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[Vahilor]

Oh please no vega.... I like my male Shep.

[Needsnewending]

I sure hope the Indoctrination Theory is true, i think its awesome!

[David Bergsma]

Any news?

[Miss Vader]

NikolaiShade wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Something I've been thinking about.. Isn't it convenient that Ashley brings up the topic of Cerberus potentially controlling Shepard's actions, repeatedly throughout the game? It's kind of like Bioware is conditioning us to think in those patterns (Shepard might be controlled by an outside force) without actually giving the indoctrination plot away. It kinda dawned on me after watching Mulholland Drive, which sort of has a similar premise - IE questioning reality.

And that wouldn't be unprecedented in a BioWare game.

SPOILER

In Knights of the Old Republic you get similar clues troghout the entire game, just to quote two of them:

Carth Onasi - They say the Force can do terrible things to a mind. It can wipe away your memories and destroy your very identity.

Bastila Shan - What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?

It is because of that game (KotOR) that I feel confident that Bioware has this twist ending up their sleeve- they fooled us once, but not twice 

[Stigweird85]

David Bergsma wrote...

Any news?

Nothing new,

just some discussion about christian symbolism and other "clues" that could support IT.

The only new thing was announced a few days ago

[Voriax]

bigstig wrote...

Kosiji wrote...

Voriax wrote...

bigstig wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

It's possible. the Mass Effect triology was always considered to be Shepards story. It is concievable that Shep does die and someone else finishes the fight in Mass Effect 4 - but Bioware would need to announce that pretty soon(Pax reveal?)

However as Shepard can survive at the end then it would be a poor show for someone to come in and save they day(unless it was one of Sheps crew)

maby vega becomes the new shepard he is the new guy so it could be:ph34r:

I have been saying this ever since Vega & Shepard had that "last talk" & Vega said something along the lines of "You're training me". I just had that feeling that Vega would be the main character in the next entry (or dlc after he game).I mean,he was considering becoming an N7. Plus, he's the center of the Mass Effect anime coming out soon.

I hope not, I like my femshep.

well what if its vega waking up in the rubble and not shepard? vega was not on the normandy after it crashed and he would fight till his death to defend earth and he was relucant to leave earth in the start of the game

[edogalax]

Kosiji wrote...

edogalax wrote...

Vega can't be the new shepard... he is not though enough

He has the guts.

a B.E. Baracus without fear of flying

[Stigweird85]

Miss Vader wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Something I've been thinking about.. Isn't it convenient that Ashley brings up the topic of Cerberus potentially controlling Shepard's actions, repeatedly throughout the game? It's kind of like Bioware is conditioning us to think in those patterns (Shepard might be controlled by an outside force) without actually giving the indoctrination plot away. It kinda dawned on me after watching Mulholland Drive, which sort of has a similar premise - IE questioning reality.

And that wouldn't be unprecedented in a BioWare game.

SPOILER

In Knights of the Old Republic you get similar clues troghout the entire game, just to quote two of them:

Carth Onasi - They say the Force can do terrible things to a mind. It can wipe away your memories and destroy your very identity.

Bastila Shan - What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?

It is because of that game (KotOR) that I feel confident that Bioware has this twist ending up their sleeve- they fooled us once, but not twice 

I really wish I had played this at the time, but I was never a star wars fan(sacrilege I know) I did try itwhen I finished Mass Effect 1 but I just couldn't get involved with it.

I am looking to get a cheap copy so I may give it another go soon

[Gernbuster]

Vega may be important in future, but I am sure u will be able to play a new character, with a new backround u can creat yourself. ME got a brilliant gameplay and I don't think they mess this up by dictating the player in ME4 who he wants to be and which sort of character he is.

[Stigweird85]

Voriax wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Kosiji wrote...

Voriax wrote...

bigstig wrote...

earth_angel wrote...

just a thought about not changing the endings; Mass effect is Shepard's story. What if Shepard's main role in the defeat of the reaper was only to gather an army but someone else was responsible for making the crucible work.

Whose fight would you see? The one in the cidatel to make the crucible work, Or Shepard's fight against endoctrination? Maybe the end of ME3 is about knowing wether Shepard survive the battle or not. In that case winning the war would be about having a high EMS and about the choices you made!

It's possible. the Mass Effect triology was always considered to be Shepards story. It is concievable that Shep does die and someone else finishes the fight in Mass Effect 4 - but Bioware would need to announce that pretty soon(Pax reveal?)

However as Shepard can survive at the end then it would be a poor show for someone to come in and save they day(unless it was one of Sheps crew)

maby vega becomes the new shepard he is the new guy so it could be:ph34r:

I have been saying this ever since Vega & Shepard had that "last talk" & Vega said something along the lines of "You're training me". I just had that feeling that Vega would be the main character in the next entry (or dlc after he game).I mean,he was considering becoming an N7. Plus, he's the center of the Mass Effect anime coming out soon.

I hope not, I like my femshep.

well what if its vega waking up in the rubble and not shepard? vega was not on the normandy after it crashed and he would fight till his death to defend earth and he was relucant to leave earth in the start of the game

It's not Vega

Whoever woke up was wearing an N7 Dog tag. The N7 is the elite marine corp. I'd assume that despite someone offer Vega a chance to sign up it wasn't a presto chango you are now an N7 Marine. That and I'm sure the breath is the voice of shep/femshep

Modifié par bigstig, 26 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[Vahilor]

Cerberus btw. Is greek mythology only and has nothing to do with christian religion. Cerberus is the hellhound of hades and he takes care so no dead leaves the hades

[Martukis]

I am pretty sure Vega ends up officially joining the N7, but that he doesn't undergo the formal ceremonies as there is a rather large war going on. That said, it seem apparent to me that Shep is in the rubble, as the ending video clips are End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik and End03_Shepard_Alive_Female.bik

[Madlocke]

I just.. support the Indoctrination Theory. At the end of ME3 I got the impression nothing I had done in either of the three ME games had mattered at all. It feels better to believe it was all indoctrination at the end (assisted by that dream-like quality of the final walk up to the beam) than to think this was the end of that amazing voyage.

I had 7199 war assets with 100% readiness and I got the same endings as everyone else. How's that for "your choices matter".

[Stigweird85]

Madlocke wrote...

I just.. support the Indoctrination Theory. At the end of ME3 I got the impression nothing I had done in either of the three ME games had mattered at all. It feels better to believe it was all indoctrination at the end (assisted by that dream-like quality of the final walk up to the beam) than to think this was the end of that amazing voyage.

I had 7199 war assets with 100% readiness and I got the same endings as everyone else. How's that for "your choices matter".

I still don't get this my ending was the same as everybody elses argument.

Apart from a brief dialogue scene the ending to Mass Effect 1(council lives/dies saren commits suicide/you kill him) and Mass Effect 2(collector base destroyed/base kept crew member x died) was mostly the same for all players.

As for your EMS it does change the dialogue. Before the final push Joker rallies the support crews of the people that YOU as a player have recruited. What endings were people expecting?

Modifié par bigstig, 26 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Stigweird85]

Martukis wrote...

I am pretty sure Vega ends up officially joining the N7, but that he doesn't undergo the formal ceremonies as there is a rather large war going on. That said, it seem apparent to me that Shep is in the rubble, as the ending video clips are End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik and End03_Shepard_Alive_Female.bik

I had thought about that, unless it was a battlefield promotion(possible)  I assumed that it was Vega committing to train up to be an N7 rather than signing up as an N7.

If it was a battlefield promotion when did he get the N7 tags? As you say a rather large war is going on and they have other priorities. Minor detail though not worth worrying about

As for ME4 option, I wouldn't mind Vega being in the crew again he was okay,(better than Kaiden anyway)  but part of what makes Mass Effect special is being able to project yourself into the character. That isn't really possible if you have past experience with character as Shepard.

[captainbob8383]

bigstig wrote...

Madlocke wrote...

I just.. support the Indoctrination Theory. At the end of ME3 I got the impression nothing I had done in either of the three ME games had mattered at all. It feels better to believe it was all indoctrination at the end (assisted by that dream-like quality of the final walk up to the beam) than to think this was the end of that amazing voyage.

I had 7199 war assets with 100% readiness and I got the same endings as everyone else. How's that for "your choices matter".

I still don't get this my ending was the same as everybody elses argument.

Apart from a brief dialogue scene the ending to Mass Effect 1(council lives/dies saren commits suicide/you kill him) and Mass Effect 2(collector base destroyed/base kept crew member x died) was mostly the same for all players.

As for your EMS it does change the dialogue. Before the final push Joker rallies the support crews of the people that YOU as a player have recruited. What endings were people expecting?

People were expecting what they were promised and sold:
http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

Modifié par captainbob8383, 26 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[Beti88]

bigstig wrote...

The only new thing was announced a few days ago

Not true, I think yesterday's texture discovery was pretty huge.

[David Bergsma]

Beti88 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

The only new thing was announced a few days ago

Not true, I think yesterday's texture discovery was pretty huge.

I know nothing about it. Could you pls link? ^^

[Beti88]

bigstig wrote...

What endings were people expecting?

Different endings! Imagine what color blind people feel, they got only on ending!

Also, every war asset we collected, every alliance, every badass hero is just a number.

I wanted to see korgans charging through the battlefield. I wanted to see hordes of rachni taking down reapers. I wanted to see Jack laying waste to half the battleground. I wanted to see Normandy doing airstrikes.

Nope, it looks like it was beyond BioWares abilities to produce anything more than color coded videos.

[Stigweird85]

captainbob8383 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Madlocke wrote...

I just.. support the Indoctrination Theory. At the end of ME3 I got the impression nothing I had done in either of the three ME games had mattered at all. It feels better to believe it was all indoctrination at the end (assisted by that dream-like quality of the final walk up to the beam) than to think this was the end of that amazing voyage.

I had 7199 war assets with 100% readiness and I got the same endings as everyone else. How's that for "your choices matter".

I still don't get this my ending was the same as everybody elses argument.

Apart from a brief dialogue scene the ending to Mass Effect 1(council lives/dies saren commits suicide/you kill him) and Mass Effect 2(collector base destroyed/base kept crew member x died) was mostly the same for all players.

As for your EMS it does change the dialogue. Before the final push Joker rallies the support crews of the people that YOU as a player have recruited. What endings were people expecting?

People were expecting what they were promised and sold:
http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

True, but when was the last time an advert only told the exact truth and didn't try to emphasis any aspects or disguise the truth. Those may not be ads in the convential sense but that's what they are.

In my mind it's no different then complaining when girls don't fall all over you after you use Lynx(Axe in America) body spray. They used to the PR to hype up their product which worked 3.5million copies sold by early estimates.  

[Beti88]

David Bergsma wrote...

I know nothing about it. Could you pls link? ^^

Link? No.

But it was about some guy diggin in the game files, and some textures in the jungle planet (the end scene) were named like: dream_foliage.tga, dream_trees.tga

Green, jungle textures and they were named "DREAM".

It's pretty much a definive proof that the ending is not real. Ergo BW gave the finger to the player purposefully so that they could sell some alternate ending DLC.

[Beti88]

bigstig wrote...

True, but when was the last time an advert only told the exact truth and didn't try to emphasis any aspects or disguise the truth. Those may not be ads in the convential sense but that's what they are.

There's overselling and then there's false advertising. Not the same.

[Ilzairspar]

Beti88 wrote...

David Bergsma wrote...

I know nothing about it. Could you pls link? ^^

Link? No.

But it was about some guy diggin in the game files, and some textures in the jungle planet (the end scene) were named like: dream_foliage.tga, dream_trees.tga

Green, jungle textures and they were named "DREAM".

It's pretty much a definive proof that the ending is not real. Ergo BW gave the finger to the player purposefully so that they could sell some alternate ending DLC.

I heard about that.  Has anyone confirmed that those were true and not a photoshop?

[nyrocron]

The textures tell exactly nothing. They are just reused assets used in many scenes throughout the game. They are no fakes but they prove NOTHING.

And your choices from the previous games pretty much shaped the whole game. And I think BioWare likes to see the whole game as a finale. The different endings they promised are to be experienced throughout the game.

That does not mean that I like the current ending. If they planned indoctrination and release ending-DLC soon I will like it very much. I love the idea of having been tricked by a video game. If they do not release a good explanation and/or DLC I will never buy any BioWare product again.

/edit: typos

Modifié par nyrocron, 26 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Beti88]

nyrocron wrote...

The textures tell exactly nothing. They are just reused assets used in many scenes throughout the game. They are no fakes but they prove NOTHING.

Those textures were used ONLY in the gilligan planet scene, nowhere else. And they are named "dream"