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[Tawg]

do people hang around this thread much >.>?

[BleedingUranium]

Tawg wrote...

do people hang around this thread much >.>?

At 50 pages per day? Yes

[Stigweird85]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Tawg wrote...

do people hang around this thread much >.>?

At 50 pages per day? Yes

It's the only thread that hasn't devolved into mindless trolling so a lot of people have ended up here.

[Hennex]

savagejuicebox wrote...

Militarized wrote...

If no one caught this I thought I'd mention it.

"Btw guys... I found another nail in the coffin of the indoctrination theory.

The shadow broker lair tech they show off, as in parts of the ship being imagined by Shepard?

If you gather all the war assets, it includes a blurb under Crucible for "shadow broker ship tech", you pick up the scraps of Liara's broker ship on a planet and they introduce it's power mechanisms into the crucible."

The part that looked like the shadow broker ship is on what is supposedly the Citadel, not the Crucible...

Exactly.  The Crucible wasn't even attatched to the Citadel until after Shepard opened the arms of the Citadel.  Shepard walked by the Shadow Broker tech before the last TIM incounter.

[Tawg]

I'm curious, if someone who actually believes this could answer, and I dunno if it's been brought up already or not (Obviously not reading this entire thread): If you were to believe this theory, why would the cut-scenes include views and action from a perspective not of Shepard's? AkA when the Relays blow up, or the Citadel, or the 'Color explosion' on Earth.

Doesn't that kinda crap on this theory, no offense?

[DarkValor]

Regardless of everyone's opinion I think the majority can agree that the ending(s) were pretty bad. The Indoctrination Theory might just be grasping at straws to make sense of nonsense but, doesn't matter. If it helps someone move on after being sucker punched by the ending, then I'm happy this thread exists.

Anyway, my two cents.

Dark.

[SauliusL]

Tawg wrote...

I'm curious, if someone who actually believes this could answer, and I dunno if it's been brought up already or not (Obviously not reading this entire thread): If you were to believe this theory, why would the cut-scenes include views and action from a perspective not of Shepard's? AkA when the Relays blow up, or the Citadel, or the 'Color explosion' on Earth.

Doesn't that kinda crap on this theory, no offense?

Was everything in the game up to that point only from Shepard's perspective? Like Mording blowing up in the tower - was Shepard also there that we could see it?

[Vahilor]

Tawg wrote...

I'm curious, if someone who actually believes this could answer, and I dunno if it's been brought up already or not (Obviously not reading this entire thread): If you were to believe this theory, why would the cut-scenes include views and action from a perspective not of Shepard's? AkA when the Relays blow up, or the Citadel, or the 'Color explosion' on Earth.

Doesn't that kinda crap on this theory, no offense?

As said by others, the ending sequences are pictures in Sheps mind to comfort him.. like blwoing up the Mass Relays so no reapers can come back or his Suqad mates an joker on a paradise like planet. That is stuff Shep wanna see.. the galaxy free or safe of Reapers and his beloved once in a safe place.

[SauliusL]

DarkValor wrote...

Regardless of everyone's opinion I think the majority can agree that the ending(s) were pretty bad. The Indoctrination Theory might just be grasping at straws to make sense of nonsense but, doesn't matter. If it helps someone move on after being sucker punched by the ending, then I'm happy this thread exists.

Anyway, my two cents.

Dark.

Well, for me the most convincing thing is that all these little hints and details (at least the biggest majority of them) are carefully crafted. If it would be just a messed up ending, we wouldn't see so many of them in quality.

[Lyria]

Its seems more like what Shepard thinks is happening.
She/he is told the relays will be destroyed, that the reapers will be destroyed/controlled/subsumed, and she/he is concerned about and wants her/his friends/li to survive.
So the endings are a representation of her thoughts at the end.
Also the galaxy map and exploding relays could be symbolism for Shepard's brain dying as her synapses flare once more then fade.

Modifié par protognosis, 27 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[wheelierdan]

no.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10676720/1
yes.

[Arian Dynas]

Two things occured to me while reading this thread.

One, in over 900 pages, 20,000 post or more, I have yet to see one mod appear/and or make a statement of any kind, even the "keep it polite" kind (which, don't get me wrong, we seem to be doing an excellent job policing ourselves)

That fact alone says something. I'm not sure what, but moderators specifically avoiding this thread? Veeeeeeeery interesting.

And two, in the huballo about "The Truth" DLC, which by this point has been fairly well debunked, people have forgotten ANOTHER rumored DLC. The Rescue, being an attempt to rescue Shepard from... something. Never clearly stated what.

We've established Shepard is both probably unconscious, in a potential coma, the war going on without him, with references to him possibly being in some kind of hospital. What do you suppose that DLC will feature, idk, say Vega or someone as squad leader in Shep's abscence, attempting a rescue mission through the bombed out runins of london, the major battle for Earth having been won by conventional means, the Reapers forced to retreat, having lost the battle but continuing the war, The Squad fights their way through Reaper ground forces left behind by the fleet's withdrawal, rescues Shep, and they get to milk us for two DLCs instead of one, for which most of us will pat happily.

I know I would.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

protognosis wrote...


Its seems more like what Shepard thinks is happening.
She/he is told the relays will be destroyed, that the reapers will be destroyed/controlled/subsumed, and she/he is concerned about and wants her/his friends/li to survive.
So the endings are a representation of her thoughts at the end.
Also the galaxy map and exploding relays could be symbolism for Shepard's brain dying as her synapses flare once more then fade.

^This , if you know and or told something bad will happen if you do a certain action.You would want the people close to you to find a way to survive which is just natural(awake or dreaming).

Heading back to bed-_-

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 27 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Tawg]

SauliusL wrote...

Was
everything in the game up to that point only from Shepard's
perspective? Like Mording blowing up in the tower - was Shepard also
there that we could see it?

No, but I am also not supposing that all of it happened inside of Shepards head like this theory is;  I mean even the post Credits scene with the Mystery Man + Child talking about the 'Tales of The Shepard' have such a strong delineation with this theory.  I would find it more belivable that that scene was put in place to make the entire series just a fake 'Mythology' or 'Fable.'

Vahilor wrote...

As said by others, the ending sequences are pictures in Sheps mind to comfort him.. like blwoing up the Mass Relays so no reapers can come back or his Suqad mates an joker on a paradise like planet. That is stuff Shep wanna see.. the galaxy free or safe of Reapers and his beloved once in a safe place.

I like the part about trying to explain why his LI would be shipped off to a new location and stepping out of the Normandy like they do   It was a little painful to watch Ash get out of the Normandy after everyone presumably died.

I mean I guess, I just don't see why 'Shep' would see these images.  The only real explination, if they had planned this, is they are seriously trying to throw the player off;  A terribly ballsy move, and a trifle bit master-mindy for a company mostly concerned with profits (EA).

It's easier to rationalize that they made mistakes IMO.

Although I will say my favorite musing is this:  Bioware (Or EA) made the endings with the intent to stir up the consumer.  This is probably the first time I've seen a player-base begging for a DLC, and to fix the ending of all things, something that any player who cares about the story at all will most likely dive at, or hell, if they do it as a free patch to 'Make amends' and win over fan loyalties.. hard.  At any rate, the idea that they made a crazy move to try and encourage DLC by getting the players to ask for it?  That interest me most.

Modifié par Tawg, 27 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[Lyria]

wheelierdan wrote...

no.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10676720/1
yes.

/facepalm

Not this again....


 

[wheelierdan]

i assure you my arguments are based on carefully crafted fact.

[Lyria]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

protognosis wrote...


Its seems more like what Shepard thinks is happening.
She/he is told the relays will be destroyed, that the reapers will be destroyed/controlled/subsumed, and she/he is concerned about and wants her/his friends/li to survive.
So the endings are a representation of her thoughts at the end.
Also the galaxy map and exploding relays could be symbolism for Shepard's brain dying as her synapses flare once more then fade.

^This , if you know and or told something bad will happen if you do a certain action.You would want the people close to you to find a way to survive which is just natural(awake or dreaming).

Heading back to bed-_-

Exactly! It all boils down to the psychology of it.The ending is a reaction to what Shepard was told would happen and it is Shepard's.last wish that her friends find peace. That she/he did something to save those that depended on her/him.

The last scene of the stargazer and child is the only thing that could be directly directed at the player as a tounge-in-cheek "pieces are missing of the story but are coming!"

Everything else is in Shepard's head.

[Dridengx]

DarkValor wrote...

Regardless of everyone's opinion I think the majority can agree that the ending(s) were pretty bad.

You mean minority

[Reptilian Rob]

As said before I don't deny nor support this theory, but I come in here from time to time to give what I can and try to help out.

Another thing I noticed that may be worth some speculation (hurr hurr) is that when you are walking towards the beam after being hit by Harbinger and walk to the far right side, someone's voice (Sounds like TIM to me) can be said saying something like "Come back" or "Go back."

I tried this multiple times on both 360 and PC, it's present in both versions.

[wheelierdan]

in all seriousness what is going to happen to this massive segment of the fanbase that believes the endings didnt happen and some secret dlc is the real ending never happens?

[Tawg]

That video is interesting.

Also, "Without Hope we have nothing." quote from game seems relevant to this thread.

[Gernbuster]

Dridengx wrote...

DarkValor wrote...

Regardless of everyone's opinion I think the majority can agree that the ending(s) were pretty bad.

You mean minority

I guess most of the player don't really care about the ending, I know 3 people who bought ME3 and never played ME1/2. They don't think the ending is great art, but they are quit ok with it. They already forgot ME at all I guess.
If u look at the fan community I am sure most fans disslike the ending.
But thats only my oppinion ^^

[RussiaTerminator]

I want to know the truth ... : (((((((

[Gernbuster]

wheelierdan wrote...

in all seriousness what is going to happen to this massive segment of the fanbase that believes the endings didnt happen and some secret dlc is the real ending never happens?

We can't understand you either, maybe you are indoctrinated?

[Martukis]

RussiaTerminator wrote...

I want to know the truth ... : (((((((

 YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
 But yeah, me too.