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n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Can someone give a link to those tweets?


https://twitter.com/...768608717643777

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waldstr18 wrote...

radio is easy explained. ear buds .. budds? buddy system? the things you put in your ear for communication.

another thing. i just got the star child treatment, walked back, and looking down, my sky box is broken down there. ooohh... and i can see the level corners where the skybox walls meet. quake 1 all over again.


The com receiver would've been burned by the beam.. there is absolutely no way it survived.

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waldstr18 wrote...

radio is easy explained. ear buds .. budds? buddy system? the things you put in your ear for communication.

another thing. i just got the star child treatment, walked back, and looking down, my sky box is broken down there. ooohh... and i can see the level corners where the skybox walls meet. quake 1 all over again.


Except every time prior to this that we see Shep using the ear bud radio, she puts her finger to her ear. She never does that after taking the beam up.

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spz123 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Can someone give a link to those tweets?


https://twitter.com/...768608717643777


There was another tweet someone posted too. Another question about the ending.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

spz123 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Can someone give a link to those tweets?


https://twitter.com/...768608717643777


There was another tweet someone posted too. Another question about the ending.


https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect

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I think i know why the game ended where it did. Mass effect is from the player and shepards perspective. Once you remove the Shepard from the players perspective, you remove the player from mass effect. Thus ending the game.

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Too many pages to go through and look for anyone talking about this but what has been said about Anderson's extra dialogue with Shepard() in terms of the IT, not showing hate just looking for answers, thanks!

(apparently, not confirmed, but if Shepard has no LI over the 3 games this is the conversation you have with him, again not confirmed)

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"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

spz123 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Can someone give a link to those tweets?


https://twitter.com/...768608717643777


There was another tweet someone posted too. Another question about the ending.


https://twitter.com/...787035196895234

The first one reveals more imo. The tone of the ME twitter has changed from just "More info in April" though.

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CaliGuy033 wrote...

"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.


Those damned fans, demanding what they were promised! How entitled!

Most unorthodox!

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waldstr18 wrote...

radio is easy explained. ear buds .. budds? buddy system? the things you put in your ear for communication.

another thing. i just got the star child treatment, walked back, and looking down, my sky box is broken down there. ooohh... and i can see the level corners where the skybox walls meet. quake 1 all over again.


If her armor was destroyed as bad as it was you really think that radios would work? Serious question.

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I just noticed this one too-

Kyle Conway ‏ @KyleWritesStuff

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@masseffect Please don't change the ending to Mass Effect 3. Just release what happens after I wake up from under the rubble. Great game! :) @masseffect

@kylewritesstuff We are releasing additional content, not changing what exists!

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done. actually seeing all this again, i dont find it that bad the second time around.

i have heard somewhere that there is cut dialog of joker picking the crew up and even if there isnt, didnt hacket say something like all forces retreat? but what i still dont like is the last few seconds of the soundtrack before the credits roll. digusting to let something end this way. the earth battle music is also not my cup of tea. yet i love the piano reaper theme, even though i think they ripped the loud and low baaaaaa sounds from inception.

also my favourite moment in the game.. when the kid dies to that music. unfortunately it comes back as a transparent game show master in the end.

hmm... i guess there will be an epiloge dlc in a few days. (no indoc theory acknowledgement, though.)

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I'm probably stretching way too much here, and I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but does the image you keep getting of Sanctuary on the shuttle monitor and the terminals throughout the facility seem to look a lot like the place you make your final choice?

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Again, I may be the only one who sees it, but it bugs me every time I do the Sanctuary level, so I figured I'd at least mention it.

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CaliGuy033 wrote...

"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.


There's very little gymnastics involved. And I certainly don't feel entitled. I'm barely a Bioware fan and did feel I got my $60 worth from the game. That said, I am totally convinced that the final 15 minutes were indeed an indoctrination attempt by the Reapers and the game ending how it did allowed us to really think about and participate in that mental battle.

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waldstr18 wrote...

done. actually seeing all this again, i dont find it that bad the second time around.

i have heard somewhere that there is cut dialog of joker picking the crew up and even if there isnt, didnt hacket say something like all forces retreat? but what i still dont like is the last few seconds of the soundtrack before the credits roll. digusting to let something end this way. the earth battle music is also not my cup of tea. yet i love the piano reaper theme, even though i think they ripped the loud and low baaaaaa sounds from inception.

also my favourite moment in the game.. when the kid dies to that music. unfortunately it comes back as a transparent game show master in the end.

hmm... i guess there will be an epiloge dlc in a few days. (no indoc theory acknowledgement, though.)


I think the loud low baa sounds are meant to imitate the reapers. What i bolded- pretty damn funny. PICK YOUR FAVORITE COLOR! and if you're lucky you might be under some rubble ^_^

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waldstr18 wrote...

done. actually seeing all this again, i dont find it that bad the second time around.

i have heard somewhere that there is cut dialog of joker picking the crew up and even if there isnt, didnt hacket say something like all forces retreat? but what i still dont like is the last few seconds of the soundtrack before the credits roll. digusting to let something end this way. the earth battle music is also not my cup of tea. yet i love the piano reaper theme, even though i think they ripped the loud and low baaaaaa sounds from inception.

also my favourite moment in the game.. when the kid dies to that music. unfortunately it comes back as a transparent game show master in the end.

hmm... i guess there will be an epiloge dlc in a few days. (no indoc theory acknowledgement, though.)


Do you mean the game or the Indoctrination Theory?

I can play the game perfectly fine up until about the last fifteen minutes. Playing my second playthrough and... I don't know. I have this icky feeling in my gut as I come closer to the ending. :( The only way I can stomach playing is the idea that there is more to the story than they have let on (IT) and this abrupt, random, space magic ending (:wizard:) is just a facade.

You're right. The emotional scene with the boy wrenched my heart the first time I saw it in the demo. It was only cheapened by him turning into some douchebag who kept invading my Shep's dreams and then turned out to be some mysterious spiritual **** who gave me three crap choices to end my favourite saga.

Ahh well. It's all been said before. :P

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byne wrote...

I'm probably stretching way too much here, and I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but does the image you keep getting of Sanctuary on the shuttle monitor and the terminals throughout the facility seem to look a lot like the place you make your final choice?

Pics for reference:

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Posted Image

Again, I may be the only one who sees it, but it bugs me every time I do the Sanctuary level, so I figured I'd at least mention it.


same symetrical properties. It looks close. Also in front of the conduit before you go through it and the final sequence with the boy.. if you compare the two.. they look very similar.

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CaliGuy033 wrote...

"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.


Why exactly are you here? Are you just upset that you're 30 years old and still live with your mom? or are you more upset that you didn't get the 50 hints left by the devs?

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"All forces retreat, fall back to the buildings"

Not.

"All forces, retreat, RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!"

Obligatory Monty Python reference.

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OH MY GOD.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.


Why exactly are you here? Are you just upset that you're 30 years old and still live with your mom? or are you more upset that you didn't get the 50 hints left by the devs?


just for you noobi, im gonna find religion and pray to my then new found god every day at least for an hour that the coming dlc disproves the idt.

and when i say religion, i mean one of the previsouly made up ones, not the one you are clearly following.

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waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.


Why exactly are you here? Are you just upset that you're 30 years old and still live with your mom? or are you more upset that you didn't get the 50 hints left by the devs?


just for you noobi, im gonna find religion and pray to my then new found god every day at least for an hour that the coming dlc disproves the idt.

and when i say religion, i mean one of the previsouly made up ones, not the one you are clearly following.


Seems pretty spiteful to take that out on the rest of the polite people just cause of him :P

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waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

"Indoctrination Theory" should be renamed "cognitive dissonance-induced mental gymnastics from entitled fans" theory.


Why exactly are you here? Are you just upset that you're 30 years old and still live with your mom? or are you more upset that you didn't get the 50 hints left by the devs?


just for you noobi, im gonna find religion and pray to my then new found god every day at least for an hour that the coming dlc disproves the idt.

and when i say religion, i mean one of the previsouly made up ones, not the one you are clearly following.


Settle down you three. Dont make me turn this thread around.

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You know it's sad to see so many of Mass Effect fans backlash at Bioware about the ending. People ask that we demand a better ending because we got screwed over the ending of ME3. Has your already know the IT theory is real to us and, Bioware, but the demanding fans are saying " then why do the Reapers just not kill Shepard while he /she is knocked out.

Well if they think for a moment, if they killed Shepard the rest of the Allies/crew mates/present, and former squad mates , would fight even harder to attempt to avenge Shepard's death. You also have to think if the Reapers control the galaxy's greatest hero, then all the hope Shepard's allies had would be gone, and one by one they will be torn apart about Shepard's slowly raped body decay until Shepard is just a husk, or synthetic if you chose Synthesis.