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[Dance Craze]

Flash_Death wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

I still hold the fact that a DLC ending is improbable and impossible since after your complete the game you are back on the Normandy before the Cerberus base attack.. You would then have to play another 4 hours just to get back to the "ending" again, Does not seem likely.
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There's an endgame save that is saved with your profile.  It isn't loadable from the game menu, but it's there.

ED: ninjaed

That is assuming there is an end game save file... Why would there be one with no future game? Also the message at the end says the reapers are defeated and get ready to continue the legend with DLC.

They have the end game file for if you import a completed me3 chacter.

good point

[n00bsauce2010]

Kyzee wrote...

 One question/argument against IT that I keep seeing it the whole, "If IT is true, then why would Harbinger show Shepard what happened to his/her squadmates/the Stargazer scene?" thing. The common counterargument is that it's either (1) Harbinger further tricking Shepard into believe s/he made the right choice, or (2) it's Shepard's mind comforting him/herself that s/he made the right choice.

I honestly think the the answer is much simpler than that. Consider for a minute: what if the game ended right when Shepard made his/her choice of Control/Synthesis/Destroy? Choice made, screen goes black. This wouldn't leave players with a debatable ending; it would scream, "This game wasn't finished!" If you think the fanbase is up in arms now, it would pale in comparison to the reaction that the above scenario would receive (and justifiably so.)

Furthermore, as I've mentioned before, if IT is what BioWare was intending, then the game has to end the way it does in order for the indoctrination of Shepard/the players to have the impact it intended. Otherwise, it's just a "Psych!" moment. Imagine Shepard gets indoctrinated/breaks the indoctrination, and the game continues the to ultimate conclusion? The indoctrination scene just wouldn't have the same power that it does being the last note in the story (for now .)

extremely good point there. It makes sense.. because if they just cut the screen and faded black after picking the choices.. you'd definitely be like W T F?

[tobiasks]

I think this theory is very interesting, and I really believe this is in fact what happened.
Also I don't know if anyone else noticed it, or if it is even relevant, but I found something strange.
When you meet the spacechild, he tells you to "wake up" when it is pretty obvious you are awake in the sense that youre trying to stand up, so I have no idea why he would tell Shepard to wake up.

So this could be nothing, but I still thought it was worth mentioning, but it has probably been mentioned before.

Modifié par tobiasks, 27 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[DreamTension]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 One question/argument against IT that I keep seeing it the whole, "If IT is true, then why would Harbinger show Shepard what happened to his/her squadmates/the Stargazer scene?" thing. The common counterargument is that it's either (1) Harbinger further tricking Shepard into believe s/he made the right choice, or (2) it's Shepard's mind comforting him/herself that s/he made the right choice.

I honestly think the the answer is much simpler than that. Consider for a minute: what if the game ended right when Shepard made his/her choice of Control/Synthesis/Destroy? Choice made, screen goes black. This wouldn't leave players with a debatable ending; it would scream, "This game wasn't finished!" If you think the fanbase is up in arms now, it would pale in comparison to the reaction that the above scenario would receive (and justifiably so.)

Furthermore, as I've mentioned before, if IT is what BioWare was intending, then the game has to end the way it does in order for the indoctrination of Shepard/the players to have the impact it intended. Otherwise, it's just a "Psych!" moment. Imagine Shepard gets indoctrinated/breaks the indoctrination, and the game continues the to ultimate conclusion? The indoctrination scene just wouldn't have the same power that it does being the last note in the story (for now .)

extremely good point there. It makes sense.. because if they just cut the screen and faded black after picking the choices.. you'd definitely be like W T F?

+1

[ChuckieJ]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

 One question/argument against IT that I keep seeing it the whole, "If IT is true, then why would Harbinger show Shepard what happened to his/her squadmates/the Stargazer scene?" thing. The common counterargument is that it's either (1) Harbinger further tricking Shepard into believe s/he made the right choice, or (2) it's Shepard's mind comforting him/herself that s/he made the right choice.

I honestly think the the answer is much simpler than that. Consider for a minute: what if the game ended right when Shepard made his/her choice of Control/Synthesis/Destroy? Choice made, screen goes black. This wouldn't leave players with a debatable ending; it would scream, "This game wasn't finished!" If you think the fanbase is up in arms now, it would pale in comparison to the reaction that the above scenario would receive (and justifiably so.)

Furthermore, as I've mentioned before, if IT is what BioWare was intending, then the game has to end the way it does in order for the indoctrination of Shepard/the players to have the impact it intended. Otherwise, it's just a "Psych!" moment. Imagine Shepard gets indoctrinated/breaks the indoctrination, and the game continues the to ultimate conclusion? The indoctrination scene just wouldn't have the same power that it does being the last note in the story (for now .)

extremely good point there. It makes sense.. because if they just cut the screen and faded black after picking the choices.. you'd definitely be like W T F?

I totally agree. After being psyched out you just load up a previous save and try again until you get it right. With it ending the way it does we actually have to think through it as if we were our Shep.

[Dance Craze]

I always thought the stargazer was not part of his indoctrination and was a separate scene.

[n00bsauce2010]

Dance Craze wrote...

I always thought the stargazer was not part of his indoctrination and was a separate scene.

I think it is separate. But then again we don't really know. If you pay attention its clear that it has moons the same proportional size to those of the oasis planet the normandy crashes on.

Also theres a picture of planet zorya. From the zaaed mission in Mass effect 2. Its a jungle planet... and has 2 moons.. with the indentical proportional size as those in the normandy crash scene and the stargazer scene.

[Dance Craze]

So it is shown to give shepard the sense that not only does the crew survive through escape but they also dont die out on a forsaken planet and future generations live on?

Modifié par Dance Craze, 27 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[Dance Craze]

Then if you destroy the reapers and break indoctrination... How and why would harbinger show you this happy stargazer stuff?

Edit: Or for that matter show you that your crew has escaped and that you have made the right choice? No sense.

Modifié par Dance Craze, 27 mars 2012 - 04:06 .

[nyrocron]

Dance Craze wrote...

I always thought the stargazer was not part of his indoctrination and was a separate scene.

Yes. But the "one more story" could still be a hint from BioWare.

Modifié par nyrocron, 27 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[llbountyhunter]

Quick question: why do you think it took a certainamount of galactic readiness to unlock the systhesis ending? Does it unlock even if you haven't played me1?

Iwould think It would be the destroy ending the gets unlocked....or is it something to throw us off?

[Erethrian]

It's a long wait until PAX and their Mass Effect panel in the Manticore theater on Friday April 6 from 4:30 till 5:30.

Modifié par Erethrian, 27 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[greywardencommander]

Dance Craze wrote...

Then if you destroy the reapers and break indoctrination... How and why would harbinger show you this happy stargazer stuff?

Edit: Or for that matter show you that your crew has escaped and that you have made the right choice? No sense.

Harbinger is planting it in his mind (last 10 minutes is all in his mind) and is playing on the hope that Shepard has that everything will be ok in the end even if not for him the galaxy and his crew

[greywardencommander]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Quick question: why do you think it took a certainamount of galactic readiness to unlock the systhesis ending? Does it unlock even if you haven't played me1?

Iwould think It would be the destroy ending the gets unlocked....or is it something to throw us off?

synthesis is the 'magical compromise' (which is odd in itself) and is just trying to trick you into being indoctrinated like Saren (synthesis) rather than TIM (control)

[nyrocron]

Erethrian wrote...

It's a long wait until PAX and their Mass Effect panel in the Manticore theater on Friday April 6 from 4:30 till 5:30.

"Bring your burning questions about Mass Effect 3!" http://imgur.com/Ug2K7 

To me it really looks like they planned the reveal there if IT was intended.

Modifié par nyrocron, 27 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[Erethrian]

greywardencommander wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

Then if you destroy the reapers and break indoctrination... How and why would harbinger show you this happy stargazer stuff?

Edit: Or for that matter show you that your crew has escaped and that you have made the right choice? No sense.

Harbinger is planting it in his mind (last 10 minutes is all in his mind) and is playing on the hope that Shepard has that everything will be ok in the end even if not for him the galaxy and his crew

Actually, I think that the Stargazer scene is real.

I mean, that's not Shepard's mind. Is just an alien lifeform (two, actually) from a civilization without space travel in an unkown system, probably with an unexplored/undiscovered Mass Relay, who found one of Liara's Boxes.

Thinking about it, why has this to be an hallucination, too? After all, he knows one more story, huh? ^^ I think this one, and the "breathing" scene, are both real.

Edit: typo

Modifié par Erethrian, 27 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[K2daE]

nyrocron wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

It's a long wait until PAX and their Mass Effect panel in the Manticore theater on Friday April 6 from 4:30 till 5:30.

"Bring your burning questions about Mass Effect 3!" http://imgur.com/Ug2K7 

To me it really looks like they planned the reveal there if IT was intended.

I don't know how they are gonna deal with all this in an hour! I don't just mean IT, I mean the whole backlash and reveal of what they are planning.

[Erethrian]

K2daE wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

It's a long wait until PAX and their Mass Effect panel in the Manticore theater on Friday April 6 from 4:30 till 5:30.

"Bring your burning questions about Mass Effect 3!" http://imgur.com/Ug2K7 

To me it really looks like they planned the reveal there if IT was intended.

I don't know how they are gonna deal with all this in an hour! I don't just mean IT, I mean the whole backlash and reveal of what they are planning.

Yep, I still think about an Expansion pack... It could seem a strange outcome but, hey, I'd buy it.

Modifié par Erethrian, 27 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[nyrocron]

K2daE wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

It's a long wait until PAX and their Mass Effect panel in the Manticore theater on Friday April 6 from 4:30 till 5:30.

"Bring your burning questions about Mass Effect 3!" http://imgur.com/Ug2K7 

To me it really looks like they planned the reveal there if IT was intended.

I don't know how they are gonna deal with all this in an hour! I don't just mean IT, I mean the whole backlash and reveal of what they are planning.

If they announce a DLC or expansion, they won't spoil the content, so I don't think they have that much to say about that. But the fan outcry sure was greater than expected (regardless of what was planned) and they will have to explain some stuff so I don't know, you could be right. At least they finally must say something about the endings and their plans.

Modifié par nyrocron, 27 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[NikolaiShade]

K2daE wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

It's a long wait until PAX and their Mass Effect panel in the Manticore theater on Friday April 6 from 4:30 till 5:30.

"Bring your burning questions about Mass Effect 3!" http://imgur.com/Ug2K7 

To me it really looks like they planned the reveal there if IT was intended.

I don't know how they are gonna deal with all this in an hour! I don't just mean IT, I mean the whole backlash and reveal of what they are planning.

Call it instinct, call it hope, IF the indoctrination theory is real then I think they'll announce it before PAX.

[llbountyhunter]

greywardencommander wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Quick question: why do you think it took a certainamount of galactic readiness to unlock the systhesis ending? Does it unlock even if you haven't played me1?

Iwould think It would be the destroy ending the gets unlocked....or is it something to throw us off?

synthesis is the 'magical compromise' (which is odd in itself) and is just trying to trick you into being indoctrinated like Saren (synthesis) rather than TIM (control)

but why do you need 4000ems just to get tricked?

[greywardencommander]

Erethrian wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

Then if you destroy the reapers and break indoctrination... How and why would harbinger show you this happy stargazer stuff?

Edit: Or for that matter show you that your crew has escaped and that you have made the right choice? No sense.

Harbinger is planting it in his mind (last 10 minutes is all in his mind) and is playing on the hope that Shepard has that everything will be ok in the end even if not for him the galaxy and his crew

Actually, I think that the Stargazer scene is real.

I mean, that's not Shepard's mind. Is just an alien lifeform (two, actually) from a civilization without space travel in an unkown system, probably with an unexplored/undiscovered Mass Relay, who found one of Liara's Boxes.

Thinking about it, why has this to be an hallucination, too? After all, he knows one more story, huh? ^^ I think this one, and the "breathing" scene, are both real.

Edit: typo

i've said that for about 200 pages
 lol

[greywardencommander]

llbountyhunter wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Quick question: why do you think it took a certainamount of galactic readiness to unlock the systhesis ending? Does it unlock even if you haven't played me1?

Iwould think It would be the destroy ending the gets unlocked....or is it something to throw us off?

synthesis is the 'magical compromise' (which is odd in itself) and is just trying to trick you into being indoctrinated like Saren (synthesis) rather than TIM (control)

but why do you need 4000ems just to get tricked?

because if you fail due to low ems you haven't done enough in game (Shepard) so there's no threat. It's Harbinger's last effort to indoctrinate you by getting you to neither destroy (which breaks the hold) or control (fully indoctrinated) so you become indoctrinated that way instead (like Saren)

[Erethrian]

greywardencommander wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

Then if you destroy the reapers and break indoctrination... How and why would harbinger show you this happy stargazer stuff?

Edit: Or for that matter show you that your crew has escaped and that you have made the right choice? No sense.

Harbinger is planting it in his mind (last 10 minutes is all in his mind) and is playing on the hope that Shepard has that everything will be ok in the end even if not for him the galaxy and his crew

Actually, I think that the Stargazer scene is real.

I mean, that's not Shepard's mind. Is just an alien lifeform (two, actually) from a civilization without space travel in an unkown system, probably with an unexplored/undiscovered Mass Relay, who found one of Liara's Boxes.

Thinking about it, why has this to be an hallucination, too? After all, he knows one more story, huh? ^^ I think this one, and the "breathing" scene, are both real.

Edit: typo

i've said that for about 200 pages
 lol

 Nice then, haha. ^^

[greywardencommander]

Dance Craze wrote...

Then if you destroy the reapers and break indoctrination... How and why would harbinger show you this happy stargazer stuff?

Edit: Or for that matter show you that your crew has escaped and that you have made the right choice? No sense.

it's a play on his mind by Harbinger (or is actually Shepard's imagination) the 'hope' that no matter what happens the galaxy is saved and his friends survive