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[N7xELITE]

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

This theory is not BS its a good idea and is creative. And has proof.

[nyrocron]

Gorwyn87 wrote...

Don't know if this was already mentioned here (<900 pages guys, seriously ), but did anybody read the "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" thing? It seems to me the ending was indeed not planned from the beginning, making all the proof for the theory nothing but an astonishing number of coincidences. Or early concepts from people who didn't write the ending that is. So although I really would love to believe in the IT and I find many arguments for it myself, I don't think it was planned anymore. Would be great to get it implemented regardless.

The creator of the app said that he had not the impression that the ending was rushed but that it was planned for months.

Modifié par nyrocron, 27 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[baruaru]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Yeah I was wondering that as well. I wish they would of put that one in there. I think the reapers attack ever 50k years so that, that specfic cycle doesn't get powerful enough to overtake the reapers. The reapers complete cycles out of fear for their own lives.

Yup. And the most point, they think that can trick us on the old history of "synthetic blablabla", while they are cleary fearing something else.

And the most funny thing, none of the characters ask ehm "Who are your creator?" .

[MasterDracoStoc]

Right before you make it to the control console, in that chasm, doesn't it look like the Shadow Broker Base? Look at the moving plates when you enter the room. *Edit person didn't look at the side area*. Either further evidence of Indoc. or further evidence Bioware got lazy and re-used assets.

Modifié par MasterDracoStoc, 27 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

baruaru wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm on invading their area.

Idd like to point out that the Prothean VI never states any proof that the Reapers are not the Mastermind other than investigation of the previus cycles...well the current cycle had a hard enough time learning anything about the Protheans and anything older than that was practically non existent, so what made the Protheans able to piece together this picture.

Futhermore it was not exactly a secret that the galaxy moved in cycles, we learned this in ME1 when they talk about how the Mass relays planted by the Reaper guided organic life down through very similar evolutionary paths.

Now i cant give any explanation as to why the Prothean Vi then brings something like this up, but I just consider it wrong if there is a Mastermind behind teh reapers since they have pretty much constantly dalcred themselves the pinnacle of Evolution...

That entire part with the Prothean VI is the only thing that really still bugs me.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 27 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Gorwyn87 wrote...

Don't know if this was already mentioned here (<900 pages guys, seriously ), but did anybody read the "The Final Hours of Mass Effect" thing? It seems to me the ending was indeed not planned from the beginning, making all the proof for the theory nothing but an astonishing number of coincidences. Or early concepts from people who didn't write the ending that is. So although I really would love to believe in the IT and I find many arguments for it myself, I don't think it was planned anymore. Would be great to get it implemented regardless.

Lol. we've covered final hours app many times. But I understand 900 pages is a lot. It doesn't disprove anything really. The fact that they considered indoctrinating shepard is evidence enough for me to make it likely. It simply means they couldn't create the mechanic.. it would've been a cutscene where you use dialog choices; but instead they moved the idea onto the player..so you had freedom/ free will to figure it out for yourself and make your own decision about it.

[IronSabbath88]

I challenge the naysayers to come up with a better explanation to the ending.

And no, "BioWare are teh poop writers, lulz" does not count.

[greywardencommander]

I will say again psychologically (like I say in my signature thread) if it was intended ME3 won't be remembered in 1 years time (for the most part) for the 'no endings' because everyone will rave about the real life indoctrination and the fact it was a brilliant plot twist (just like people who go on about WoW's brilliance the minute any mmo since has come out with the slightest flaw act as though the launch was perfect). It will go down in history as the best RPG plot twist (and arguably entertainment)

It's basic psychology there are always 'trolls', the people who argue (or seem to) for the sake of arguing so people ignore that. However in terms of story, in terms of impact IF IT'S FREE and intended in the long run Bioware (and EA) lose no credibility for 'there being no ending' because just like with any film the one we have at the minute is 'an ending'

they say 'current endings' and 'clarification' constantly so IF IDT is real it won't be remembered in 5 years time (not negatively) for anything but real life demonstration of indoctrination because it's breaking the fourth wall and indoctrinating Shepard (i.e. you) because Shepard is the way you see ME thus what Shepard doesn't notice (in terms of deliberate camera focus etc) in game YOU don't necessarily notice. Meaning all the circumstantial evidence regarding in IDT is just that, because that's the point.
Going 'you were indoctrinated, boom you're not now' has NO impact whatsoever

If IDT wasn't intended I will happily admit I gave too much credit and read too much into it but to say 'proof' that IDT is false until the announcement regarding the endings one way or another based on your own 'circumstantial evidence' purely because 'it's not been done before it's impossible' or 'nah bad writing' is every bit of bad as what you claim we're doing, we're trying to make sense of the endings before 'clarification' DLC (especially free and to a quality we know it was deliberately done) will dispel all notion that Bioware were 'sellouts' in terms of story because they'll have demonstrated exactly why they were (and to an extent still are) innovators in RPG. What better RP than to have the game include you?

Short term loss (some people trading in games and getting angry) but huge long term gain re. Mass Effect and any Bioware product...even if IDT is false and they do something based on it anyway for free (or very cheap like 100MSP) they become the company that listens (re. RPG element) and credibility is still upheld.

The payoff either way using IDT could be huge

Edit: At the bottom I also talk about the potential endings based on 'fixed endings' using IDT including keeping the mystery of the Reapers alive (are they the original organics or synthetics from the first cycle etc)
Post Edit: you will notice I used a lot of 'coulds', 'if', 'anyway' 'wasn't' 'intended' I can use double speak too you know, basic PR read into what I say to whether I support the current endings (purely based on that obviously I know that it's obvious I hate the endings and support IDT to fix them)

Modifié par greywardencommander, 27 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[baruaru]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm on invading their area.

Idd like to point out that the Prothean VI never states any proof that the Reapers are not the Mastermind other than investigation of the previus cycles...well the current had a hard enough time learning anything about the Protheans and anything older than that was practically non existent, so what made the Protheans able to piece together this picture.

Futhermore it was not exactly a secret that the galaxy moved in cycles, we learned this in ME1 when they talk about how the Mass relays planted by the Reaper guided organic life down through very similar evolutionary paths.

Now i cant give any explanation as to why the Prothean Vi then brings something like this up, but I just consider it wrong if there is a Mastermind behind teh reapers since they have pretty much constantly dalcred themselves the pinnacle of Evolution...

They must received the idea from someone else, A.K.A as implement, considering that they are nearly as mech itself. And usually synthetic call thenselves perfects, the top of evolutions.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

baruaru wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm on invading their area.

Idd like to point out that the Prothean VI never states any proof that the Reapers are not the Mastermind other than investigation of the previus cycles...well the current had a hard enough time learning anything about the Protheans and anything older than that was practically non existent, so what made the Protheans able to piece together this picture.

Futhermore it was not exactly a secret that the galaxy moved in cycles, we learned this in ME1 when they talk about how the Mass relays planted by the Reaper guided organic life down through very similar evolutionary paths.

Now i cant give any explanation as to why the Prothean Vi then brings something like this up, but I just consider it wrong if there is a Mastermind behind teh reapers since they have pretty much constantly dalcred themselves the pinnacle of Evolution...

They must received the idea from someone else, A.K.A as implement, considering that they are nearly as mech itself. And usually synthetic call thenselves perfects, the top of evolutions.

But if someone masterminded them the reapers would know they are not the pinnacle, right? And the reapers are not utterly synthetic as is shown in ME2 with the Reaper Larva.

[n00bsauce2010]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I challenge the naysayers to come up with a better explanation to the ending.

And no, "BioWare are teh poop writers, lulz" does not count.

heres the explanation  for it. They're mentally retarded, stubborn, and in a stage of denial that can't be changed.
Bioware could give us proof it was their plan and they'll simply say 'Ending still isn't in the game, coincidence, crappy writers, I'm a loser who probably didn't play the other two games, And I also hate plot twists because i'm not smart enough to see the hints for them coming"

IT isn't a theory. It is simply real.

[waldstr18]

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

shiny, now i dont have to type all that. thanks a bunch.

so its no priority to indoctrinate the main character of the game? 

anyways, no, im not jealous of your obviously superior detection skills. i didnt even see the child running in the then exploding building for example. and ive been there 3 times already. but i have to support the comment of my new found friend. you all sound very desperate to me, as well.

it would be pointless to argue afterwards they did it out of fan pressure. i already stated that i will gladly shoot myself. but you are right, even if they say they planned it, i wouldnt actually believe it. but if you are predicting me starting a threat about it, your wrong. actually i couldnt make a threat or anything, cause i would have already shot myself by then.

and for what i am doing here. even though your theory is obviously wrong in my opinion, you seem to know a lot about the game. more than me anyway. so if i have questions i ask them here. usally i get more than one answer in a matter of minutes. also im waiting for the "we have been wrong! mass suicide!!!!" post.

[EricHVela]

byne wrote...

Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

Everyone feels this. This feeling has popped up a couple of times in the past after EA acquired a new property, just before the acquired property vanishes.

It's the feeling of meddling in someone else's work.

[baruaru]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm on invading their area.

Idd like to point out that the Prothean VI never states any proof that the Reapers are not the Mastermind other than investigation of the previus cycles...well the current had a hard enough time learning anything about the Protheans and anything older than that was practically non existent, so what made the Protheans able to piece together this picture.

Futhermore it was not exactly a secret that the galaxy moved in cycles, we learned this in ME1 when they talk about how the Mass relays planted by the Reaper guided organic life down through very similar evolutionary paths.

Now i cant give any explanation as to why the Prothean Vi then brings something like this up, but I just consider it wrong if there is a Mastermind behind teh reapers since they have pretty much constantly dalcred themselves the pinnacle of Evolution...

They must received the idea from someone else, A.K.A as implement, considering that they are nearly as mech itself. And usually synthetic call thenselves perfects, the top of evolutions.

But if someone masterminded them the reapers would know they are not the pinnacle, right? And the reapers are not utterly synthetic as is shown in ME2 with the Reaper Larva.

Then, theres the most biggest enemies of almost synthetics: Reprogramming... Or like the Legion says, "Rewrite" their belief itself, making ehm to think that they are the god-of-all-god, not letting ehm think "Who the hell are us?".

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

nyrocron wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I think the ID theory makes sense in fact it's in my banner . The thing that gets me is why end a trilogy on that? I mean lots of speculation can be a good thing, but not in the ending of a major trilogy. That is the question that plagues me unfortunately.

Actually I can't think of an other way to deal with indoctrination.
If it would be done in one of the earlier games and we could be sure that the story of Shepard continues there would be speculation but way less than there is now. If it would be done mid-game, players would have to be told explicitly what is happening and would just reload if they did something wrong.

In my opinion IF they want Shepard to deal with indoctrination, the way they did is the best - if not only - way to do it in an appropriate way.

You gotta remember you are ending a franchise on that. Yeah the ID theory makes sense only in the end of the game. I agree with that completly it also does explain the gaping plot holes. Why is that the END though? I mean that is what gets me. I mean the game ends right after the space magic jungle scene. Why not expand on that? Why not make it make more sense.

Because for the Indoctrination theory to have the punch it has, for it to break the fourth wall and grab the player, for any of the hints placed throughout the game to have any purpose we have to not get this handed to us on a silver plate.

If Shepard simply woke up and we learned immediately it had been an Indoctrination attempot then what was the point?

By leaving it like this, like it is the ending, by not giving any explanation Bioware spawned all of what we on the forums and in the other media. If the IT is true Bioware then by making this ending Bioware extended the indoctrination attempt beyond the game and gave us a very real example of how it works. 

That is logical. Still if that is the case. It's a pretty risky move. Yes we agree that is logical.

It is risky, but the potential payoff is also huge.

If the IT is true and Bioware manages to pull of a free DLC that wraps it all up and delivers a satisfying ending then all of this will be remembered for years to come as one of the most brilliant endings in gaming history.

Noone will ever again be able to doubt Bioware´s ability to write a story.

Heavy risk, but the priiiiize. 

Edit: I should also point out that every time we have doubted Bioware they have managed to blow our minds.

Multiplayer: Everyone thought it would be the worst thing to ever happen to Mass Effect, and then when the game came out, it was excellent, not reducing the quality of the story at all and delivering a great experience to boot.
 
RPG elements: They may have streamlined the dialogue, but the decisions Shepard makes are incredible, and the weapon and armor customization are superb.

Anything else?

Modifié par Dwailing, 27 mars 2012 - 06:31 .

[MasterDracoStoc]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm on invading their area.

Idd like to point out that the Prothean VI never states any proof that the Reapers are not the Mastermind other than investigation of the previus cycles...well the current had a hard enough time learning anything about the Protheans and anything older than that was practically non existent, so what made the Protheans able to piece together this picture.

Futhermore it was not exactly a secret that the galaxy moved in cycles, we learned this in ME1 when they talk about how the Mass relays planted by the Reaper guided organic life down through very similar evolutionary paths.

Now i cant give any explanation as to why the Prothean Vi then brings something like this up, but I just consider it wrong if there is a Mastermind behind teh reapers since they have pretty much constantly dalcred themselves the pinnacle of Evolution...

They must received the idea from someone else, A.K.A as implement, considering that they are nearly as mech itself. And usually synthetic call thenselves perfects, the top of evolutions.

But if someone masterminded them the reapers would know they are not the pinnacle, right? And the reapers are not utterly synthetic as is shown in ME2 with the Reaper Larva.

Nature does not need a mastermind to continue. The reapers are unnatural, but the cycle of evolution isn't.

[n00bsauce2010]

waldstr18 wrote...

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

shiny, now i dont have to type all that. thanks a bunch.

so its no priority to indoctrinate the main character of the game? 

anyways, no, im not jealous of your obviously superior detection skills. i didnt even see the child running in the then exploding building for example. and ive been there 3 times already. but i have to support the comment of my new found friend. you all sound very desperate to me, as well.

it would be pointless to argue afterwards they did it out of fan pressure. i already stated that i will gladly shoot myself. but you are right, even if they say they planned it, i wouldnt actually believe it. but if you are predicting me starting a threat about it, your wrong. actually i couldnt make a threat or anything, cause i would have already shot myself by then.

and for what i am doing here. even though your theory is obviously wrong in my opinion, you seem to know a lot about the game. more than me anyway. so if i have questions i ask them here. usally i get more than one answer in a matter of minutes. also im waiting for the "we have been wrong! mass suicide!!!!" post.

I can't seem to find the point of your post. You just said "Bioware can give me proof to the theory, and proof that it was their plan all along and I still won't believe it because I'm stubborn and in denial"

You did me a huge favor. Didn't have to type out why you would disagree with IT no matter what. You did it for me.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

waldstr18 wrote...

Devos wrote...

Sorry but this is utter BS. If it wasn't for desperation for a do-over on the current ending no one would be defending the obvious flaws in this *ugh* theory. This is cheaper than the current ending in undermining the player and because it functions purely by selectively declaring some information given to the player as lies.

The thousand pages is the testament to the power of a well edited video shown to desperate people.

shiny, now i dont have to type all that. thanks a bunch.

so its no priority to indoctrinate the main character of the game? 

anyways, no, im not jealous of your obviously superior detection skills. i didnt even see the child running in the then exploding building for example. and ive been there 3 times already. but i have to support the comment of my new found friend. you all sound very desperate to me, as well.

it would be pointless to argue afterwards they did it out of fan pressure. i already stated that i will gladly shoot myself. but you are right, even if they say they planned it, i wouldnt actually believe it. but if you are predicting me starting a threat about it, your wrong. actually i couldnt make a threat or anything, cause i would have already shot myself by then.

and for what i am doing here. even though your theory is obviously wrong in my opinion, you seem to know a lot about the game. more than me anyway. so if i have questions i ask them here. usally i get more than one answer in a matter of minutes. also im waiting for the "we have been wrong! mass suicide!!!!" post.

Well dont expect the "Mass Suicide" post. For all our compiled hints most here realize we ahve no definitive proof and as such the Indoctrination Theory reamins exactly that, a Theory until proven otherwise.

Most here are perfectly clear with that and a different ending wont ed our world, hell for all we know it might be better, but until proven otherwise this is where we compile our ideas and discuss it

[n00bsauce2010]

So do I have reason to come into the "we hate the ending thread" and **** on everyone for having their own opinions/ideas? Because people come in here and do it. I guess it's a clear yes?

[BloodClaw95]

Thinking about it, the repetition of the child-related nightmares might be the Reapers basically saying "submit, submit, submit"

If I recall correctly, the asari on Virmire eventually goes crazy (indoctrinated) in ME3, as you find out via news-feed email. As far as I can tell, she stayed away from Reaper tech since Virmire, so it's possible Shepard could have been constantly under the Reaper's pressure even when he wasn't around Reaper tech.

[baruaru]

MasterDracoStoc wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

baruaru wrote...

Am i the only one who wants to know the creator of the Reapers? =p

Nope, I want to know it too... Who the hell created the reapers? Maybe they are just a test, ... Maybe they are the rebel synthetics. Maybe they are some kind of firewall, to make sure that any civilization arrives too far... I mean... The reapers are machines, war-machines. Someone must created them, and with a clear purpose... What happens if that creators want to see why is cycle has not completed if Shepard defeat the reapers? Maybe that happens in the rest of galaxies every 50k years, maybe there are several reapers fleets, not just one... Who the hell knows? 

Exactly. And somewhere i saw that they are only "executing" a circle wich someone else moved it, meaning theres a master-mind behind then all. And on the mass effect, its showns like "only milky way is target", wich its kinda strange (Leaving a trail of why they attack only milky way races).

If i must say a theory... They might be a race created by a ultra-advanced organic race from other galaxy, to prevent ehm on invading their area.

Idd like to point out that the Prothean VI never states any proof that the Reapers are not the Mastermind other than investigation of the previus cycles...well the current had a hard enough time learning anything about the Protheans and anything older than that was practically non existent, so what made the Protheans able to piece together this picture.

Futhermore it was not exactly a secret that the galaxy moved in cycles, we learned this in ME1 when they talk about how the Mass relays planted by the Reaper guided organic life down through very similar evolutionary paths.

Now i cant give any explanation as to why the Prothean Vi then brings something like this up, but I just consider it wrong if there is a Mastermind behind teh reapers since they have pretty much constantly dalcred themselves the pinnacle of Evolution...

They must received the idea from someone else, A.K.A as implement, considering that they are nearly as mech itself. And usually synthetic call thenselves perfects, the top of evolutions.

But if someone masterminded them the reapers would know they are not the pinnacle, right? And the reapers are not utterly synthetic as is shown in ME2 with the Reaper Larva.

Nature does not need a mastermind to continue. The reapers are unnatural, but the cycle of evolution isn't.

You need to remember that reaper itself is almost synthetic (Meaning vulnerable via any programing device while they were young), and i must recall that they are artificially created, not a so-natural-one.

[Skillz1986]

I posted this already, but it kind of got swept under the rug. It adresses the "why synthesis wit hugh ems" or "why destroy with low ems" questions. The way i see it is, with a low ems, the reapers just don't see the need to indoc you...they know you have no chance of winning this war even if you are fully aware of your actions. the basically do not give a flying ****. Increasing ems, equals increasing pants sh***ing for the reapers. they know..if they leave you fully conscious..you will lead you forces to victory...so they have to come up with more appealing "solutions" to break your will to fight. hope i managed to make clear what i'm talking about. not a native speaker..so here's hoping.

[FedericoV]

Honestly, I do not believe that the indoctrination theory is true. I mean, ME series never used unreliable narrators and anytime the devs wanted to say us something it was plain and easy to catch. I mean, the indoctrination theory is too smart for what we have seen so far in the series and the whole space magic/normandy sequence does not fit a lot with the idea of a psychological/mental struggle.

Having said all of that, you really did a great work and I hope that the devs will use the opportunity you gave them to rewrite the endings.

Modifié par FedericoV, 27 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[monrapias]

only the start of it is worth looking at for what I am about to talk about.

If bioware were telling the truth, then all those quotes are just more proof that the ending isn't really the ending.

Yes, it has been confirmed that we will get something in april, but will it give us what they promised?

I believe that these quotes are even more proof to the theory. atleast proof that they are planning something and have been planning this.

[LRBT]

Even if the writers didn't intend for IT to be the answer in the final release, it would be a perfect out for them. We know an indoctrination scene was in the works at some point, and seemingly for a long enough time for lots of foreshadowing to make it into the final game. BioWare has said before that the fans help write the series. This could be one last, huge contribution.

And as for why only the Destroy ending is available to players with low EMS, it seems to me that those of us who were around since ME1 wouldn't have low EMS. New or casual players would be most likely to have low EMS, and the indoctrination bit would most likely go over their heads anyway (it got a lot of us too if IT is true). This would be a good way to make ME3 another entry point to the series: casual players get the classic heroes' ending. I admit this explanation is a longshot, but it's possible.

Modifié par LRBT, 27 mars 2012 - 06:38 .