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[maxloef]

hey quick question isnt it at 900 pages time again to sum up all proof/evidence of indic theory, say like the trees the whisps...andersons lines the humming etc?

[nyrocron]

N7xELITE wrote...

Only based on Muzyka's blog post, really nothing new. Plus he did NOT say they were redoing the endings, only that they will provide us with explanations and more closure.

[waldstr18]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

hopefully someone captures the moment when the devs tell you, they dont have an indoctrination fairy in their team, who puts all the little signs in the game you interpreted as proof.

Well we know it's not going to happen. But thank god people like you are here.. that way we can tally all the pointless remarks and rub it in your face when they reveal it was their plan all along.

well, after it has been made public that they planned this, i will gladly shoot myself, just like indoctrinated people are supposed to. but i hope if they tell you there was no indoctrination plan in the game, you have a long and meaningful life making up lots more of crazy theories.

oh, and i really mean that. im so amazed how interested i am in the whole retake mass effect movement. i was even intrigued by the indoctrination theory, but like i said, for me that has been proven wrong - its still funny, though.

[IndustrializedTaco]

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I think the ID theory makes sense in fact it's in my banner . The thing that gets me is why end a trilogy on that? I mean lots of speculation can be a good thing, but not in the ending of a major trilogy. That is the question that plagues me unfortunately.

Actually I can't think of an other way to deal with indoctrination.
If it would be done in one of the earlier games and we could be sure that the story of Shepard continues there would be speculation but way less than there is now. If it would be done mid-game, players would have to be told explicitly what is happening and would just reload if they did something wrong.

In my opinion IF they want Shepard to deal with indoctrination, the way they did is the best - if not only - way to do it in an appropriate way.

You gotta remember you are ending a franchise on that. Yeah the ID theory makes sense only in the end of the game. I agree with that completly it also does explain the gaping plot holes. Why is that the END though? I mean that is what gets me. I mean the game ends right after the space magic jungle scene. Why not expand on that? Why not make it make more sense.

They are not ending the franchise, they explicitly said that there will be more MassEffect games.

And DLC was also planned, it could very well be ending-DLC.

I'm sorry the trilogy.  
Maybe an ending DLC was planned all along. lol I think I'm looking a little too much into this.

[n00bsauce2010]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Yeah I was wondering that as well. I wish they would of put that one in there. I think the reapers attack ever 50k years so that, that specfic cycle doesn't get powerful enough to overtake the reapers. The reapers complete cycles out of fear for their own lives.

Good thought. Makes sense. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I think the ID theory makes sense in fact it's in my banner . The thing that gets me is why end a trilogy on that? I mean lots of speculation can be a good thing, but not in the ending of a major trilogy. That is the question that plagues me unfortunately.

Actually I can't think of an other way to deal with indoctrination.
If it would be done in one of the earlier games and we could be sure that the story of Shepard continues there would be speculation but way less than there is now. If it would be done mid-game, players would have to be told explicitly what is happening and would just reload if they did something wrong.

In my opinion IF they want Shepard to deal with indoctrination, the way they did is the best - if not only - way to do it in an appropriate way.

You gotta remember you are ending a franchise on that. Yeah the ID theory makes sense only in the end of the game. I agree with that completly it also does explain the gaping plot holes. Why is that the END though? I mean that is what gets me. I mean the game ends right after the space magic jungle scene. Why not expand on that? Why not make it make more sense.

Because for the Indoctrination theory to have the punch it has, for it to break the fourth wall and grab the player, for any of the hints placed throughout the game to have any purpose we have to not get this handed to us on a silver plate.

If Shepard simply woke up and we learned immediately it had been an Indoctrination attempot then what was the point?

By leaving it like this, like it is the ending, by not giving any explanation Bioware spawned all of what we on the forums and in the other media. If the IT is true Bioware then by making this ending Bioware extended the indoctrination attempt beyond the game and gave us a very real example of how it works. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

hopefully someone captures the moment when the devs tell you, they dont have an indoctrination fairy in their team, who puts all the little signs in the game you interpreted as proof.

Well we know it's not going to happen. But thank god people like you are here.. that way we can tally all the pointless remarks and rub it in your face when they reveal it was their plan all along.

well, after it has been made public that they planned this, i will gladly shoot myself, just like indoctrinated people are supposed to. but i hope if they tell you there was no indoctrination plan in the game, you have a long and meaningful life making up lots more of crazy theories.

oh, and i really mean that. im so amazed how interested i am in the whole retake mass effect movement. i was even intrigued by the indoctrination theory, but like i said, for me that has been proven wrong - its still funny, though.

Funny how so many say it has been proven wrong, yet can never link that proof.

[N7xELITE]

Well this made me laugh =

[IndustrializedTaco]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I think the ID theory makes sense in fact it's in my banner . The thing that gets me is why end a trilogy on that? I mean lots of speculation can be a good thing, but not in the ending of a major trilogy. That is the question that plagues me unfortunately.

Actually I can't think of an other way to deal with indoctrination.
If it would be done in one of the earlier games and we could be sure that the story of Shepard continues there would be speculation but way less than there is now. If it would be done mid-game, players would have to be told explicitly what is happening and would just reload if they did something wrong.

In my opinion IF they want Shepard to deal with indoctrination, the way they did is the best - if not only - way to do it in an appropriate way.

You gotta remember you are ending a franchise on that. Yeah the ID theory makes sense only in the end of the game. I agree with that completly it also does explain the gaping plot holes. Why is that the END though? I mean that is what gets me. I mean the game ends right after the space magic jungle scene. Why not expand on that? Why not make it make more sense.

Because for the Indoctrination theory to have the punch it has, for it to break the fourth wall and grab the player, for any of the hints placed throughout the game to have any purpose we have to not get this handed to us on a silver plate.

If Shepard simply woke up and we learned immediately it had been an Indoctrination attempot then what was the point?

By leaving it like this, like it is the ending, by not giving any explanation Bioware spawned all of what we on the forums and in the other media. If the IT is true Bioware then by making this ending Bioware extended the indoctrination attempt beyond the game and gave us a very real example of how it works. 

That is logical. Still if that is the case. It's a pretty risky move. Yes we agree that is logical.

[Kill-Joy]

You guys... you make me believe. I drew similar conclusions during the ending, but didn't want to hope only to have it broken. But you make me believe....

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I think the ID theory makes sense in fact it's in my banner . The thing that gets me is why end a trilogy on that? I mean lots of speculation can be a good thing, but not in the ending of a major trilogy. That is the question that plagues me unfortunately.

Actually I can't think of an other way to deal with indoctrination.
If it would be done in one of the earlier games and we could be sure that the story of Shepard continues there would be speculation but way less than there is now. If it would be done mid-game, players would have to be told explicitly what is happening and would just reload if they did something wrong.

In my opinion IF they want Shepard to deal with indoctrination, the way they did is the best - if not only - way to do it in an appropriate way.

You gotta remember you are ending a franchise on that. Yeah the ID theory makes sense only in the end of the game. I agree with that completly it also does explain the gaping plot holes. Why is that the END though? I mean that is what gets me. I mean the game ends right after the space magic jungle scene. Why not expand on that? Why not make it make more sense.

Because for the Indoctrination theory to have the punch it has, for it to break the fourth wall and grab the player, for any of the hints placed throughout the game to have any purpose we have to not get this handed to us on a silver plate.

If Shepard simply woke up and we learned immediately it had been an Indoctrination attempot then what was the point?

By leaving it like this, like it is the ending, by not giving any explanation Bioware spawned all of what we on the forums and in the other media. If the IT is true Bioware then by making this ending Bioware extended the indoctrination attempt beyond the game and gave us a very real example of how it works. 

That is logical. Still if that is the case. It's a pretty risky move. Yes we agree that is logical.

It is risky, but the potential payoff is also huge.

If the IT is true and Bioware manages to pull of a free DLC that wraps it all up and delivers a satisfying ending then all of this will be remembered for years to come as one of the most brilliant endings in gaming history.

Noone will ever again be able to doubt Bioware´s ability to write a story.

[waldstr18]

i said for me its proven wrong, but now im writing it for the third time.

the fact that there is the possibilty for shepard to only get one choice, which is also the right one in your eyes, makes it impossible for me to believe your theory. and thats the whole problem with the i.t.. for it to be right, everything has to fit together, to proof it wrong, one thing is enough.

but i have noticed most of you are masters of straw grasping, so you will answer that with "there was not enough time for the indoctrination" or "the reapers werent interested any more in indoctrination". oh, and to think even outside of the game box: you are saying they gave us an unfinished game.

these points make it impossible for me to follow your cult. yet, i respect the "it could be an easy way out" guys, cause thats actually true. all the holes would be patched by clothing your eyes, shaking your head and screaming "ITS NOT TRUE!". but to insist on bioware planned it that way? i dont think so.

closing your eyes, not clothing your eyes. sorry, obviously im no native speaker.

Modifié par waldstr18, 27 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[IndustrializedTaco]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I think the ID theory makes sense in fact it's in my banner . The thing that gets me is why end a trilogy on that? I mean lots of speculation can be a good thing, but not in the ending of a major trilogy. That is the question that plagues me unfortunately.

Actually I can't think of an other way to deal with indoctrination.
If it would be done in one of the earlier games and we could be sure that the story of Shepard continues there would be speculation but way less than there is now. If it would be done mid-game, players would have to be told explicitly what is happening and would just reload if they did something wrong.

In my opinion IF they want Shepard to deal with indoctrination, the way they did is the best - if not only - way to do it in an appropriate way.

You gotta remember you are ending a franchise on that. Yeah the ID theory makes sense only in the end of the game. I agree with that completly it also does explain the gaping plot holes. Why is that the END though? I mean that is what gets me. I mean the game ends right after the space magic jungle scene. Why not expand on that? Why not make it make more sense.

Because for the Indoctrination theory to have the punch it has, for it to break the fourth wall and grab the player, for any of the hints placed throughout the game to have any purpose we have to not get this handed to us on a silver plate.

If Shepard simply woke up and we learned immediately it had been an Indoctrination attempot then what was the point?

By leaving it like this, like it is the ending, by not giving any explanation Bioware spawned all of what we on the forums and in the other media. If the IT is true Bioware then by making this ending Bioware extended the indoctrination attempt beyond the game and gave us a very real example of how it works. 

That is logical. Still if that is the case. It's a pretty risky move. Yes we agree that is logical.

It is risky, but the potential payoff is also huge.

If the IT is true and Bioware manages to pull of a free DLC that wraps it all up and delivers a satisfying ending then all of this will be remembered for years to come as one of the most brilliant endings in gaming history.

Noone will ever again be able to doubt Bioware´s ability to write a story.

No disagreements there. I hope they do this, if they do I will buy every product they release forever.

[Devos]

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

i said for me its proven wrong, but now im writing it for the third time.

the fact that there is the possibilty for shepard to only get one choice, which is also the right one in your eyes, makes it impossible for me to believe your theory. and thats the whole problem with the i.t.. for it to be right, everything has to fit together, to proof it wrong, one thing is enough.

but i have noticed most of you are masters of straw grasping, so you will answer that with "there was not enough time for the indoctrination" or "the reapers werent interested any more in indoctrination". oh, and to think even outside of the game box: you are saying they gave us an unfinished game.

these points make it impossible for me to follow your cult. yet, i respect the "it could be an easy way out" guys, cause thats actually true. all the holes would be patched by clothing your eyes, shaking your head and screaming "ITS NOT TRUE!". but to insist on bioware planned it that way? i dont think so.

I believe this paticular point was covered not to far back.

Essentailly the possible explanation is that it is not so much an Indoctrination attempt as it is Harbinger stalling Shepard by keeping him locked in the dreamworld even as his forces are torn apart by the Reaper fleet.

By arriving with such a minor force as low EMS implies the Reapers realize that the danger to them is minimal and as such Indoctrinating Shepard is not a priority. Thus less choices and little attempts at convincing him since if he resists it or not does not change anything, him and his forces are allready doomed.

[Rifneno]

waldstr18 wrote...

i said for me its proven wrong, but now im writing it for the third time.

the fact that there is the possibilty for shepard to only get one choice, which is also the right one in your eyes, makes it impossible for me to believe your theory. and thats the whole problem with the i.t.. for it to be right, everything has to fit together, to proof it wrong, one thing is enough.

but i have noticed most of you are masters of straw grasping, so you will answer that with "there was not enough time for the indoctrination" or "the reapers werent interested any more in indoctrination". oh, and to think even outside of the game box: you are saying they gave us an unfinished game.

these points make it impossible for me to follow your cult. yet, i respect the "it could be an easy way out" guys, cause thats actually true. all the holes would be patched by clothing your eyes, shaking your head and screaming "ITS NOT TRUE!". but to insist on bioware planned it that way? i dont think so.

closing your eyes, not clothing your eyes. sorry, obviously im no native speaker.

It's going to be hilarious when you pull a 180 and start insisting that they only went with IT because of fan pressure and it was never really planned.

[n00bsauce2010]

waldstr18 wrote...

i said for me its proven wrong, but now im writing it for the third time.

the fact that there is the possibilty for shepard to only get one choice, which is also the right one in your eyes, makes it impossible for me to believe your theory. and thats the whole problem with the i.t.. for it to be right, everything has to fit together, to proof it wrong, one thing is enough.

but i have noticed most of you are masters of straw grasping, so you will answer that with "there was not enough time for the indoctrination" or "the reapers werent interested any more in indoctrination". oh, and to think even outside of the game box: you are saying they gave us an unfinished game.

these points make it impossible for me to follow your cult. yet, i respect the "it could be an easy way out" guys, cause thats actually true. all the holes would be patched by clothing your eyes, shaking your head and screaming "ITS NOT TRUE!". but to insist on bioware planned it that way? i dont think so.

closing your eyes, not clothing your eyes. sorry, obviously im no native speaker.

You're like a week late. We've already come to a conclusion that the IT does not support only support the destroy ending. Bioware can make it work no matter what you choose.

Like someone previously stated.. indoctrination is pointless if they simply paint an obvious picture for you to see. It makes me think you're upset that you didn't figure this one out for yourself. We don't neglect the fact the ending is still in the game. So if you have no more valid points.. why are you here?

[IndustrializedTaco]

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

I don't think I'm a desperate person. In fact if the plot holes hadn't of existed I would have agreed with the endings. They kind of doom civilization BUT the reapers are gone. Granted I would of enjoyed a happier ending, I can take a tragic one. Anywho IT sounds logical. I'm not desperate, or stupid, and I think the IT sounds like it could make sense.

[DreamTension]

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

So if this is correct, what then?

Where are the 'flaws' you are talking about? 

[baruaru]

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm (milky way population) on invading their area.

Modifié par baruaru, 27 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

Oh really? Your "Proof" that this theory is not possible is to just outright declare the mountain of hints stringed gathered in this thread "lies"? Wow that puts all of this in a new light, I cant believe I dident see it before!

This explains why the final part of the game is made up, litterally in many cases, by textures and locations reused from old games, it explains how Synthesis is physically possible, it explains all the nods and hints towards the dream seqeunces!

Wow, thank you so much mister:P

[n00bsauce2010]

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

Ah. You'll still be in denial when Bioware comfirms it and gives proof they planned it. And I'll be glad to rub it in your face for you as you QQ because you couldn't figure it out on your own. But for now.. we sit and wait.. and contemplate whyt he ending might be the way it is.. ratcher than b*tch about it.. like you.

[Gorwyn87]

Don't know if this was already mentioned here (<900 pages guys, seriously ), but did anybody read the "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" thing? It seems to me the ending was indeed not planned from the beginning, making all the proof for the theory nothing but an astonishing number of coincidences. Or early concepts from people who didn't write the ending that is. So although I really would love to believe in the IT and I find many arguments for it myself, I don't think it was planned anymore. Would be great to get it implemented regardless.

[nyrocron]

waldstr18 wrote...

(...)
the fact that there is the possibilty for shepard to only get one choice, which is also the right one in your eyes, (...)

That is not even true. If you keep the collector base and have low EMS your only choice is control.

[Skillz1986]

I posted this already, but it kind of got swept under the rug. It adresses the "why synthesis wit hugh ems" or "why destroy with low ems" questions.

The way i see it is, with a low ems, the reapers just don't see the need to indoc you...they know you have no chance of winning this war even if you are fully aware of your actions. the basically do not give a flying ****.

Increasing ems, equals increasing pants sh***ing for the reapers. they know..if they leave you fully conscious..you will lead you forces to victory...so they have to come up with more appealing "solutions" to break your will to fight. hope i managed to make clear what i'm talking about. not a native speaker..so here's hoping.