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[waldstr18]

since your theory can explain everything in the game, do you have an explanation why the asari were not warned by their prothean beacon?

the beacon were deployed to warn about the next reaper invasion, and since the asari have used it to learn about technology, the beacon should have also told them about the reapers. and even if they didnt use it, beacons interact with organics automatically, so some of the asaris should have at least got the same vision shepard got.

im not looking for another discussion about the i.t., i just thought since you guys seem to have looked at every inch of the game 1 to 700 times, you might have an idea. maybe i just missed something.

[MarkasLin]

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

[Esternogligen]

Beacons were used across the entire Prothean Empire as a means of general communication.
Not all beacons were created after the Reaper Invasion. They have found one even older than the "reaping" when their empire was at its apex.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

waldstr18 wrote...

since your theory can explain everything in the game, do you have an explanation why the asari were not warned by their prothean beacon?

the beacon were deployed to warn about the next reaper invasion, and since the asari have used it to learn about technology, the beacon should have also told them about the reapers. and even if they didnt use it, beacons interact with organics automatically, so some of the asaris should have at least got the same vision shepard got.

im not looking for another discussion about the i.t., i just thought since you guys seem to have looked at every inch of the game 1 to 700 times, you might have an idea. maybe i just missed something.

They would have needed Shepards Cipher or a living Prothean to view the warning. As it was, compiled with squadmate comments and discussion, we assumed they were using conventional methods decoding data in the beacon to establish technological advancements and superiority for decades. The warning isn't the only data contained in the beacons, there could be centuries of information logged in each one.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 26 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

since your theory can explain everything in the game, do you have an explanation why the asari were not warned by their prothean beacon?

the beacon were deployed to warn about the next reaper invasion, and since the asari have used it to learn about technology, the beacon should have also told them about the reapers. and even if they didnt use it, beacons interact with organics automatically, so some of the asaris should have at least got the same vision shepard got.

im not looking for another discussion about the i.t., i just thought since you guys seem to have looked at every inch of the game 1 to 700 times, you might have an idea. maybe i just missed something.

Think back to the start ME1, how much of that beacon did Sheaprd understand at first? Just about Zip.

[waldstr18]

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

[Dwailing]

MarkasLin wrote...

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

It also could have had something to do with the Prothean who may or may not have been standing next to him. 

[Denvian]

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

They had to decode every bit of information they got out of it. Imagine you find a computer that uses a completely different coding process.  You may be able to get information off it but you would need a lot of time to decode it.  Shepard was able to access it like a prothean so it was a lot faster.

Or at least that is how I understand it.

Modifié par Denvian, 26 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

The tech might have come from studying the beacon itself and not its content or maybe they managed to decode small parts of it like figuring out a Blue-print even if they did not understand the text, kinda like the following cycle would probably have to deal with Liara´s boxes and their stored blue print of the Crucible.

[Denvian]

Dwailing wrote...

MarkasLin wrote...

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

It also could have had something to do with the Prothean who may or may not have been standing next to him. 

What? no one payed for that DLC... ok maybe I did... don't judge me.

[Peregrin25]

Dwailing wrote...

MarkasLin wrote...

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

It also could have had something to do with the Prothean who may or may not have been standing next to him. 

Actually when you are on Thessia, if you have EDI with you on that mission She actually states that no one could have understood what the Beacon says because they didn't have the Prothean Cypher that Shepard has. Or states somthing along those lines. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

Any piece of prothean technology, even if it's not functional, even if no one knows how it works, has proven to advance the technology of any species that can analyze it. Could be something simple like reducing communication lag or something big like how to make an Eezo core and achieve FTL speeds. You wouldn't have to view any messages from a beacon, only decode raw data and analyze physical pieces of the beacon. At least thats what the ME Universe lets us beleive.

Think of it this way, before ME1 and the discovery of the working beacon and Shepards Cipher that eventually decoded it, the galaxy still made advancements using prothean And reaper technology (the citadel, the mass relays) without ever knowing there something like the Cipher that could help them understand Prothean language/technology that much easier.

[byne]

Denvian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MarkasLin wrote...

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

It also could have had something to do with the Prothean who may or may not have been standing next to him. 

What? no one payed for that DLC... ok maybe I did... don't judge me.

You also get Javik free with the CE

[Peregrin25]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

Any piece of prothean technology, even if it's not functional, even if no one knows how it works, has proven to advance the technology of any species that can analyze it. Could be something simple like reducing communication lag or something big like how to make an Eezo core and achieve FTL speeds. You wouldn't have to view any messages from a beacon, only decode raw data and analyze physical pieces of the beacon. At least thats what the ME Universe lets us beleive.

Think of it this way, before ME1 and the discovery of the working beacon and Shepards Cipher that eventually decoded it, the galaxy still made advancements using prothean And reaper technology (the citadel, the mass relays) without ever knowing there something like the Cipher that could help them understand Prothean language/technology that much easier.

The Citadel and the Mass Relays were made by the Reapers no one else. They even state that in the story!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Denvian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MarkasLin wrote...

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

It also could have had something to do with the Prothean who may or may not have been standing next to him. 

What? no one payed for that DLC... ok maybe I did... don't judge me.

Hey he is cool squadmate adding some fun new perspectives on the lore and much bettter integrated than Kasumi and Zaeed was (though Kasumi´s mission was better). I like it.

[greywardencommander]

Which explains the fact that it thought Shepard was a Prothean BUT then could have shut down upon detecting Shepard's gradual indoctrination (you're made to think it's because of Kai Leng but also the Reapers that fly past at that moment) but seeing as the VI couldn't detect Protheans who were undergoing indoctrination it is possible that it is more likely to be the latter, Kai Leng (fully indoctrinated) or the Reapers

[waldstr18]

thanks a bunch for all the good and quick answers.

[earth_angel]

blueboxblues wrote...

 Has anyone been following the Alliance News Network Twitter account? 
  http://twitter.com/#!/AllianceNewsNet 

It's been posting about attacks and stuff that happen in the game...today it just posted that asari space was attacked. Has anyone mentioned that they might be in time with the game and an announcement? I mean, now we know that we'll hear something in April, but maybe the ANN updates have been in "real time" with events in the game (so to speak) and the announcement will come, like, when the final assault on Earth "happens?" I'm not sure if my rambling makes sense but I kind of hope this is the case because it's cool haha.

nice catch! That would be great indeed!

[greywardencommander]

Peregrin25 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

Any piece of prothean technology, even if it's not functional, even if no one knows how it works, has proven to advance the technology of any species that can analyze it. Could be something simple like reducing communication lag or something big like how to make an Eezo core and achieve FTL speeds. You wouldn't have to view any messages from a beacon, only decode raw data and analyze physical pieces of the beacon. At least thats what the ME Universe lets us beleive.

Think of it this way, before ME1 and the discovery of the working beacon and Shepards Cipher that eventually decoded it, the galaxy still made advancements using prothean And reaper technology (the citadel, the mass relays) without ever knowing there something like the Cipher that could help them understand Prothean language/technology that much easier.

The Citadel and the Mass Relays were made by the Reapers no one else. They even state that in the story!

they mean Prothean - Beacons
Reapers - Citadel and mass relays
not that both are Prothean and Reapers combined efforts

[Hunter_Wolf]

MarkasLin wrote...

The asari did not have the Prothean Cipher that Shepard has. The VI only appeared because it thought Shepard was a prothean.

Shepard didn't have the Cipher when he pulled Ashley from the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime. So it doesn't matter. The only argument that can be made is, Shepard was just lucky and his physiology managed to react differently than an Asari would.

waldstr18 wrote...
the beacon were deployed to warn about the next reaper invasion, and since the asari have used it to learn about technology, the beacon should have also told them about the reapers. and even if they didnt use it, beacons interact with organics automatically, so some of the asaris should have at least got the same vision shepard got. 

 

It had been about 50,000 years so we don't know what entailed when the first Asari witnessed it. We do know at some point the Asari culture rectified a statue that encased the thing so sometime in their history they just stopped caring or forgot. 

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 26 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[N7xELITE]

What would you do if Shepard was dreaming everything and wakes up in a train in new York in 2012.

[Kanon777]

earth_angel wrote...

blueboxblues wrote...

 Has anyone been following the Alliance News Network Twitter account? 
  http://twitter.com/#!/AllianceNewsNet 

It's been posting about attacks and stuff that happen in the game...today it just posted that asari space was attacked. Has anyone mentioned that they might be in time with the game and an announcement? I mean, now we know that we'll hear something in April, but maybe the ANN updates have been in "real time" with events in the game (so to speak) and the announcement will come, like, when the final assault on Earth "happens?" I'm not sure if my rambling makes sense but I kind of hope this is the case because it's cool haha.

nice catch! That would be great indeed!

Pax is next week so it better come soon

[Peregrin25]

greywardencommander wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

but then the asari couldnt have taken tech from it, could they? and if they didnt know what the beacon was for, why hide it?

Any piece of prothean technology, even if it's not functional, even if no one knows how it works, has proven to advance the technology of any species that can analyze it. Could be something simple like reducing communication lag or something big like how to make an Eezo core and achieve FTL speeds. You wouldn't have to view any messages from a beacon, only decode raw data and analyze physical pieces of the beacon. At least thats what the ME Universe lets us beleive.

Think of it this way, before ME1 and the discovery of the working beacon and Shepards Cipher that eventually decoded it, the galaxy still made advancements using prothean And reaper technology (the citadel, the mass relays) without ever knowing there something like the Cipher that could help them understand Prothean language/technology that much easier.

The Citadel and the Mass Relays were made by the Reapers no one else. They even state that in the story!

they mean Prothean - Beacons
Reapers - Citadel and mass relays
not that both are Prothean and Reapers combined efforts

Ahh ahh ok yeah. goctah!

[Dendio1]

Thread is moving so fast, I cant keep up

I cant remember a game where I got so much out of the ending. Ive gone back and looked at things in a different light. Its been pretty enjoyable seeing all of the hints bioware spread through out the game.

Hold the line for indoctrination theory!

Modifié par Dendio1, 26 mars 2012 - 09:27 .