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[MadRabbit999]

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 26 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[ChuckieJ]

Highlord Heian wrote...
IDT doesn't make it less visible, just more sinister. Instead of a lackluster ending, we have an ending that is purposefully incomplete for the sole purpose of squeezing money out of people who have spent upwards of $200 on the series already.

Are they accidentally screwing players, or purposefully screwing players? IDT makes the ending seem less tragic, story-wise, but certainly illuminates to how Bioware spit in the faces of their loyal fans.

The DLC that fixes this has to be free. They played the Indoctrination game with us and it worked. Good for Bioware. Now it's only fair to finish the ending for free. Only problem is MS doesn't give achievements for free DLC (as a general rule). So hopefully some agreement can be reached.

[ChuckieJ]

Baal Sagoth wrote...

Another thing that bugs me is huge difference in overall quality between ending(s) and the rest of the game. BW payed so much attention to level of details: Mordin's death scene - Shep shoots Mordin with Carnifex Cannon, pistol which Mordin gave to him in ME2. Even ending(s) got some attention: holo-kid voice contains kids, femSheps and mSheps voice. They needed to record voice acting from 3 different actors and put it together just for this relatively short scene. It was a lot easier just to record kids voice and then remaster it to get some spooky effect.

But suddenly rest of ending(s) is filled with so sloppy plot devices. How development team could remember and put effort to such small thing like holo-kid voice, but forget/overlook such HUGE plotholes?

That's exactly the point of this thread. Those plotholes are there as clues that what you see is wrong.

All of your crew minus Joker is ON EARTH. There is no way for them to end up on the jungle planet with Joker. 

Joker has promised to stick with you to the end. He is near Earth with the rest of the fleet, not running away.

Etc etc etc. It makes no sense because it is not supposed to! 

[Stigweird85]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Handled well it can be okay,

as I said dying as a result of an action is one thing i.e. In an explosion, dying as the sole action to achieve the end is a little cheap.

As for the biblical references, yes there are a few (Cerberus isn't one of them neither is Purgatory)

[MadRabbit999]

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Handled well it can be okay,

as I said dying as a result of an action is one thing i.e. In an explosion, dying as the sole action to achieve the end is a little cheap.

As for the biblical references, yes there are a few (Cerberus isn't one of them neither is Purgatory)

Not to get into a religious debate or anything, but I am pretty sure Purgatory was introduced by the church (no idea what year) in order to save the souls of those who are lost by paying the church a certain amount of money... also Cerberus is Hell's Gatekeeper.. and "Hell" as in Christian Hell.. this was adapted from Greek mythology if I am not wrong, but it is still a part of Christian mythology.

[Vahilor]

They td somewhere that shepared is called shapard cause one of the first guys in space was was named shepard.

And to be honest again a religous paralell thing will make me cry and i'll be more than dissapointed.

[JustAidan]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Cross-posted from another thread:

I haven't read up too much on the Indoctrination theory, so I'm hoping it's proponents can help me with some points of confusion:

-How do IT people interpret the ending cutscenes of the Reapers leaving etc.? Are these all fiction? What about Star-child + grandfather? Is that all some sort of hallucination?

-Does "Shepard has defeated the reaper threat and become a legend?" mean anything? I know that's "out-of -world" information, but doesn't that imply that the Reapers have been "defeated?"

Thanks in advance for the polite, couteous, and informative replies!

IF the IDT is real then:

1 - Images of hope so good they can't be true. For the Stargazer scene, my personal opinion is that it's real, but I'm the minority, so...

2 - The end is yet to come, IF IDT is real basically there is still a war out there (personally I don't think Shepard could lose).

Edit: About Shepard winning against the Reapers, I'm not in any way implying he must survive, just it seems really unlikely (to me at least) seeing Shepard lose in the end.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Okay..............so the alternative to the endings that people don't like is that all of the Catalyst talk is a total hallucination? So if I pick Control or Synthesis, nothing happens? Reapers win and gooify everyone? That Control and Synthesis cutscenes are completely fake, yet Destroy's cutscenes aren't?

Or is that all of the cutscenes other than Shepard's armour under rubble are dreams, and that the war is still ranging?

I really can't understand the people talking up Destroy as some sort of overcoming indoctrination ending. The indoctrination theory still seems like a lot of denial and rationalising, but I'm definitely getting a clearer picture.

Don't trust anything from when you pass out till you see yourself waking up. =)

The ID theory is based on observations and cues from within the game itself (plus PR stuff from Ms Merizan). This thread is really long and not catelogued at all but there is a ridiculous amount of detailed evidence for it.

Simplest example is this: Starchild says you won't survive the Destroy ending, but you do.
You couldn't survive the explosion, lack of oxygen, re-entry and crash from the Citadel.
You do survive surrounded by concrete rubble the only logical way this fits together.

Another would be that Shepard's eyes become indoctrination (like TIM's from the novels) very obviously in Control and Synthesis but remain human in Destroy, which again is the only one you can survive.

These taken with all the other evidence in the thread it is pretty damning that the ending was an indoctrination attempt.

I don't know what Bioware have planned but Control or Syntheis means that you have been indoctrinated like TIM and Saren were, respectively. Most likely only the Destroy option will be followed in my opinion as the others have you as a servant of the Reapers.

About Shepard losing: Going by ME2 Shepard can lose the game unlike other modern games that make sure you can make it to the end outside of gameplay influences. Remember in ME2 is was possible to end that game with Shepard and his team dead, obviously Shepard wouldn't be around for ME3 or Arrival in that case.

[Naseilen]

If IT is true, I really wish to see epilogue with indoctrinated Shepard and Reapers winning. You know, the end of all hope Shepard represented. Scene that proves that players choice really DOES matter.

[JustAidan]

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Handled well it can be okay,

as I said dying as a result of an action is one thing i.e. In an explosion, dying as the sole action to achieve the end is a little cheap.

As for the biblical references, yes there are a few (Cerberus isn't one of them neither is Purgatory)

The Reapers are pertty much Mecha-Cthullu as well.

[MadRabbit999]

Naseilen wrote...

If IT is true, I really wish to see epilogue with indoctrinated Shepard and Reapers winning. You know, the end of all hope Shepard represented. Scene that proves that players choice really DOES matter.

You mean in case you pick blue or green though?

[RoyalGambit]

Something I've been thinking about.. Isn't it convenient that Ashley brings up the topic of Cerberus potentially controlling Shepard's actions, repeatedly throughout the game? It's kind of like Bioware is conditioning us to think in those patterns (Shepard might be controlled by an outside force) without actually giving the indoctrination plot away. It kinda dawned on me after watching Mulholland Drive, which sort of has a similar premise - IE questioning reality.

Modifié par RoyalGambit, 26 mars 2012 - 01:16 .

[Gernbuster]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Handled well it can be okay,

as I said dying as a result of an action is one thing i.e. In an explosion, dying as the sole action to achieve the end is a little cheap.

As for the biblical references, yes there are a few (Cerberus isn't one of them neither is Purgatory)

Not to get into a religious debate or anything, but I am pretty sure Purgatory was introduced by the church (no idea what year) in order to save the souls of those who are lost by paying the church a certain amount of money... also Cerberus is Hell's Gatekeeper.. and "Hell" as in Christian Hell.. this was adapted from Greek mythology if I am not wrong, but it is still a part of Christian mythology.

Ofc there are some parallels between Christianity and ME, but it is not supposed to match completly.
1. U may see Jesus as a Shepard, but originally God is the Shepard (Psalm 23, "God be my Shepard")
On easter Jesus is symbolized by a lamb not a shepard. ^^
2. As we all know Cerberus is the guardian of the Portal to Hades, which is the place where the Dead go to.
ITS NOT THE HELL, the hell is called Tartaros and it is behind the Hades. Cerberus is NOT the guardian of hell but the guardian of the afterlife.

[Naseilen]

@MadRabbit999
Yes.
In my first play-trough my Shep ended synthesising, because I felt that this is the most paragon option. But after thinking about it... Oh, well. Now I'm feeling that I actually lost my game, because I don't underestimated the enemy. They win, I can imagine that, but I wish I could see it too.

Modifié par Naseilen, 26 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[LazyCoffeeGuy]

This explains indoctrination very well I thought: VERY FUNNY

[Voriax]

bigstig wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

It's possible. the Mass Effect triology was always considered to be Shepards story. It is concievable that Shep does die and someone else finishes the fight in Mass Effect 4 - but Bioware would need to announce that pretty soon(Pax reveal?)

However as Shepard can survive at the end then it would be a poor show for someone to come in and save they day(unless it was one of Sheps crew)

maby vega becomes the new shepard he is the new guy so it could be:ph34r:

[MadRabbit999]

Naseilen wrote...

@MadRabbit999
Yes.
In my first play-trough my Shep ended synthesising, because I felt that this is the most paragon option. But after thinking about it... Oh, well. Now I'm feeling that I actually lost my game, because I don't underestimated the enemy. They win, I can imagine that, but I wish I could see it too.

The problem is that the game picks a saved game about 3 hours old.. so all you did in the ending does not get recorded, and the only way is to restart the last mission (Which is jsut after you got hit by harbinger), so techincally you can still "fix" it buy choosing red (Going by the IT).

This is also putting me off playing a new game with the same character, because I do not want to delete the "restart mission" saved game and having to go throguh the illusive man and the final fights (On insanity) all over just to see the new fixes in the endings.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 26 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[NikolaiShade]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Something I've been thinking about.. Isn't it convenient that Ashley brings up the topic of Cerberus potentially controlling Shepard's actions, repeatedly throughout the game? It's kind of like Bioware is conditioning us to think in those patterns (Shepard might be controlled by an outside force) without actually giving the indoctrination plot away. It kinda dawned on me after watching Mulholland Drive, which sort of has a similar premise - IE questioning reality.

And that wouldn't be unprecedented in a BioWare game.

SPOILER

In Knights of the Old Republic you get similar clues troghout the entire game, just to quote two of them:

Carth Onasi - They say the Force can do terrible things to a mind. It can wipe away your memories and destroy your very identity.

Bastila Shan - What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?

Modifié par NikolaiShade, 26 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[Martukis]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Naseilen wrote...

@MadRabbit999
Yes.
In my first play-trough my Shep ended synthesising, because I felt that this is the most paragon option. But after thinking about it... Oh, well. Now I'm feeling that I actually lost my game, because I don't underestimated the enemy. They win, I can imagine that, but I wish I could see it too.

The problem is that the game picks a saved game about 3 hours old.. so all you did in the ending does not get recorded, and the only way is to restart the last mission (Which is jsut after you got hit by harbinger), so techincally you can still "fix" it buy choosing red (Going by the IT).

This is also putting me off playing a new game with the same character, because I do not want to delete the "restart mission" saved game and having to go throguh the illusive man and the final fights (On insanity) all over just to see the new fixes in the endings.

 This is a common misunderstanding. The game generates a "NewGamePlus.pcsav" file after the final choice/during the final cutscene. If simply cannot be seen or loaded in game - but it is saved in your profile and used when starting NewGamePlus.

[edogalax]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Yes, there are a lots of reference to Christian religion

[Kosiji]

Voriax wrote...

bigstig wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

It's possible. the Mass Effect triology was always considered to be Shepards story. It is concievable that Shep does die and someone else finishes the fight in Mass Effect 4 - but Bioware would need to announce that pretty soon(Pax reveal?)

However as Shepard can survive at the end then it would be a poor show for someone to come in and save they day(unless it was one of Sheps crew)

maby vega becomes the new shepard he is the new guy so it could be:ph34r:

I have been saying this ever since Vega & Shepard had that "last talk" & Vega said something along the lines of "You're training me". I just had that feeling that Vega would be the main character in the next entry (or dlc after he game).I mean,he was considering becoming an N7. Plus, he's the center of the Mass Effect anime coming out soon.

[edogalax]

Vega can't be the new shepard... he is not though enough

[Stigweird85]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

surleygentelman wrote...

As long as the ending is not Jesus metaphor like the end of the matrix then we are at least headed in the correct direction. Now the matrix that was a crappy ending.

When I started seeing headlines of a bad ending that was my fear as that is the ultimatly cop out ending. For a while it did seem like it was heading in that direction.

I don't mind Shep dying for the cause, or even appearing to die as it is at the moment.  However the last thing I want to see is Shep choosing to die to save the galaxy and then being resurrected again.

Please note there is a difference between dying as a result of something i.e. Dying in the explosion caused by destruction ending and choosing to die to achieve something. i.e. Shep is the living embodiment of reapers and must die to save the universe,

Also the Matrix ending makes sense, and it is WELL explained, wether you like it or not is another matter.

ME.. is just right up in the air at the moment, with too many unexplainable things... it is like watching Lord of the Rings, without ever showing Sam and Frodo and ending the movie rigt the moment when the tower shatters,.. you'd be like "WTF? So did they destroyed the ring, or the volcano jsut exploded on its own? Whatever happeend to Sam and Frodo?"

I think they tried the inception type of ending and could not deliver it properly.

Does it make sense though? The end of Matrix 1 did was never sure about 2 and 3(although that's a debate for a different thread)

If they do go the messianic route then that could be bad writing as it takes great skill to pull that off without being painfully obvious

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't the main character "Shepard"? That is also a reference to Jesus, I tihnk many of us thoguht his fate was to sacrifice himself from the very start.

The game is full of bits from Christian religion... Lazarus, Cerberus, Omega, Purgatory, Legion, Archangel.. etc..

Handled well it can be okay,

as I said dying as a result of an action is one thing i.e. In an explosion, dying as the sole action to achieve the end is a little cheap.

As for the biblical references, yes there are a few (Cerberus isn't one of them neither is Purgatory)

Not to get into a religious debate or anything, but I am pretty sure Purgatory was introduced by the church (no idea what year) in order to save the souls of those who are lost by paying the church a certain amount of money... also Cerberus is Hell's Gatekeeper.. and "Hell" as in Christian Hell.. this was adapted from Greek mythology if I am not wrong, but it is still a part of Christian mythology.

Purgatory is not mentioned anywhere in the bible, it does exist in the catholic believes but is purely their creation. Hell as we know it(our current intrepretation) of fire and brimstone is also not in the bible. At least not in that context. There is a lake of a fire where Satan is bound but this is not Hell. If memory serves me the original concept of Hell came from the wasteground outside the village where the dead and the waste was.

I don't believe that the 3 headed dog cerberus ever comes in.

[Stigweird85]

Kosiji wrote...

Voriax wrote...

bigstig wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

It's possible. the Mass Effect triology was always considered to be Shepards story. It is concievable that Shep does die and someone else finishes the fight in Mass Effect 4 - but Bioware would need to announce that pretty soon(Pax reveal?)

However as Shepard can survive at the end then it would be a poor show for someone to come in and save they day(unless it was one of Sheps crew)

maby vega becomes the new shepard he is the new guy so it could be:ph34r:

I have been saying this ever since Vega & Shepard had that "last talk" & Vega said something along the lines of "You're training me". I just had that feeling that Vega would be the main character in the next entry (or dlc after he game).I mean,he was considering becoming an N7. Plus, he's the center of the Mass Effect anime coming out soon.

I hope not, I like my femshep.

[edogalax]

easter ... the resurrection of Jesus.. easter dlc: the resurrection of Shepard

[Kosiji]

edogalax wrote...

Vega can't be the new shepard... he is not though enough

He has the guts.