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[estebanus]

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!

?

The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.

You are right, but does this mean anything? Its true that the big moon/planet/whatever will hide the smaller once.

Exactly so, we see what can't be and this superfluous proof of unreality of the events.

@ estebanus
Sorry I write through the translator.

 

Ah I see.

And no problem, btw! I get what you meant now! Sorry if I offended you.

[Flapperrr]

estebanus wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!

?

The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.

You are right, but does this mean anything? Its true that the big moon/planet/whatever will hide the smaller once.

Exactly so, we see what can't be and this superfluous proof of unreality of the events.

@ estebanus
Sorry I write through the translator.

 

Ah I see.

And no problem, btw! I get what you meant now! Sorry if I offended you.

Everything is all right. Language shouldn't be a problem for those who holds the line.

[Denvian]

bigstig wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Bioware stated a long time ago, that there will be no ultimate weapon in ME3, which u fire and win......ok thats month ago, but strange?

True but to counter(devil's advocate I support Bioware) they also said you wouldn't get A,B,C endings and look how that turned out.

Again, just playing devil's advocate

Maybe they intentionaly said all those things to clue you into the fact that the end of ME3 was not really the end.

Modifié par Denvian, 27 mars 2012 - 01:04 .

[estebanus]

Flapperrr wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!

?

The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.

You are right, but does this mean anything? Its true that the big moon/planet/whatever will hide the smaller once.

Exactly so, we see what can't be and this superfluous proof of unreality of the events.

@ estebanus
Sorry I write through the translator.

 

Ah I see.

And no problem, btw! I get what you meant now! Sorry if I offended you.

Everything is all right. Language shouldn't be a problem for those who holds the line.

 

I don't hold the line... I operate behind the enemies' line!
Infiltrator FTW!

EDIT: /sarcasm of course

Modifié par estebanus, 27 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Gernbuster]

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

I here just now understood - look at the moon in an ending - as the smaller moon can be more left than the bigger? Big should close it, at such arrangement!

?

The big moon shall close the small. From a scene with the Stargazer it is visible that big it is explicit closer to a planet, she is more in details visible in the light of a star.

You are right, but does this mean anything? Its true that the big moon/planet/whatever will hide the smaller once.

Exactly so, we see what can't be and this superfluous proof of unreality of the events.

@ estebanus
Sorry I write through the translator.

The whole ending looked so incredible unreal, i wasn't even looking for proofs ^^
thx for the post =)

Modifié par Gernbuster, 27 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Flapperrr]

Accidental noted. Bioware can wait, while people will not find all main strangenesses?

[BrinkFX]

The child states that (cant remember the exact wording) the created will rebel against their creator. If the child is the reapers master then wouldnt they eventually rebel?

[RoyalGambit]

BrinkFX wrote...

The child states that (cant remember the exact wording) the created will rebel against their creator. If the child is the reapers master then wouldnt they eventually rebel?

That would be the logical conclusion. I really hope indoc turns out to be true, so we can disregard all this nonsense.

[Skillz1986]

Just met Samara on the cata...uuuh..citadel. Just a quick question: why the hell would she advise me to assess the strengths and weaknesses of my forces, when I clearly have no say in the matter? Hint at more to come? Maybe a battle in which you assign who's going to be infantry etc.? Who knows...But speaking of it. When playing chess with Traynor, there's also a reference who would be a good infantry (krogan)...could all be hints for the casual player on how to fight the last battle. could be pretty far fetched of course..but the best arguments for idt have already been stated..and i'm feeling so unproductive

[HellishFiend]

BrinkFX wrote...

The child states that (cant remember the exact wording) the created will rebel against their creator. If the child is the reapers master then wouldnt they eventually rebel?

Yes, that is one of the many incongruencies and contradictions in the final dialogue that I believe are supposed to help clue us in on the possibility that the starchild is not entirely on the level. 

[Dutchess]

A very interesting theory, just brilliant if this is the way the ending was intended. I do have one question though. I apologize if it has been asked before, but 900 pages is a lot to dig through. If Shepard was dreaming during the final scenes, and it is actually just fighting indoctrination, you actually didn't defeat the Reapers, did you? If Shepard is not truly in the Citadel, and there is not physically the choice for destruction... the Reaper war would still continue but Shepard has defeated indoctrination?

[nyrocron]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Just met Samara on the cata...uuuh..citadel. Just a quick question: why the hell would she advise me to assess the strengths and weaknesses of my forces, when I clearly have no say in the matter? Hint at more to come? Maybe a battle in which you assign who's going to be infantry etc.? Who knows...But speaking of it. When playing chess with Traynor, there's also a reference who would be a good infantry (krogan)...could all be hints for the casual player on how to fight the last battle. could be pretty far fetched of course..but the best arguments for idt have already been stated..and i'm feeling so unproductive

Good finds. I think there are so many things throughout the game which were never picked up again that it is justified to expect something more to come. One other notable thing is the crystal Eve gives Shepard.
I mean, some things like that are okay and normal for such a story but so many?

[nyrocron]

renjility wrote...

A very interesting theory, just brilliant if this is the way the ending was intended. I do have one question though. I apologize if it has been asked before, but 900 pages is a lot to dig through. If Shepard was dreaming during the final scenes, and it is actually just fighting indoctrination, you actually didn't defeat the Reapers, did you? If Shepard is not truly in the Citadel, and there is not physically the choice for destruction... the Reaper war would still continue but Shepard has defeated indoctrination?

Yes! That's why we (or at least I) hope for more to come in form of DLC or even a full blown expansion. (And an expansion would be something worth announcing at PAX one month after release)

Modifié par nyrocron, 27 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[llbountyhunter]

I just finished a replay of mass effect 1 and i noticed alot of similarities.

on Ilos, when you run down to the mini relay, that scene looks remarkably similar to the me3 run, complete with a blue beam and everything. (except youre in a mako)


And then you confront saren in almost the same way as TIM. coincidence? I dunno but I think this means that the run itself was ID, and this was another re-use of shepherds memories. opinions?

edit: just a hunch here, but since bioware re-using textures maybe they used some of the textures from the me1 run because i thought they looked a bit "off" on me3.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 27 mars 2012 - 01:50 .

[Dutchess]

nyrocron wrote...

renjility wrote...

A very interesting theory, just brilliant if this is the way the ending was intended. I do have one question though. I apologize if it has been asked before, but 900 pages is a lot to dig through. If Shepard was dreaming during the final scenes, and it is actually just fighting indoctrination, you actually didn't defeat the Reapers, did you? If Shepard is not truly in the Citadel, and there is not physically the choice for destruction... the Reaper war would still continue but Shepard has defeated indoctrination?

Yes! That's why we (or at least I) hope for more to come in form of DLC or even a full blown expansion. (And an expansion would be something worth announcing at PAX one month after release)

Ah, thank you! That was the one thing I couldn't fit in. But I do fear that the galaxy is screwed if we still have to fight the Reapers.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

nyrocron wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Just met Samara on the cata...uuuh..citadel. Just a quick question: why the hell would she advise me to assess the strengths and weaknesses of my forces, when I clearly have no say in the matter? Hint at more to come? Maybe a battle in which you assign who's going to be infantry etc.? Who knows...But speaking of it. When playing chess with Traynor, there's also a reference who would be a good infantry (krogan)...could all be hints for the casual player on how to fight the last battle. could be pretty far fetched of course..but the best arguments for idt have already been stated..and i'm feeling so unproductive

Good finds. I think there are so many things throughout the game which were never picked up again that it is justified to expect something more to come. One other notable thing is the crystal Eve gives Shepard.
I mean, some things like that are okay and normal for such a story but so many?

There's a lot of stuff not really covered. We still don't know why Legion was wearing a piece of Shep's armor, for example, or what exactly the "prothean orb" is. I miss closure for a bunch of plot devices.

[Gernbuster]

PLS READ

this is the best article I read so far, a statment made an author, about the bad ending and some conclusions about IDT.
I love this article ^^

http://jmstevenson.w...-3/#comment-250

lol it didn't copy it -.-

Modifié par Gernbuster, 27 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[Spectre-61]

Gernbuster wrote...

PLS READ

this is the best article I read so far, a statment made an author, about the bad ending and some conclusions about IDT.
I love this article ^^

What article?

[Stigweird85]

nyrocron wrote...

renjility wrote...

A very interesting theory, just brilliant if this is the way the ending was intended. I do have one question though. I apologize if it has been asked before, but 900 pages is a lot to dig through. If Shepard was dreaming during the final scenes, and it is actually just fighting indoctrination, you actually didn't defeat the Reapers, did you? If Shepard is not truly in the Citadel, and there is not physically the choice for destruction... the Reaper war would still continue but Shepard has defeated indoctrination?

Yes! That's why we (or at least I) hope for more to come in form of DLC or even a full blown expansion. (And an expansion would be something worth announcing at PAX one month after release)

Yes please, DLC is great but I would love to see disk based expansions. A retake Omega(this is obviously coming) 

Thinking about it, you could have DLC to have missions on every planet that had a reaper attack to round off the remaining reaper forces

Not really indoc releated but I was slighly disappointed that the house that I had won after beating Pinnacle station wasn't even mentioned(or I didn't spot it in Mass Effect 2 or 3)

[PSUHammer]

nyrocron wrote...

There's a lot of stuff not really covered. We still don't know why Legion was wearing a piece of Shep's armor, for example, or what exactly the "prothean orb" is. I miss closure for a bunch of plot devices.

It was implied in ME2, if you talk to Legion enough, that he/it was infatuated with Shepard because of what he had accomplished and that he fought off Soverign.  It was also hinting at the fact that he could think for himself and had a "soul".  I don't think they need to expand on that more.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 27 mars 2012 - 01:57 .

[lomar1o]

dang ! no doubt it was all indoctrination ! cuz in the end of 2nd me reapers told like we gonna find another way to stop you,Shepard !

[JustAidan]

llbountyhunter wrote...

I just finished a replay of mass effect 1 and i noticed alot of similarities.

on Ilos, when you run down to the mini relay, that scene looks remarkably similar to the me3 run, complete with a blue beam and everything. (except youre in a mako)


And then you confront saren in almost the same way as TIM. coincidence? I dunno but I think this means that the run itself was ID, and this was another re-use of shepherds memories. opinions?

edit: just a hunch here, but since bioware re-using textures maybe they used some of the textures from the me1 run because i thought they looked a bit "off" on me3.

Yep, pretty much all of the ending is taken from Shepard's experiences, you'd have to look through the thread for all of them but as an example the pipe you shoot is the same as the ones you shot during the human proto-reaper fight.

[Gernbuster]

variobunz wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

PLS READ

this is the best article I read so far, a statment made an author, about the bad ending and some conclusions about IDT.
I love this article ^^

What article?

sry had a problem with copying^^

http://jmstevenson.w...-3/#comment-250

[JustAidan]

Hammer6767 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

There's a lot of stuff not really covered. We still don't know why Legion was wearing a piece of Shep's armor, for example, or what exactly the "prothean orb" is. I miss closure for a bunch of plot devices.

It was implied in ME2, if you talk to Legion enough, that he/it was infatuated with Shepard because of what he had accomplished and that he fought off Soverign.  It was also hinting at the fact that he could think for himself and had a "soul".  I don't think they need to expand on that more.

Yes, the gun Legion used in ME2 is the same as the one used by the first Geth to defend its fellows when the Geth first responded to the Quarians genocide.

Modifié par JustAidan, 27 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[BrinkFX]

It is a theory so it doesnt mean it "is" indoctrination at work but it is possible