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greywardencommander wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 You know, quick thought on the Stargazer scene:

I personally think it's just part of the indoctrination of the player/just a hook to let people know that there more coming in regards to Shepard's story. However, supposing it's real, I think it could still fit into IT. After all, it's never stated that space flight isn't a part of the grandfather and grandchild's reality. The kid ask when he (she?) can go to the stars, and the grandfather says, "Someday, my sweet." That could simply be another way of saying, "When you grow up." The world could just be a remote colony that doesn't have much alien contact, or even instellar contact other than supplies at this point.

Am I declaring this to be true? No, not by any means. I'm just postulating here. Anyone else seeing this as a possibility? Does it make sense?

throw in the fact it's framed narrative (obviously stories within a story within a story etc etc) and that anything he says can't be trusted re. the ending scene could be that's it's fabrication based on the idea of the LEGEND of Shepard ending the 'threat' (notice that in the DLC it doesn't say defeated the Reapers, out of context Reaper threat can mean anything from one Reaper to 12 on one planet, to all of them) on his mind to go on and beat them. Thus although that's true it just shows that the Stargazer scene can be interpreted anyway you want (maybe their intention) but that if you look at it that way it can fit into IDT. Look at it in another way, the endings are as they are, nothing is certain, nothing is impossible
The cryptic messages including a link to this thread, i'm going to go with the former.


"Speculation for all," indeed. :lol:

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Just done my first massive indoc theory read up. (Yeah sorry i'm late, just kinda ignored it)

All these tweets are making me get my hopes up. Dont ruin it Bioware.

Indoc theory sounds extremely interesting.

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Shameless self-promotionhttp://social.biowar...ndex/10350970/1
If you like big walls of text you can read why the ending scene alone psychologically speaking is enough to go 'mmm yeah something's up'
Also it goes into the psychological aspect in real world terms re: the plot twist in the first place, how the speculation is good even if it's not true as it helps them but if true it's to keep it alive and running until a PAX reveal.
Right at the end if you don't want to read all that is 'how this could work in the 'final end'' in terms of your choice of colour just being another variable on the way to a 'perfect ending'
All speculation regarding the ideas for DLC obviously but the rest is all basic psychological processes that are all instinctive.

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I replayed the ending today and I am 100% convince it is just a dream beyond all the artifacts(bodies of people that don't seem fully render as soon as you got up), If you notice the dead bodies on the citadel, they are the same few body copied over and over again, and the choices themselves are only symbols. why does shooting a tube kill the reapers, because your mind is associating the tube with all the synthetics in the galaxy. Why is control is you grabbing bars because it is like taking control of steering wheel. Why do you jump down the pit for synthesis because you diving into a new existence.

My problem is now it means we don't have an ending =x

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So, I was bored, and doing a run-through of ME2. Chose Dominate as my bonus power, since I'd never used it before.

Dominated a Collector, who Harbinger then ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of.

Harbinger fought for me until dominate wore off.

Its official, Shepard can outwill a reaper ;)

Anyhow, to be serious, one thing I've been wondering: The Reapers themselves arent actually synthetics, they're just organics stored in Reaper form, as the godchild says.

Why then would Destroy kill the Reapers AND fully synthetic life like the geth and EDI?

If anything, it would make far more sense for destroy to kill organics than synthetics.

Modifié par byne, 26 mars 2012 - 06:31 .


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Darknessfalls23 wrote...

I replayed the ending today and I am 100% convince it is just a dream beyond all the artifacts(bodies of people that don't seem fully render as soon as you got up), If you notice the dead bodies on the citadel, they are the same few body copied over and over again, and the choices themselves are only symbols. why does shooting a tube kill the reapers, because your mind is associating the tube with all the synthetics in the galaxy. Why is control is you grabbing bars because it is like taking control of steering wheel. Why do you jump down the pit for synthesis because you diving into a new existence.

My problem is now it means we don't have an ending =x


I think that's only a problem if it's not free. Disclaimer, I'll buy it anyway, so it's not a problem for me, but I definitely see the fanbase going apoplectic if it's 10 bucks just to see what really happens.

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My thoughts about why the real ending wasn't included. Either bioware/ea wanted to lead into a mass effect 3 expansion pack or dlc or possibly even mass effect 4.

I don't think there is a "right" ending though. The game can continue no matter which side you picked. In my opinion if greywardencommander can come up with loads of ideas to why that could work with the indoctrination theory then so can a team of 5-6 writers at bioware (no offense.)

Also did anyone manage to take a look at the zorya picture? it looks identical to the "oasis planet" that the normandy lands on. it even has two moons the same size. Also someone figured out that the relay magic explosions originate in the viper nebula. A.k.a alpha relay (Arrival DLC Me2) I think its like page 895 or 896.

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http://social.biowar.../index/10654432

Here is a link to the sub-thread I created for Indoc which will discuss the occurrences within the dreams you experience such as what the black shapes are saying, something I talked about earlier: I decided to walk into a group of the shadow figures to see if they said anything. I could hear them whispering. I swear to god I heard them say "don't trust him", "Get back commander" , "Someone outside is coming" (when I got close to the boy), "SHEPARD! (really loud elderly male voice), every time I got in a group of the whisps, "Stay away from him, trust yourself" (that one sent chills up my spine) .

It should also be noted that the thread fully supports the IT and this thread.

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Darknessfalls23 wrote...

I replayed the ending today and I am 100% convince it is just a dream beyond all the artifacts(bodies of people that don't seem fully render as soon as you got up), If you notice the dead bodies on the citadel, they are the same few body copied over and over again, and the choices themselves are only symbols. why does shooting a tube kill the reapers, because your mind is associating the tube with all the synthetics in the galaxy. Why is control is you grabbing bars because it is like taking control of steering wheel. Why do you jump down the pit for synthesis because you diving into a new existence.

My problem is now it means we don't have an ending =x


The tube is similar to the ones you destroy at the human reaper larva in ME2 so, yeah, Shep associates it with destroying reapers. So I agree with your interpretation of the ending sequence.

And, although the waiting kills me, in my opinion it is a great achievement if a game manages to trick so many people and if it was planned and they release new ending DLC soon I will be the most loyal BioWare fan.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

My thoughts about why the real ending wasn't included. Either bioware/ea wanted to lead into a mass effect 3 expansion pack or dlc or possibly even mass effect 4.

I don't think there is a "right" ending though. The game can continue no matter which side you picked. In my opinion if greywardencommander can come up with loads of ideas to why that could work with the indoctrination theory then so can a team of 5-6 writers at bioware (no offense.)

Also did anyone manage to take a look at the zorya picture? it looks identical to the "oasis planet" that the normandy lands on. it even has two moons the same size. Also someone figured out that the relay magic explosions originate in the viper nebula. A.k.a alpha relay (Arrival DLC Me2) I think its like page 895 or 896.

none at all I'm just a psychologist not a writer (well hobby wise I write) lol
Also for the reasons I state in my signature thread, not having you jump straight in after giving in or overcoming IS crucial to the plot twist (if it is one)
Like you say it might be an Awakening style Expansion for £15 or DLC or ME4 but I don't think that correlates with the statements about variety in endings (outside of imagination because that's beside the point, that's not how a game should work when you spend £40 on it, to an extent leave some to the imagination but not pretty much everything) which leads me to believe that it's a PR stunt and marketing attempt to gain world-wide notoriety outside of the gaming community for THE biggest plot twist and breaking the fourth wall in entertainment history.

Also my cousin works for a big gaming company (not Bioware or EA) so I have some idea of how it works and accept the idea of deadlines meaning stuff looks rushed but to drop an entire important element of story purely based on gameplay mechanic...no that's just odd.

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byne wrote...

At no point in any of the dream sequences with the godchild did I ever see lush jungle leaves. Just dead trees.


They could have used only part of the texture or they could have used special shaders for the dream sequence that make them appear vastly different. I think it is a nice find if IT proves to be true but not even close to evidence as there are plenty of other explanations besides indoc.

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byne wrote...

So, I was bored, and doing a run-through of ME2. Chose Dominate as my bonus power, since I'd never used it before.

Dominated a Collector, who Harbinger then ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of.

Harbinger fought for me until dominate wore off.

Its official, Shepard can outwill a reaper ;)

Anyhow, to be serious, one thing I've been wondering: The Reapers themselves arent actually synthetics, they're just organics stored in Reaper form, as the godchild says.

Why then would Destroy kill the Reapers AND fully synthetic life like the geth and EDI?

If anything, it would make far more sense for destroy to kill organics than synthetics.


Good point. But are the reapers actually organic and synthetic? or just synthetics with organic signitures or w/e. Definitely a noteworthy point though.

But I think we've come to the conclusion that the child is full of sh*t and nothing he says is credible. It contradicts the lore at every turn. Its almost proposterous to think anyone can be "okay" with the current ending such as that.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I was bored, and doing a run-through of ME2. Chose Dominate as my bonus power, since I'd never used it before.

Dominated a Collector, who Harbinger then ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of.

Harbinger fought for me until dominate wore off.

Its official, Shepard can outwill a reaper ;)

Anyhow, to be serious, one thing I've been wondering: The Reapers themselves arent actually synthetics, they're just organics stored in Reaper form, as the godchild says.

Why then would Destroy kill the Reapers AND fully synthetic life like the geth and EDI?

If anything, it would make far more sense for destroy to kill organics than synthetics.


Good point. But are the reapers actually organic and synthetic? or just synthetics with organic signitures or w/e. Definitely a noteworthy point though.

But I think we've come to the conclusion that the child is full of sh*t and nothing he says is credible. It contradicts the lore at every turn. Its almost proposterous to think anyone can be "okay" with the current ending such as that.

i'm all for a higher being and the cycle of life and that in the game re. the reapers having a master or a head Reaper (not Harbinger) that's actually Organic from the orginal race, or even that the Reapers are themselves their original Organic race (to protect themselves) corrupted and indoctrinated by their own belief but don't tell me accepting anything someone who says they 'control' the enemy of the last 120+ hours as gospel re. you being able to control the reapers and go back on your philosophy throughout the games? Give me a break that's choose destroy straight away.

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greywardencommander wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

My thoughts about why the real ending wasn't included. Either bioware/ea wanted to lead into a mass effect 3 expansion pack or dlc or possibly even mass effect 4.

I don't think there is a "right" ending though. The game can continue no matter which side you picked. In my opinion if greywardencommander can come up with loads of ideas to why that could work with the indoctrination theory then so can a team of 5-6 writers at bioware (no offense.)

Also did anyone manage to take a look at the zorya picture? it looks identical to the "oasis planet" that the normandy lands on. it even has two moons the same size. Also someone figured out that the relay magic explosions originate in the viper nebula. A.k.a alpha relay (Arrival DLC Me2) I think its like page 895 or 896.

none at all I'm just a psychologist not a writer (well hobby wise I write) lol
Also for the reasons I state in my signature thread, not having you jump straight in after giving in or overcoming IS crucial to the plot twist (if it is one)
Like you say it might be an Awakening style Expansion for £15 or DLC or ME4 but I don't think that correlates with the statements about variety in endings (outside of imagination because that's beside the point, that's not how a game should work when you spend £40 on it, to an extent leave some to the imagination but not pretty much everything) which leads me to believe that it's a PR stunt and marketing attempt to gain world-wide notoriety outside of the gaming community for THE biggest plot twist and breaking the fourth wall in entertainment history.


Lol, I write as a hobby as well. Do you write fan fiction or original stuff and do you upload it somewhere? Just curious.

As for the expansion thing i really hope they make any ending related DLC free as the backlash will be pretty burtal if they dont.

But as for the plot twist thing I fully agree. If Bioware pulls this of like we theorize they stand to gain an enormous amount of attention as well as probably regaining the trust of any fans that felt led down by the ending and/or DA2. It could secure their position as the top writers in the gaming world for years.

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lomar1o wrote...

By biotic god............... "people without internet connection" gdamn go buy a cheap wi fi router plug it in and be happy..


Honestly, who plays mainstream video games but doesnt have any access to the internet?? Al Qaeda, thats who. If you dont have internet you are a terrorist!!:bandit:

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Vade Katana wrote...

Just done my first massive indoc theory read up. (Yeah sorry i'm late, just kinda ignored it)

All these tweets are making me get my hopes up. Dont ruin it Bioware.

Indoc theory sounds extremely interesting.


Any recent tweets that indicate IT?

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If IT is true( I still believe it's wishfull thinking from the fans part) then they should have given the real ending when the game released.
Also if it was the intention of Bioware to indoctrinate you, I think that there should be more subtle hints throughout the game, not only in the beginning and at the end, maybe show some spectre hunt you down.
Why doesn't Javik, EDI or  Liara  see that you are indoctrinated, Javik had to fight in a much dirtier war then "we"are fighting now against the reapers and he sure as hell must be able to see indoctrination when it occurs, EDI would recognize it, she is reaper tech through extend and Liara does this mindmelt thing  furthermore the Geth would have noticed...so if it is IT then I hope they have enough literary cement to cover up plotholes since I believe it will create just as much holes as it will fill up
Anyhow this is what I thought or at least hope that they will come up with:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9992961/407#10560783

Here's an alternative ( possibly better) ending:
You wake up after the horrible ending that it is now.
You"ll see dr Chakwash looking at you asking if you're alright, you give your answer then you ask what happended, she says:
You got blasted by a piece of rubble we just found you,
you then ask what happened, to which Chakwash replies:

Anderson was the only one left standing, took a bom with him and in the end sacrificed himself by blowing up the Citadel.
Since
you don't sound surprised, Chakwash asks why you don't sound surprised,
then you explain about a dream you had about the starchild and the
whole aftermath of that.
Then Chakwash kinda chuckles mentioning
something about that the blow might have damaged the brains more then
she expected( humor is the best remedy and will make everyone forget
about it, trust me), you then look up and see a reaper and you try to
push chakwash to safety ( or if your renegade use here as shield), she
replies, always the hero/always the soldier  right and then explains
that the reapers aren't doing anything anymore they just kinda hoverwith
a protective shield around them, only the husks are still moving about
being out of control attacking each other and basically everything that
moves.

She helps you get up explaining that basecamp isn't very
far and that most of them are alright /most of them are dead/50-50 ,
which is based on what your choices were in the previous games .
you
walk around the corner and chakwash get's blasted  by a rachni reaper
thing ( forgot the name), based on your choice you either give her the
last medigel you have or say that it's survival of the fittest and leave
her.
then you ( or both of you) get to cover and a piece of gameplay
starts where you stay in immediate danger mode ( with the red veins in
the screen and the heart beating sound) when you saved Chakwash which
makes it relative difficult to kill the husks and th erachni reaper
thing ( chakwash isn't a very good shot) or when you picked the renegade
mode you run through it with relative ease.
when you( both) get
passed this little thing another cutscene happens where a harvester
appears you think **** but then the cavalery arrives in the form of
random teammates ( depends on choices in past games and this one as
well, which one is alive) in the hammerhead or mako, they blow up the
harvester, patch both of you up and take you to basecamp.
once there
you find out that the illusive man is there, but he is dying and wants
to speak to you urgently, you can go around basecamp where you can help
people out  buy supplies, upgrades before you go to TIM, when you arrive
there you find out that the final scenes of the horrible ending that it
is now is partly true and that he is amazed that you know about the
starchild, he thinks that you hav ethis knowledge because you have
absorbed some prothean ability when you touched the beacon in ME1
( Jarvik agrees if you have him/is sill alive and around) and when you
got covered in rubble you got all these sensations which made you see
what transpired on the citadel/crucible albeit in kind of a dream.
He
explains that he was controlling the reapers to stop and that he saw
anderson running at the other end with the bomb and blew himself up at
that point the starchild disappears and TIM sees Harbinger , but not the
Harbinger whe are used to, Harbinger is pleeding to help the reapers
out of their enslavement and gives them coordinates to a hidden system
with a mass relay which transports you to reaper space and a processing
plant.
This is all done in a cgi cutscene with TIM as a voiceover.
TIM dies telling he's sorry for all the things he has done ( paragon) or saying he did it all for the greater good ( renegade).



You
then  have the ability to do some shopping /help some people there
before taking ( what's left of your) team to the Normandy and about to
leave, then a cutscene starts when you are about to leave when the
reapers start up again and assuming control of husks and the likes again
and start attacking the basecamp ( which is the last remnant of
humanity), now depending on your choices the following happens:
-If
you didn't help everyone ( meaning saved the Rachni queen, reuniting the
geth/quarians, curing the genophage) they don't stand a chance and most
of them will die, you turn away ans say something  like let's make them
count
- if you did  help everyone , the rachni arrive as well as the
krogan lead by Wrex , the remnant of the asari, jack with here biotics
squad and the geth and quarians yelling at you that they"ll manage you
smile at them , they smile back and you leave
-if you did 50-50
,played grey then the allies that arrive will shout that you can't do
anything here and that you just leave and do your thing, you scream back
that you"ll be back to come to help and you leave.

then a flying
cutscene happens  where you are chased by Harbinger  and a lot of
reapers leaving earth alone where several things happen where the
outcome differs depending on your previous choices.
basically if you
played paragon EDI hacks several reapers causing some of them to die, if
you play renegade EDI is taken over by Harbinger and either you shoot
her ( renegade interupt) or Joker does .
Depending if you had
everyones allegience and had all the ship upgrades you hit the final
relay either with a fully functional ship or  a damaged one.

Once
you enter the system  a cutscene starts where scanners indicate
activity on one of the planets, where you either land the normandy in a
clearing or crash there.
If you crash then one of the following happens:
- If EDI survived in the previous happening she convinces joker to leave the ship
-if EDI died Joker explains that he can't leave since a remnant of EDI is still alive and that he loves her

If
the Normandy just lands Joker says that he and EDI will pick you up and
that you just ahve to shout, like you usually do when you need
something from him.....

You leave the ship with your team ( all
of them not just 3) and approach a big facility which appears to be a
reaper birthpllace, the surroundings are like the overlord DLC from ME2,
a lush planet where there is plenty of wildlife almost idylic .
Once
there, it becomes clear that there are a couple of objectives one is
the main objective and there is choice of two  others  which is helping
Asari from being processed or getting valuable reaper technology, it now
depends on how much of your team is still alive and if you spoke to
them regularly /shown interest  if you are able to do the sidequests and
if all of them survive ( this isn't dependent on qualities of the
individuals they are all battle hardened) if you choose the reaper tech
option  and Liara is your LI she breaks with you and goes to the asari
alone, you"ll never hear from her again.
If you haven't talked to
Jarvik regularly  and you pick save the asari he will break with you
because of your stupid decisions and lack of leadership, depending on
how much you spoke with the rest they will leave with him or stay.

If
only 2 other squad members are alive  you can only do the main
objective, where you finally encounter someone who is overseeing the
reaper proces, which is the one who didn't survive Virmire (nonVS) you
fight him/her and when you beat the nonVS and he/she is dying ( for the
2nd time) he/she explains that the reapers are being controlled by
organics she doesn't know who, but does know how to get where they are.
when the nonVS dies depending of the things you said in ME1 and your
alignment is very personal( "it was an honor to have known you 
commander") or distant( "I just did my duty") you then approach a
console retrieve the data and then hail Joker or if he died you run to a
shuttle which is somewhere outside

Joker replies sayin something
funny  and EDI corecting him, but also says we didn't call to soon and
that he is already waiting outside on the platform either in the
Normandy ( if it was intact) or in the shuttle, because our friend
Harbinger has arrived and is blasting the facilty, you leave with
cloaking tech of the shuttle or normandy.
If you still hav eJoker you get past without a scratch if he died you get blasted and barely make it to the coordinates.

Once
you are there  and land on the planet( have not thought about design,
but I am thinking a planet which appears to have artifacts and
architecture of all the cycles combined in a sort of a mix which has to
feel alien and familiar alike..good luck level designers :P ) once you
land a hologram pops up which shows a prothean who explains that special
forces of the prothean once found out about this place and that it was
controlled by another race which we haven't heard about who had  created
the reapers and had a conflict similar like the geth and Quarians, only
this race wasn't going for the peace option and attacked them, the
syntetics which the reapers are only defended themselves so it was a bit
of tie, the galaxy back then however wasn't that peace ful and was in
constant conflict and when other races realised the position of the
elder race was weakened by the war with their syntetics they attacked ,
being desperate th eelder race deviced a way to control the reapers but
instead of only holding back their organic aggresor the elder race opted
to destroy all organic live which they viewed as a threat.
Once this
was done they created the citadel to monitor development of the galaxy
and once it developed in something which the elder race perceived a
threat they wiped out all organic life again and use genetic material
from that to strengthen themselves, because only a few of the elder race
survived the initial onslaught they didn't have a large enough gene
pool to sustain evolution.
When the remnant of the protheans arrived
the elder race enslaved them, but underestimated them and finally the
Protheans overcame the elder race and wiped them out for good, in the
end they opted to continu the cycle since they were not exactly fluffy
bunnies and several hundreds of years had past and their own society had
been destroyed ( time is different on the elder planet, moves slower).
this is all shown in a nice CGI cutscene.
When the cutscene ends  the prothean offers you a choice as well:
- Join them as their slaves ( crew lives but current cycle get's wiped out )
- Fight them

when
you choose to fight , which I assume everyone will do a final end
battle starts where your entire crew fights with you  against the
protheans if you saved the reaper technology you can use their own
defenses against them if you choose to save the asari they will use
biotics to destroy their defenses.
once you beat them you can
approach a console where a VI appears in the shape of one ofthe elder
race which resembles  a grey old version of you( not to similar just
recogniseable) but still of a different race which resembles a human) he
presents you with choices:
-Destroy the elder planet  and rid the galaxy of the cycle, leaving the future open.Reapers leave organic space
-Assume control of the facility  and continu the cycle killing everyone Reapers are under your control now.

Then depening on all the choices you have made you get  a different endsequence...
-you not coming back but sitting on a throne like position  where you the last thing you here yourself say : assuming conrol
-
you die in the explosion of the elder planet because the normandy
didn't survive the onslaught, but you see either everyone surviving in a
cutscene and a celebrating galaxy or you see a heavily damaged galaxy
but stil standing and rebuilding grimly everyone leaves each other  the
council is disbanded and the galactic society disolves.
Everything is based on your choices
-
a little cutscene of the last moments of the battle that started on
earth when you left  and a  cutscene of your life ending in your burial
with your friends varying in age( some races age more quickly)
and
you have a child which is named afer the character that didn't survive
Virmire which is revealed when the mother/father says that they need to
leave.

This is just something I whipped up in a couple of hours
so it could use some refinement, but it's already better than the ending
as it is now, you are also free to use it all or just segments of it
but please fix the damn ending :P



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I did think that the swtiched colors for the control/destroy was weird.

But if indoctrination is the case, and none of what we experienced actually happened and was just a hallucination, then doesnt that make the ending even more stupid?

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tobito113 wrote...

Vade Katana wrote...

Just done my first massive indoc theory read up. (Yeah sorry i'm late, just kinda ignored it)

All these tweets are making me get my hopes up. Dont ruin it Bioware.

Indoc theory sounds extremely interesting.


Any recent tweets that indicate IT?


I keep asking the same thing. The community rep (Jessica) hints at it several times and has even linked this thread in her posts. I'd like to see other people besides her spoonfeeding the theory though. Anyone have any other suggestive tweets?

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PluralAces wrote...

I did think that the swtiched colors for the control/destroy was weird.

But if indoctrination is the case, and none of what we experienced actually happened and was just a hallucination, then doesnt that make the ending even more stupid?


Thats for you to decide. To me it makes the ending better than anything i thought they would do. I figured there would be a twist but, this... this is epic.

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JTP117 wrote...

Okay, I'm in the one of the godchild dreams right now. I decided to walk into a group of the shadow figures to see if they said anything. I could hear them whispering. I swear to god I heard them say "don't trust him", "Get back commander" , "Someone outside is coming" (when I got close to the boy), "SHEPARD! (really loud elderly male voice), every time I got in a group of the whisps, "Stay away from him, trust yourself" (that one sent chills up my spine)


Can someone confirm this? This would be a really strong evidence

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PluralAces wrote...

I did think that the swtiched colors for the control/destroy was weird.

But if indoctrination is the case, and none of what we experienced actually happened and was just a hallucination, then doesnt that make the ending even more stupid?


bioware's customers have followed shepard for 3 games. In those 3 games, theyve seen everything shepard has. If they managed to create such a vivid hallucination that those who were fooled by it just as shepard was created an uproar that made world-wide news...yeah. I'd say they pulled off a pretty amazing feat of an ending.

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tobito113 wrote...


JTP117 wrote...

Okay, I'm in the one of the godchild dreams right now. I decided to walk into a group of the shadow figures to see if they said anything. I could hear them whispering. I swear to god I heard them say "don't trust him", "Get back commander" , "Someone outside is coming" (when I got close to the boy), "SHEPARD! (really loud elderly male voice), every time I got in a group of the whisps, "Stay away from him, trust yourself" (that one sent chills up my spine)


Can someone confirm this? This would be a really strong evidence


I don't have any capture equiptment unfortunately. I found it in the dream after Mordin's sacrifice. I'll keep a look out if it happens again in the next dream

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tobito113 wrote...


JTP117 wrote...

Okay, I'm in the one of the godchild dreams right now. I decided to walk into a group of the shadow figures to see if they said anything. I could hear them whispering. I swear to god I heard them say "don't trust him", "Get back commander" , "Someone outside is coming" (when I got close to the boy), "SHEPARD! (really loud elderly male voice), every time I got in a group of the whisps, "Stay away from him, trust yourself" (that one sent chills up my spine)


Can someone confirm this? This would be a really strong evidence


Yes yes someone do confirm it please.

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Has anyone taken into account that the Prothean VI explicitly says that the Catalyst was not originally a part of the Crucible, and was added later by an unknown civilization? What if those that added the Catalyst as the schematic were actually indoctrinated and following plans that helped the Reapers rather than hindering them?

I mean, it is obvious that by following the Catalyst instructions as they are you are destroying galactic civilization, not saving it. The Reapers MO is shutting down the Relays, the Catalyst DOES JUST THAT, no matter if you choose Synthesis, Destroy or Control. The outcome is irrelevant as the Relays are destroyed forever, not just temporarily disabled, which is even better for the Reapers because now we know they dont need the Relays to be in place in order to start reaping rapidly.

I know, it sounds kinda odd, but I want to hear what you think about it, and if you considered that fact. All in all, I support the IT, but felt these could have played a part.


PS: Playing right now, I will try to confirm the whisperings.

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