actions for a better ending (BTW these are the words of the newspaper not mine just to tell you guys )
and it will highlikely create new ending content to santisfy the gamers of the Mass Effect games

[SharpVec]

900 pages... you guys are awesome!

[surleygentelman]

How could Shepard lose he's the Shepard. Or how could Shepardose she's the Shepard.

[mic-n]

Vahilor wrote...

I only can talk for europe.. and I never saw such an uproar cause of a ending on the net either... *shruggs*
But if you think that is totaly normal.. your opinion.

My comment was actually meant supportive for your position.

[captainbob8383]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
‏
@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

Thx man.
It's either a major hint or she's trolling us, but that's definitely not her style.
Tweet here: https://twitter.com/...087847064707072

Screenshot in case this tweet 'disappears':

Modifié par captainbob8383, 26 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[surleygentelman]

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

[Vahilor]

mic-n wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

I only can talk for europe.. and I never saw such an uproar cause of a ending on the net either... *shruggs*
But if you think that is totaly normal.. your opinion.

My comment was actually meant supportive for your position.

And I was refering to surley

[Baal Sagoth]

Another thing that bugs me is huge difference in overall quality between ending(s) and the rest of the game. BW payed so much attention to level of details: Mordin's death scene - Shep shoots Mordin with Carnifex Cannon, pistol which Mordin gave to him in ME2. Even ending(s) got some attention: holo-kid voice contains kids, femSheps and mSheps voice. They needed to record voice acting from 3 different actors and put it together just for this relatively short scene. It was a lot easier just to record kids voice and then remaster it to get some spooky effect.

But suddenly rest of ending(s) is filled with so sloppy plot devices. How development team could remember and put effort to such small thing like holo-kid voice, but forget/overlook such HUGE plotholes?

Modifié par Baal Sagoth, 26 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[Stigweird85]

Vahilor wrote...

bigstig wrote...

@Vahilor Where did you get that statistic from? Have you surveyed every single player of the game?

Recent estimates show 3.5millions copies sold in the first few days. Even the various petitions online don't reach this number combined and I suspect some may have voted in multiple polls too.

There are a lot of polls over the web and even in some articles they give some statistics that are between 80-90% disliking the ending.
Do you really think it would be in the BBC news if only a few people or only a small amount would dislike the ending ?

Sure there will be an amount of people saying nothing at all.. play the game and do nothing about it  and simply put it away.

There is a big difference between 80-90% being unhappy and 80--90% of those polled being unhappy. I grant you that making it to BBC News was a big thing however even they estimate it thousands which a far cry from terms like "majority" or 80%-90%.

Negative publicity about something spreads like wildfire. Positive publicity can spread but takes a lot longer and a lot more effort to do so. 

It's a small issue but it really bug me when people throw around statistics.

[JustAidan]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Cross-posted from another thread:

I haven't read up too much on the Indoctrination theory, so I'm hoping it's proponents can help me with some points of confusion:

-How do IT people interpret the ending cutscenes of the Reapers leaving etc.? Are these all fiction? What about Star-child + grandfather? Is that all some sort of hallucination?

-Does "Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend?" mean anything? I know that's "out-of -world" information, but doesn't that imply that the Reapers have been "defeated?"

Thanks in advance for the polite, couteous, and informative replies!

Everything after a certain point, most likely getting hit by harby's beam since your armour is damaged when you wake up in the Destory option, is a fabrication of Shepard's mind.

If the Grandfather is a narrator framing the story then it just means he hasn't finished yet (assuming that is not also in Shepard's head, no way to be certain yet).

"Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend" is pretty much out of game, bioware wouldn't be able to keep this secret if it said "Shepard joined the reapers and got dissolved into DNA paste"

If you are reading through the thread there is A LOT of stuff not on the front page.
For instance if you are wondering by he has to shoot a pipe to kill all the Reapers it is because that pipe is a copy of the ones he shoot while fighting the human proto-reaper in ME2. =D

[MadRabbit999]

JustAidan wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
‏
@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

Indoctrination Theory anyone?  I love her more every day. Haha.

Haha, she is getting more blatant in her hints by the day =D.

Or maybe she is successfully screwing with your mind?

[Stigweird85]

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

[estebanus]

I just saw a very interesting article about ME3 in the german newspaper "Die Welt". for anyone speaking german out there, you should probably read it. It's actually quite interesting

[MadRabbit999]

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

[Eckswhyzed]

NikolaiShade wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Cross-posted from another thread:

I haven't read up too much on the Indoctrination theory, so I'm hoping it's proponents can help me with some points of confusion:

-How do IT people interpret the ending cutscenes of the Reapers leaving etc.? Are these all fiction? What about Star-child + grandfather? Is that all some sort of hallucination?

-Does "Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend?" mean anything? I know that's "out-of -world" information, but doesn't that imply that the Reapers have been "defeated?"

Thanks in advance for the polite, couteous, and informative replies!

IF the IDT is real then:

1 - Images of hope so good they can't be true. For the Stargazer scene, my personal opinion is that it's real, but I'm the minority, so...

2 - The end is yet to come, IF IDT is real basically there is still a war out there (personally I don't think Shepard could lose).

Edit: About Shepard winning against the Reapers, I'm not in any way implying he must survive, just it seems really unlikely (to me at least) seeing Shepard lose in the end.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Okay..............so the alternative to the endings that people don't like is that all of the Catalyst talk is a total hallucination? So if I pick Control or Synthesis, nothing happens? Reapers win and gooify everyone? That Control and Synthesis cutscenes are completely fake, yet Destroy's cutscenes aren't?

Or is that all of the cutscenes other than Shepard's armour under rubble are dreams, and that the war is still ranging?

I really can't understand the people talking up Destroy as some sort of overcoming indoctrination ending. The indoctrination theory still seems like a lot of denial and rationalising, but I'm definitely getting a clearer picture.

[Stigweird85]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Cross-posted from another thread:

I haven't read up too much on the Indoctrination theory, so I'm hoping it's proponents can help me with some points of confusion:

-How do IT people interpret the ending cutscenes of the Reapers leaving etc.? Are these all fiction? What about Star-child + grandfather? Is that all some sort of hallucination?

-Does "Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend?" mean anything? I know that's "out-of -world" information, but doesn't that imply that the Reapers have been "defeated?"

Thanks in advance for the polite, couteous, and informative replies!

IF the IDT is real then:

1 - Images of hope so good they can't be true. For the Stargazer scene, my personal opinion is that it's real, but I'm the minority, so...

2 - The end is yet to come, IF IDT is real basically there is still a war out there (personally I don't think Shepard could lose).

Edit: About Shepard winning against the Reapers, I'm not in any way implying he must survive, just it seems really unlikely (to me at least) seeing Shepard lose in the end.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Okay..............so the alternative to the endings that people don't like is that all of the Catalyst talk is a total hallucination? So if I pick Control or Synthesis, nothing happens? Reapers win and gooify everyone? That Control and Synthesis cutscenes are completely fake, yet Destroy's cutscenes aren't?

Or is that all of the cutscenes other than Shepard's armour under rubble are dreams, and that the war is still ranging?

I really can't understand the people talking up Destroy as some sort of overcoming indoctrination ending. The indoctrination theory still seems like a lot of denial and rationalising, but I'm definitely getting a clearer picture.

there are currently two trains of thought on that.

1. Everything that happens in the citadel is an illusion.
2. The conversation with TIM and Anderson is real, the conversation and the the choice with Godchild are not.

This means that the endings only happened in sheps head, therefore relays are not destroyed

Hope this clears it up for you

[Peranor]

captainbob8383 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

@SomeRandomGuy8

@JessicaMerizan Also, we don't see a wound on Anderson after Shepard shoots him, another bug.


Jessica Merizan
‏
@JessicaMerizan



@SomeRandomGuy82 bug or intentional by the devs?

Thx man.
It's either a major hint or she's trolling us, but that's definitely not her style.
Tweet here: https://twitter.com/...087847064707072

Screenshot in case this tweet 'disappears':

Maybe im just bitter. But I think they are trolling us.

[Stigweird85]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

[Althekiller]

I love this theory. It seems like a really far reach but i hope it turns out this way. Checking forums and feedback since the day i beat the game without spoiling it before hand. It seems that our good friends at bioware are either brilliant for this marketing maneuver or they truly did botch our beloved mass effect 3. Im not dissappointed. An explanation for what happened would suffice for me. Just seems like we got left in the dark a little.

[earth_angel]

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

[Stigweird85]

earth_angel wrote...

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

It's possible. the Mass Effect triology was always considered to be Shepards story. It is concievable that Shep does die and someone else finishes the fight in Mass Effect 4 - but Bioware would need to announce that pretty soon(Pax reveal?)

However as Shepard can survive at the end then it would be a poor show for someone to come in and save they day(unless it was one of Sheps crew)