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[greywardencommander]

Skillz1986 wrote...

I notices something that may or may not be off topic, but definitely keeps bothering me and...at least the way i see it, is an indicator for at least "one more story".
Also...i wonder how nobody else brought that up so far...at least i haven't seen it.

Remember the early screenshots of that cerberus dude crashing through the window of the normandy's captain's cabin?as far as i remember he (she/it) was also featured in the femshep trailer. whatever happened to that guy...i thought it was a pretty decent action sequence...and yet, it didn't happen. at least i didn't notice it on my 2 playthroughs.

P.s. love idt...strongest evidence to me: codex entry/complete lack of sense in the last 10 minutes/ and of course..shep breathing

I've mentioned the framed narrative idea of stargazer which is similar to Varric in DA2 and it's potential unreliability as a plot device. I'm on my phone so can't find it but someone else feel free too quote it.
What if the ending scene is fabrication based on the legend that he fought off the Reaper's greatest weapon and won.
True it can fit in with current endings because how would he know what happens but I like my idea better.
If noone quotes it read my wall off text re. Psychology of endings and how I'd do DLC based on IDT regardless of final choice as it is
I've said before people with the codes could maybe access the ending for free because it was bought new (similar to Cerberus network in ME2) thus don't have to charge thus whole idea of that being a problem is moot.

[greywardencommander]

Skillz1986 wrote...

I notices something that may or may not be off topic, but definitely keeps bothering me and...at least the way i see it, is an indicator for at least "one more story".
Also...i wonder how nobody else brought that up so far...at least i haven't seen it.

Remember the early screenshots of that cerberus dude crashing through the window of the normandy's captain's cabin?as far as i remember he (she/it) was also featured in the femshep trailer. whatever happened to that guy...i thought it was a pretty decent action sequence...and yet, it didn't happen. at least i didn't notice it on my 2 playthroughs.

P.s. love idt...strongest evidence to me: codex entry/complete lack of sense in the last 10 minutes/ and of course..shep breathing

I've mentioned the framed narrative idea of stargazer which is similar to Varric in DA2 and it's potential unreliability as a plot device. I'm on my phone so can't find it but someone else feel free too quote it.
What if the ending scene is fabrication based on the legend that he fought off the Reaper's greatest weapon and won.
True it can fit in with current endings because how would he know what happens but I like my idea better.
If noone quotes it read my wall of text in signature thread re. Psychology of endings and how I'd do DLC based on IDT regardless of final choice as it is
I've said before people with the codes could maybe access the ending for free because it was bought new (similar to Cerberus network in ME2) thus don't have to charge thus whole idea of that being a problem is moot.

[DarkValor]

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one that remembers that EDI is made by a engineering from a Reaper technology?

If I remember correctly EDI stated that she started as the VI that went crazy on the moon back in ME1...

Dark.

[masster blaster]

If IT is true then, if you pick Control or Synthesis. Can any of you kill your squad mates/Love Interest if it came to the part were you have to chose between them or you?

[Gudmoore]

DarkValor wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one that remembers that EDI is made by a engineering from a Reaper technology?

If I remember correctly EDI stated that she started as the VI that went crazy on the moon back in ME1...

Dark.

I could swear hearing her say something about being under attack or something while she was starting to gain self-awareness too. So it sounds like it may of been more of a Geth-like situation.

Modifié par Gudmoore, 27 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one that remembers that EDI is made by a engineering from a Reaper technology?

I think she's more reverse engineered.The Separd would be destroying the reapers source of power/communication , edi/geth wouldn't be using this source and should remain unaffected by it.

[DarkValor]

Gudmoore wrote...

I could swear hearing her say something about being under attack or something while she was starting to gain self-awareness too. So it sounds like it may of been more of a Geth-like situation.

I'm pretty sure it was mentioned during the Cerberus Base at the end when Shep was looking at those videos about himself and EDI.

Dark.

[baruaru]

DarkValor wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one that remembers that EDI is made by a engineering from a Reaper technology?

If I remember correctly EDI stated that she started as the VI that went crazy on the moon back in ME1...

Dark.

Crazed AI + Reaper technology = Holy crap!


Considering that, EDI probably moved into EVA body to accelerate the indoc. . (Because she would be able to accompany shepard thru the.... "Missions") .


But on the other hand, she might aswell not be aware of what her "presence" are doing, too.

Modifié par baruaru, 27 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[SaabFAN86]

As my little thread is likely to drown in the flood of new threads, and i think this may add to the discussion here, I would like to share my theory about the Illusive Man with you.

I think, in all this rage about the endings and the focus on the
indoctrination-theory, the Illusive Man has become somewhat forgotten.
So I gave this topic some thought and based on my belief that the
Indoctrination-Ending is the real ending (the other one doesn't make any
sense to me at all and much evidence points to indoctrination) i
developed the following theory: 

The Illusive Man first saw
Shepard as a opponent (ME1) that threatened his plans to secure the
leadership of the Galaxy for Humanity. To reach his goal, he
experimented with rachni and Reaper-Tech and saw the potential in
the Reapers as a tool for his goals. It is possible that he also had a
more direct Contact with the reapers in this time and came under a
slight Indoctrination-Influence that was somewhat counteracted by his
Cybernetic Implants (for example his eyes). I think it may even be
possible that he tried to establish himself as some kind of Agent for
the Reapers while plotting to control the Reapers in the Background.

After
Shepard destroyed Sovereign at the Citadel, the Reapers (through the
Collectors) became aware of the Thread Shepard posed to them and as a
result The Illusive Man saw him as a potential tool to get to the
Reapers. But to protect him from the Indoctrination, he had to fit
Shepard with cybernetic Implants too. As Shepard would never allow
Cerberus to implant Cybernetics in his Brain and to get him out of the
Reapers sight, he decided to get him killed and later revive him through
the use of Cybernetics.
After Shepard "joined" Cerberus, he used
him to get to the Collectors and their base in order to get his hands of
the Infant-Reaper there and to control it.
Maybe he even planned to
let Shepard die on the Station so that the Collectors would integrate
his DNA (and the Cerberus-Implants) into the Human-Reaper which could
then be controlled by Cerberus through the Implants (I am tinking
Implants built by Nanoprobes that are stored inside Shepard and are
similar to the Nanoprobes of the Borg from Star Trek).

When
this Plan failed (My Shepard blew the Collector-Base to hell), he used
his Backup-Plan in which he experimented on Husks to crack the
Indoctrination-Signal and turn it against the reapers. If i have
understood it correctly, he came very close to finish this plan on the
Refugee-Planet.
But after dealing with the Reapers for a longer time
than Shepard, he ultimately succumbed to the Indoctrination and began
to Act in ways that supported the Reapers and finally he became another
Husk in the vast Army of Husks the Reaper posess.

But his
Actions provided Shepard with the necessary Advantage to withstand the
Indoctrination-Attempts of the Reapers in the Dream-Sequence after he is
hit by the Beam.
That way he is similar to Gollum, who is at the
right Spot at the right Time but for the wrong reasons and deserves as
much Credit for saving the Galaxy as the Frontline-Hero who acted out of
compassion while he acted egoistic.

Modifié par SaabFAN86, 27 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[BleedingUranium]

Skillz1986 wrote...

I notices something that may or may not be off topic, but definitely keeps bothering me and...at least the way i see it, is an indicator for at least "one more story".
Also...i wonder how nobody else brought that up so far...at least i haven't seen it.

Remember the early screenshots of that cerberus dude crashing through the window of the normandy's captain's cabin?as far as i remember he (she/it) was also featured in the femshep trailer. whatever happened to that guy...i thought it was a pretty decent action sequence...and yet, it didn't happen. at least i didn't notice it on my 2 playthroughs.

P.s. love idt...strongest evidence to me: codex entry/complete lack of sense in the last 10 minutes/ and of course..shep breathing

Here's the screenshot, I don't know where it's from, but not the FemShep or Launch trailers, I just watched them.

http://i1007.photobu...nix7/KLCME3.jpg

EDIT: Also, I feel this is very interesting:

From 0:35 to 1:50, but specifically the crystal. If you've seen Lord of the Rings, the wording is very very close to when Galadriel gave Frodo the little bottle of glowing liquid, in the first movie, and it was forgotten by everyone, including Frodo, until the spider fight in ROTK.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 27 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[legaldinho]

McGrzegorz wrote...

Has anyone posted this yet? Even if it's fake - it sounds cool

It's not fake, I did this yesterday.
Unfortunately he didn't go on to approach the kid slowly, just short of triggering the second and final mini cut scene. Try it, it will blow your mind.

[Either.Ardrey]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

I notices something that may or may not be off topic, but definitely keeps bothering me and...at least the way i see it, is an indicator for at least "one more story".
Also...i wonder how nobody else brought that up so far...at least i haven't seen it.

Remember the early screenshots of that cerberus dude crashing through the window of the normandy's captain's cabin?as far as i remember he (she/it) was also featured in the femshep trailer. whatever happened to that guy...i thought it was a pretty decent action sequence...and yet, it didn't happen. at least i didn't notice it on my 2 playthroughs.

P.s. love idt...strongest evidence to me: codex entry/complete lack of sense in the last 10 minutes/ and of course..shep breathing

Here's the screenshot, I don't know where it's from, but not the FemShep or Launch trailers, I just watched them.

http://i1007.photobu...nix7/KLCME3.jpg

That's just concept art, from what I've gathered. It's not a screen. It could've been an early, unused idea.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

baruaru wrote...

DarkValor wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one that remembers that EDI is made by a engineering from a Reaper technology?

If I remember correctly EDI stated that she started as the VI that went crazy on the moon back in ME1...

Dark.

Crazed AI + Reaper technology = Holy crap!


Considering that, EDI probably moved into EVA body to accelerate the indoc. . (Because she would be able to accompany shepard thru the.... "Missions") .


But on the other hand, she might aswell not be aware of what her "presence" are doing, too.

I don't think so , she seems to be more Star Trek's Data more than anything else.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 27 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[DarkValor]

baruaru wrote...
Crazed AI + Reaper technology = Holy crap!

Considering that, EDI probably moved into EVA body to accelerate the indoc. . (Because she would be able to accompany shepard thru the.... "Missions") .

But on the other hand, she might aswell not be aware of what her "presence" are doing, too.

I wouldn't go that far and at the same time I could be remembering it all incorrectly.

Dark.

[samuraix87]

we still havent seen a reapers true form yet other than the larva in me2

[Skillz1986]

Yeah my bad..also just watched them, but i'm pretty sure i saw it as a video..not only a picture...maybe the enemy trailer---->research

[masster blaster]

During the part when Joker is reporting the fleets that have arrived, he does not call the Terminus fleet,Salarien fleet( if you cure the Genoghagy but help save the Salarien councilor for ME1 then they grant you a fleet in return from saving their councilor),and the rest of the Alien fleets they do not report, but Joker says all fleets are reporting in so....

After the reporting in notice even with the fleets combined power, and 100%/ 7115 military strength your fleet is still weak despite all the morale boosting, and upgraded weaponry and armor/shields from the tech that Sovereign had on it. I know they are hard to kill but come on. If the Prothiens fought the Reapers for centuries and can survive, then why all of a sudden the do th Reapers have already taken over everything when it took the Prothiens to lose everything with in centuries.

[baruaru]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

baruaru wrote...

DarkValor wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one that remembers that EDI is made by a engineering from a Reaper technology?

If I remember correctly EDI stated that she started as the VI that went crazy on the moon back in ME1...

Dark.

Crazed AI + Reaper technology = Holy crap!


Considering that, EDI probably moved into EVA body to accelerate the indoc. . (Because she would be able to accompany shepard thru the.... "Missions") .


But on the other hand, she might aswell not be aware of what her "presence" are doing, too.

I don't think so , she seems to be more Star Trek's Data more than anything else.

[...] The Illusive Man restricted Commander Shepard's access to some of EDI's files and capabilities for unknown reasons [...]

Taken from the mass wiki. And forgot to add that she were designed from sovereign.


But like i said: She might not being aware on whats her presence are doing on the shepard.


Well, coming from the T.I.M. team, nothing is impossible.

[Coachdongwiffle]

wow I didn't realize how dumb this theory was until I read about it. Are you people to proud of Bioware to admit that maybe there ending just didn't make sense?

[masster blaster]

I know this is off the IT theory, but do you all find it funny that you actually meet EDI in ME1, but was that rouge AI or VI on the moon during one mission you receive from Hacket.That was reviled during the log data in Cerberus command base.

Modifié par masster blaster, 27 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[Either.Ardrey]

Coachdongwiffle wrote...

wow I didn't realize how dumb this theory was until I read about it. Are you people to proud of Bioware to admit that maybe there ending just didn't make sense?

That was exactly how this thread got started.

[IronSabbath88]

Coachdongwiffle wrote...

wow I didn't realize how dumb this theory was until I read about it. Are you people to proud of Bioware to admit that maybe there ending just didn't make sense?

u mad bro?

Cause you picked the wrong ending?

[masster blaster]

Coachdongwiffle wrote...

wow I didn't realize how dumb this theory was until I read about it. Are you people to proud of Bioware to admit that maybe there ending just didn't make sense?

Then why asn't Bioware tolled the people that IT is wrong?

[Baal Sagoth]

Coachdongwiffle wrote...

wow I didn't realize how dumb this theory was until I read about it. Are you people to proud of Bioware to admit that maybe there ending just didn't make sense?

It is very likely that You are right. It is safe to assume that BW just dropped the ball.

But while keeping healthy distance from Indo Theory I still think it is interesting and there is a chance for something unexpected to happen.

[DarkValor]

masster blaster wrote...

During the part when Joker is reporting the fleets that have arrived, he does not call the Terminus fleet,Salarien fleet( if you cure the Genoghagy but help save the Salarien councilor for ME1 then they grant you a fleet in return from saving their councilor),and the rest of the Alien fleets they do not report, but Joker says all fleets are reporting in so....

After the reporting in notice even with the fleets combined power, and 100%/ 7115 military strength your fleet is still weak despite all the morale boosting, and upgraded weaponry and armor/shields from the tech that Sovereign had on it. I know they are hard to kill but come on. If the Prothiens fought the Reapers for centuries and can survive, then why all of a sudden the do th Reapers have already taken over everything when it took the Prothiens to lose everything with in centuries.

Who knows. All that everyone can tell at the moment is that the endings are nonsense. Everyone that I've asked about it has told me the same thing. I'm waiting to see what Bioware does about it before casting judgement upon them. They're owed at least that much (I've been a fan since MDK2).

I do like the IDT but it might just be a desperate grab by the fans for making sense of the nonsense in the ending. PAX will probably be the reveal day if there's something brewing in the Bioware camp. The ending fiasco could even be a massive PR stunt but that's pure speculation.

Dark.

Modifié par DarkValor, 27 mars 2012 - 12:31 .