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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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BrinkFX wrote...

Im not sure if this has been mentioned (sorry but im not reading 1000 pages) but assuming he is indoctrinated could make sense. Shepard is considered a hero to many and so the reapers basically have him bring most of the galaxy to one system to make harvesting them quicker. Just a thought.


A subtlely indoctrinated agent who doesn't know about his/her own indoctrination and who has succeed in his/her mission, is nice. But, suddenly trying to resist the indoctrination and letting everyone build the crucible doesn't support that...

Or... Yeah... Maybe the crucible is for reaper purposes. :) So maybe Shepard's been... Not indoctrinated, but willingly doing what he thought it was the right thing to do, but it wasn't because the reapers were subtlely directing his/her actions. Oh, this kind of ending does not deserve a DLC... It deserves an Expansion pack! And they had the pannel at PAX to announce something. Nice point of view, BrinkFX!

Modifié par Erethrian, 27 mars 2012 - 12:03 .


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BrinkFX wrote...

Im not sure if this has been mentioned (sorry but im not reading 1000 pages) but assuming he is indoctrinated could make sense. Shepard is considered a hero to many and so the reapers basically have him bring most of the galaxy to one system to make harvesting them quicker. Just a thought.


Yeah it has been mentioned for various reasons Shepard being indoctrinated would be the one of the worst things that could happen to the galaxy

The entire galaxy is united under Shepard, if he is indoctrinated then straight away all of the allies will start questioning his motives  even if your actions were good.  Every decision you ever made would be under suspicion.

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I also like the idea of the "conduit" in London actually being an old artifact that was mentioned some time ago. This could explain why the reapers were initially focusing on London etc.
(pure speculations ofc)

Modifié par nyrocron, 27 mars 2012 - 12:14 .


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I think you are right, the crucible is a Reaper trap. The German translation "Tiegel/Schmelztiegel"
is used in sociologie(maybe the english word as well) for a happening, when many individuals get forced to mix up their culture etc to form a stronger nation.

Ah and of course a catalyst is just speeding up a reaction, less energie is required AND IT DOES'T GET DESTROYED IN THE PROCESS!!!!!!!!!
thats part of the official definition, just don't have the full one in my mind...

Modifié par Gernbuster, 27 mars 2012 - 12:17 .


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Gernbuster wrote...

I think you are right, the crucible is a Reaper trap. The German translation "Tiegel/Schmelztiegel"
is used in sociologie(maybe the english word as well) for a happening, when many individuals get forced to mix up their culture etc to form a stronger nation.


All hope rests on the crucible. If it is a reaper trap what chance do we have

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I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!

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Gernbuster wrote...

I think you are right, the crucible is a Reaper trap. The German translation "Tiegel/Schmelztiegel"
is used in sociologie(maybe the english word as well) for a happening, when many individuals get forced to mix up their culture etc to form a stronger nation.


Now that IS interesting or could be a coincidence

The question to naysayers is;

How many "coincidences" do you need before you see there is a patterm?


Ian Fleming wrote...
 Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action."


How many are we at now? I lost count around 10-15 coincidences markPosted Image

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Bioware stated a long time ago, that there will be no ultimate weapon in ME3, which u fire and win......ok thats month ago, but strange?

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Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!


?

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Gernbuster wrote...

Bioware stated a long time ago, that there will be no ultimate weapon in ME3, which u fire and win......ok thats month ago, but strange?


True but to counter(devil's advocate I support Bioware) they also said you wouldn't get A,B,C endings and look how that turned out.

Again, just playing devil's advocate

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Dendio1 wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

I think you are right, the crucible is a Reaper trap. The German translation "Tiegel/Schmelztiegel"
is used in sociologie(maybe the english word as well) for a happening, when many individuals get forced to mix up their culture etc to form a stronger nation.


All hope rests on the crucible. If it is a reaper trap what chance do we have

The giant fleet of the united galaxy that was never there before.

#23262
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Preparing for my medical school interview is so difficult with all of this speculation!! Good thing I already have a place at another university, otherwise I might have been screwed!

#23263
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Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!


?


The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.

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Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Preparing for my medical school interview is so difficult with all of this speculation!! Good thing I already have a place at another university, otherwise I might have been screwed!


And that ladies and gentlemen is a perfect example of how this metagame is reaching fans :)

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Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!


?


The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.

 

I'm sorry, what? I don't understand what you're saying!

EDIT: I mean grammatically.

Modifié par estebanus, 27 mars 2012 - 12:33 .


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A bit off topic, but still about the end:

I wondered the if the Geth are your allies, where are their ground forces?
I mean the Geth have such advanced weapon systems like Armatures or the Colossus. But nothing will be used?
Even your War Assets state that you have a Geth Prime platoon.
But the Geth are not the only one you don't see in Battle even if they are allies (Volus bomber fleet, Rachni, Aria's Mercs etc.)

Just wanted to point that out, cause that annoyed me, too.

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variobunz wrote...

A bit off topic, but still about the end:

I wondered the if the Geth are your allies, where are their ground forces?
I mean the Geth have such advanced weapon systems like Armatures or the Colossus. But nothing will be used?
Even your War Assets state that you have a Geth Prime platoon.
But the Geth are not the only one you don't see in Battle even if they are allies (Volus bomber fleet, Rachni, Aria's Mercs etc.)

Just wanted to point that out, cause that annoyed me, too.

I sure hope that this is exactly what BioWare will deliver and hell I would gladly pay for a full expansion to see that epic battle for earth.

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If you helped the geth or convinced you receive the asset but thats about it. Im sure everyone would like to see more people in the fight. Also would like to know where the colossus and armatures went.

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Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!


?


The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.


You are right, but does this mean anything? Its true that the big moon/planet/whatever will hide the smaller once.

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good morning from Brazil!

Any news?

#23271
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Cucobr wrote...

good morning from Brazil!

Any news?


AFAIK, no important news

#23272
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Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!


?


The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.


You are right, but does this mean anything? Its true that the big moon/planet/whatever will hide the smaller once.


Exactly so, we see what can't be and this superfluous proof of unreality of the events.

@ estebanus
Sorry I write through the translator.

#23273
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BrinkFX wrote...

If you helped the geth or convinced you receive the asset but thats about it. Im sure everyone would like to see more people in the fight. Also would like to know where the colossus and armatures went.


Imagine a few of those walkers in London. Reaper infantry doesn't have real AT equipment. The Colossuses could cut through the Reaper defences like "I can't believe it's not butter". Reapers need to go in the fight themselves.

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Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Preparing for my medical school interview is so difficult with all of this speculation!! Good thing I already have a place at another university, otherwise I might have been screwed!

Just wanted to say goodluck.

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I just realized something the star child says it created the reapers but since the star child in the citedel/crucible how can it have created the reapers as the reapers created the citidel so something is not right there.